Do You Rely On Greta Thunberg?

[Frankeneinstein]

She has no record of scientific study.

Nor does she or anyone else need one...she is without doubt the leading mind on climate change within the movement...of that there can be no doubt

 

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[Dogmaphobe]

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Global Warming ... Or 42 if you follow the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe ... One or the other ...

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So long and thanks for all the fish!

 

[Crick]

Nor does she or anyone else need one...she is without doubt the leading mind on climate change within the movement...of that there can be no doubt

Of course she is. She knows way more than Michael Mann, Keven Trenberth, Tom Karl, Jeremy Shakun, Gavin Schmidt, Eric Ringot, Shaun Marcotte, Stefan Rahmstorf, Phil Jones, Keith Briffa or any of the rest.

 

[Crick]

When you have to lie about what someone has said, it kinda makes me think you don't really have a case to make.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Of course she is. She knows way more than Michael Mann, Keven Trenberth, Tom Karl, Jeremy Shakun, Gavin Schmidt, Eric Ringot, Shaun Marcotte, Stefan Rahmstorf, Phil Jones, Keith Briffa or any of the rest.

Are they all part of the climate change movement?

 

[Crick]

Are they all part of the climate change movement?

There is no movement. They are all well known climate scientists. You should read some of their studies.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

There is no movement.

try prunes

They are all well known climate scientists.

and yet I've only heard of greta

You should read some of their studies.

I got greta I don't need no stinkin studies

 

[Flash]

When you have to lie about what someone has said, it kinda makes me think you don't really have a case to make.

It is a damn meme you idiot. I know you Moon Bats can't meme so it is understandable you don't know what the hell it is all about

However, in this particular case that is the general mentality of most Environmental Wackos. This AGW bullshit is just a scam to redistribute wealth and fuck up the world's economy so that Socialism becomes more realistic.

It doesn't have a damn thing to do with science because there is no scientific basis for claiming man has altered the climate. Just shit in shit out computer models, fraudulent proxy data and cherry picked crap. That is why the AGW idiots have to lie (we catch them at it all the time) and why none of their dire predictions ever comes true.

 

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[Sunsettommy]

Fossil Fuel Accountability

Oil, gas, and coal companies share an outsized responsibility for the climate crisis.

www.ucsusa.org

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

Climate Misinformation on Social Media Is Undermining Climate Action

At their worst, social platforms are ideological echo chambers where misinformation can’t be set straight. To fossil fuel interests, that sounds perfect....

www.nrdc.org

Climate Disinformation Campaigns Threaten COP27 Progress, a New Report Concludes - Inside Climate News

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt—The slow pace of global climate talks is once again on display at COP27 this week and can be partially explained by a renewed blitz of climate disinformation, according to watchdog groups that analyze media ecosystems. On Tuesday, the Climate Action Against Disinformation...

insideclimatenews.org

Oil companies discourage climate action, study says

Harvard researchers have turned a spotlight on the sometimes subtle, yet effective, strategies employed by oil companies to foster doubt and delay action on climate change.

news.harvard.edu

Big Oil has engaged in a long-running climate disinformation campaign while raking in record profits, lawmakers find | CNN Politics

Big Oil companies have engaged in a "long-running greenwashing campaign" while raking in "record profits at the expense of American consumers," the House Oversight committee has found after a months-long investigation.

www.cnn.com

The forgotten oil ads that told us climate change was nothing

Since the 1980s, fossil fuel firms have run ads touting climate denial messages – many of which they’d now like us to forget. Here’s our visual guide

www.theguardian.com

First link is false as they claim there is a climate crisis which has been refuted many times here is one an article that easily destroys that lie:

Where is the Climate Emergency? LINK You ignored it repeatedly

Union of Concerned Scientists article do I have to explain why they are a known purveyor of lies and disinformation?

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The NPR article is hilarious since Oil companies didn't suppress anything and they didn't lobby congress either, the very first paragraph you didn't read:

In April, President Biden unveiled the United States' most ambitious plan ever to cut emissions that drive climate change, and he urged other nations to follow. Now, days before Biden prepares for a pivotal climate summit in Glasgow, Scotland, the White House's keystone legislative plan to tackle climate disruption appears to be dead, sunk by West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin.

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Climate disruption is a bogus phrase and climate crisis is a lie as there is no such pattern evolving.

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The last 4 article are lies and disinformation which were easily addressed in Billy_Bob's post 111 you slid over because you can't counter any of it.

Full sample from first link you never read:

What did ExxonMobil Know and when did they know it? (Part 1)​

7 years ago

David Middleton

Guest post by David Middleton

Maybe ExxonMobil should file a RICO lawsuit against the “Shukla 20”, Inside Climate, the LA Times and this gentleman…

Exxon Knew Everything There Was to Know About Climate Change by the Mid-1980s—and Denied It.

And thanks to their willingness to sucker the world, the world is now a chaotic mess.

By Bill McKibben YESTERDAY 12:13 PM
A few weeks before the last great international climate conference—2009, in Copenhagen—the e-mail accounts of a few climate scientists were hacked and reviewed for incriminating evidence suggesting that global warming was a charade. Eight separate investigations later concluded that there was literally nothing to “Climategate,” save a few sentences taken completely out of context—but by that time, endless, breathless media accounts about the “scandal” had damaged the prospects for any progress at the conference.

Now, on the eve of the next global gathering in Paris this December, there’s a new scandal. But this one doesn’t come from an anonymous hacker taking a few sentences out of context. This one comes from months of careful reporting by two separate teams, one at the Pulitzer Prize–winning website Inside Climate News, and other at the Los Angeles Times (with an assist from the Columbia Journalism School). Following separate lines of evidence and document trails, they’ve reached the same bombshell conclusion: ExxonMobil, the world’s largest and most powerful oil company, knew everything there was to know about climate change by the mid-1980s, and then spent the next few decades systematically funding climate denial and lying about the state of the science.
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http://www.thenation.com/article/exx…and-denied-it/

These folks are so desperate to create a tobacco company analogy that they really must thing that the ends do justify the means.

After a cursory review of “the Pulitzer Prize–winning website Inside Climate News” and part one of their “bombshell conclusion,” I can safely conclude that Exxon didn’t know anything that wasn’t already known, published and available to the public.

Part 1: “Exxon’s Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels’ Role in Global Warming Decades Ago“

At a meeting in Exxon Corporation’s headquarters, a senior company scientist named James F. Black addressed an audience of powerful oilmen. Speaking without a text as he flipped through detailed slides, Black delivered a sobering message: carbon dioxide from the world’s use of fossil fuels would warm the planet and could eventually endanger humanity.
“In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels,” Black told Exxon’s Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.
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Exxon’s research laid the groundwork for a 1982 corporate primer on carbon dioxide and climate change prepared by its environmental affairs office. Marked “not to be distributed externally,” it contained information that “has been given wide circulation to Exxon management.” In it, the company recognized, despite the many lingering unknowns, that heading off global warming “would require major reductions in fossil fuel combustion.”
Unless that happened, “there are some potentially catastrophic events that must be considered,” the primer said, citing independent experts. “Once the effects are measurable, they might not be reversible.”
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The “1982 corporate primer” was sourced from publicly available materials from Arrhenius (1896) to Ehrlich & Holdren (1977) to Wang, Yung, Lacis & Hansen (1976). It appears that Exxon relied heavily on a National Research Council publication for this primer, Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific Assessment (1979).

The closest thing to a “smoking gun” that I could find was figure 3 on page 7 of the corporate primer. It is sort of a climate model… It’s a cartoon derived from the NRC publication…
Figure 1: Exxon’s 1982 “climate model.”

Out of curiosity, I plotted the Mauna Loa CO2 and HadCRUT4 temperature data at the same scale and overlaid it on Exxon’s “climate model”…
Figure 2: Exxon was just as wrong as Hansen!!!

Way back in 1982, Exxon knew what Hansen knew. They knew that CO2 would cause nearly twice as much warming as would actually transpire over the subsequent 30 years.

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This is why you are so profoundly ignorant and stupid on this because you have a bad habit of ignoring or making excuses for not addressing it.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

When you have to lie about what someone has said, it kinda makes me think you don't really have a case to make.

That isn't her saying anything, that is a definition of climate change and the person who personifies it.

 

[Crick]

First link is false as they claim there is a climate crisis which has been refuted many times here is one an article that easily destroys that lie:

AGW is as close to a fact as a scientific theory can get.

SNIP

This is why you are so profoundly ignorant and stupid on this because you have a bad habit of ignoring or making excuses for not addressing it.

If you actually believe that, watch this video

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/1012138741/exxon-lobbyist-caught-on-video-talks-about-undermining-bidens-climate-push

He talked about working with "shadow groups," supporting a carbon tax that he believes will never happen and influencing senators to weaken climate elements of President Biden's infrastructure plan.

"Joe Manchin, I talk to his office every week," McCoy bragged to the interviewer. He called the Democratic senator from West Virginia a "kingmaker" and discussed how "on the Democrat side we look for the moderates on these issues" in their efforts to stop policies that could hurt the company's business.

 

[miketx]

She's a mutant alright.
Just another clone off the ole Hitler DNA sample.


Psycho bitch needs to be put down like the extreme danger to society she is.


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[Crick]

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You people are incredible. Incredibly pathetic.

 

[Sunsettommy]

AGW is as close to a fact as a scientific theory can get.

SNIP


If you actually believe that, watch this video

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/1012138741/exxon-lobbyist-caught-on-video-talks-about-undermining-bidens-climate-push

He talked about working with "shadow groups," supporting a carbon tax that he believes will never happen and influencing senators to weaken climate elements of President Biden's infrastructure plan.

"Joe Manchin, I talk to his office every week," McCoy bragged to the interviewer. He called the Democratic senator from West Virginia a "kingmaker" and discussed how "on the Democrat side we look for the moderates on these issues" in their efforts to stop policies that could hurt the company's business.

No AGW is a failure as the predicted Hot spot and Positive feedback loop never showed up after 30 years!



Then you were shown that the RATE of warming has been in decline since 1994 which you completely ignored here it is AGAIN:

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Good 2022 Climate News the MSM didn’t tell you​

"To analyze the evolution of the warming rate, we subtract from each monthly data the previous one to calculate the monthly increase. We then deseasonalize the monthly increase by finding the 12-month moving average to remove a lot of the noise. Finally, we calculate the 15-year average warming rate in °C/decade by calculating the 180-month moving average and multiplying the resulting data by 120.

Figure 2. Evolution of the warming rate for 15-year periods between 1979 and 2022 in °C/decade and its linear trend, from monthly UAH 6.0 satellite temperature data.

Each point on the curve in Figure 2 is the warming rate for the 15 years before that month. The Pause shows up prominently as the only period with a negative rate. For the current cooling period to appear on that graph with a negative rate would require the global temperature to remain below the 2016 level at the end of 2030.

But the good news that no one is telling us is that global warming is slowing down. The 15-year rate was very high from the mid-1980s to the late 1990s, reaching 0.35 °C/decade. The average over the entire period of satellite records is 1.3 °C per century or 0.13 °C/decade, but the long-term trend has fallen from 1.6 °C/century to 1 °C/century today. The current cooling period is contributing to this decline in the long-term warming rate.

This good news is not told to us, firstly, because it has been achieved without doing anything to reduce our global CO2 emissions, which calls into question the peremptory need to make a major effort to reduce them.

Second, we are not told this “good” news because the reduction in the rate of warming has taken place while rate of increase of atmospheric CO2 is accelerating, as shown in Figure 3. The data from NOAA has already been deseasonalized, so we skipped this step. We follow the same process for the same period (1979-2022) as for the graph in Figure 2.

Figure 3. Evolution of the CO2 rate of increase for 15-year periods between 1979 and 2022 in ppm/decade and its linear trend, from deseasonalized monthly CO2 NOAA data.

The problem with the theory of anthropogenic warming is that while the rate of warming is slowing down, the rate of change of atmospheric CO2 is steadily increasing, and in the same period it has gone from growing 14 parts per million (ppm) per decade to 23.5 ppm/decade. In other words, its growth rate has almost doubled."

LINK

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You are so unaware of the declines, and you have allowed their lies fill you up with is why you are so poor in your counterpoints because you are fighting reality 24/7.

 

[BlackSand]

You people are incredible. Incredibly pathetic.

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I am pretty sure that is what they have been saying about Greta ... And a few other people ...
I mean that is the Topic.

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[Sunsettommy]

AGW is as close to a fact as a scientific theory can get.

SNIP


If you actually believe that, watch this video

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/1012138741/exxon-lobbyist-caught-on-video-talks-about-undermining-bidens-climate-push

He talked about working with "shadow groups," supporting a carbon tax that he believes will never happen and influencing senators to weaken climate elements of President Biden's infrastructure plan.

"Joe Manchin, I talk to his office every week," McCoy bragged to the interviewer. He called the Democratic senator from West Virginia a "kingmaker" and discussed how "on the Democrat side we look for the moderates on these issues" in their efforts to stop policies that could hurt the company's business.

LOL you are so snookered because Manchin is a DEMOCRAT who didn't want his state energy sector to suffer from the bogus climate disruption/crisis bullshit which is why he went against it.

 

[miketx]

You people are incredible. Incredibly pathetic.

Stop spewing your make believe bullshit.