Do You Believe We Came From Monkeys?

[Sbiker]

The difference is that I don't present my theory as anything but theory, and my belief.

And yet there are other people who hold the same theory and belief as you, who presents it as TRUTH and FACT.

I hope you take the time to call them out.

Truth and fact are not the same as "proven". Do you not understand these terms, xo?

Things can be true, and factual, before they are actually PROVEN. For example, it is true and factual that gravity exists. It was true and factual before it was proven. It is true and factual that the earth is, indeed, a sphere as stated in the bible. It was true and factual even when the *scientists* were insisting that the earth was flat, and before it was *proven* that the earth is round.

It is true and factual that God created man and is responsible for every thing in the world..including science. It is not proven. See, it doesn't have to be proven for it to be true.

Yes. It is true that God created the world is a theory. And it is a fact that God created the world is a theory.

It's also a fact that God created the world.

Unproven, of course. But just because it's unproven doesn't make it untrue.

It's unproven that you are a butt picking finger sniffer, for example. But everybody knows it's true.

It's not a fact that a god created the universe. That's what religions want you to believe so you put money in the hat as they pass it around.

The biggest mistake, I see last times everywhere - to consider science, as source of indisputable knowledges.
Most of current PhD in world - do they still remember phylosophic substantination of modern science? Do they still know, modern science is speculative as fact. There are no "true" and "false" concepts in theory, only "useful" and "useless". The main function of theory - to predict facts. The main prove of theories - practice and life.

"Does the God created humankind" - a question, doesn't have any meaning for science. "How the humankind were created" - more scientific question. Science reject God in current model only by Okkam principle, because it's no significant for practice.

 

[sealybobo]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

Now I've seen it all - easily the most ignorant poster here just said that god used science to create Adam and Eve.

Hey koshergrl Please post the bible passage that describes the scientific process!

BTW, does it matter that god started with Adam and Eve? Didn't he come back later and, in a temper tantrum, drown every human being on the planet? Then, didn't he leave it some drunk and his very suspicious family relationships to repopulate?

This isn't science?

Question: "Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?"

Answer: Genesis 2:18–24 tells the well-known account of how God created the first woman by removing a “rib” from Adam’s body and fashioning it into the woman. The creation account clearly indicates that God used Adam’s rib to create Eve instead of making her from the dust of the ground as He had done for Adam.

God apparently had formed male and female animals separately, but the female human was originally part of man—Adam said, “She shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man” (Genesis 2:23).

Apparently, men had 13 ribs on one side and 12 on the other. God saw that he fucked up, so he ripped the extra rib out of the man and built a woman around it using various meat scraps and bone fragments from the corner of the cave.

Cool story, bro.

What I love is when half ass theists who believe in evolution (finally) never argue with the irrational ones who de y evolution. They don't try and educate them because deep down they know everyone has their own personal definition of what god is.

I like it that very few are creation nuts

 

[koshergrl]

The difference is that I don't present my theory as anything but theory, and my belief.

And yet there are other people who hold the same theory and belief as you, who presents it as TRUTH and FACT.

I hope you take the time to call them out.

Truth and fact are not the same as "proven". Do you not understand these terms, xo?

Things can be true, and factual, before they are actually PROVEN. For example, it is true and factual that gravity exists. It was true and factual before it was proven. It is true and factual that the earth is, indeed, a sphere as stated in the bible. It was true and factual even when the *scientists* were insisting that the earth was flat, and before it was *proven* that the earth is round.

It is true and factual that God created man and is responsible for every thing in the world..including science. It is not proven. See, it doesn't have to be proven for it to be true.

Yes. It is true that God created the world is a theory. And it is a fact that God created the world is a theory.

It's also a fact that God created the world.

Unproven, of course. But just because it's unproven doesn't make it untrue.

It's unproven that you are a butt picking finger sniffer, for example. But everybody knows it's true.

It's also a fact that you want my cock. And if you say, no, you are only proving that you are a liar.

See you DON'T know what "proven" means. I knew it!
And that IS a PROVEN FACT.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So-called "virgin birth" (parthenogenesis) does take place in nature but can result ONLY in a female offspring.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

Now I've seen it all - easily the most ignorant poster here just said that god used science to create Adam and Eve.

Hey koshergrl Please post the bible passage that describes the scientific process!

BTW, does it matter that god started with Adam and Eve? Didn't he come back later and, in a temper tantrum, drown every human being on the planet? Then, didn't he leave it some drunk and his very suspicious family relationships to repopulate?

This isn't science?

Question: "Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?"

Answer: Genesis 2:18–24 tells the well-known account of how God created the first woman by removing a “rib” from Adam’s body and fashioning it into the woman. The creation account clearly indicates that God used Adam’s rib to create Eve instead of making her from the dust of the ground as He had done for Adam.

God apparently had formed male and female animals separately, but the female human was originally part of man—Adam said, “She shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man” (Genesis 2:23).

Apparently, men had 13 ribs on one side and 12 on the other. God saw that he fucked up, so he ripped the extra rib out of the man and built a woman around it using various meat scraps and bone fragments from the corner of the cave.

Cool story, bro.

Why didn't he fix the mistake he made with penises? That way, people wouldn't have be chopping away at little baby boys.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

Now I've seen it all - easily the most ignorant poster here just said that god used science to create Adam and Eve.

Hey koshergrl Please post the bible passage that describes the scientific process!

BTW, does it matter that god started with Adam and Eve? Didn't he come back later and, in a temper tantrum, drown every human being on the planet? Then, didn't he leave it some drunk and his very suspicious family relationships to repopulate?

This isn't science?

Question: "Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?"

Answer: Genesis 2:18–24 tells the well-known account of how God created the first woman by removing a “rib” from Adam’s body and fashioning it into the woman. The creation account clearly indicates that God used Adam’s rib to create Eve instead of making her from the dust of the ground as He had done for Adam.

God apparently had formed male and female animals separately, but the female human was originally part of man—Adam said, “She shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man” (Genesis 2:23).

According to the fake Jewess, it is.

However, she's wrong and she knows it. That's why she hasn't answered me.

koshergrl - You're an idiot to believe myths and superstitions but you're more than welcome to. Just don't pretend its "science".

 

[Old Rocks]

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Therefore, there is just as much chance that I am correct than that you are correct...even though my unproven theory does have some evidence to lend it credibility.

The difference is that I don't present my theory as anything but theory, and my belief.

And yet there are other people who hold the same theory and belief as you, who presents it as TRUTH and FACT.

I hope you take the time to call them out.

Truth and fact are not the same as "proven". Do you not understand these terms, xo?

Things can be true, and factual, before they are actually PROVEN. For example, it is true and factual that gravity exists. It was true and factual before it was proven. It is true and factual that the earth is, indeed, a sphere as stated in the bible. It was true and factual even when the *scientists* were insisting that the earth was flat, and before it was *proven* that the earth is round.

It is true and factual that God created man and is responsible for every thing in the world..including science. It is not proven. See, it doesn't have to be proven for it to be true.

No, dumb ass, it was the church that insisted that the Earth was flat. The earliest natural philosophers proved the earth round, and measured its circumference in 240 BC.

Eratosthenes' Calculation of Earth's Circumference

The same dumb ass church that persecuted Galileo for pointing out the Earth orbited the sun.

As for your belief concerning a Deity and the creation of man, that is your belief. Obviously, from physical evidence, it is a false belief. If you were to say that you Deity created the universe in such a way that it would bring forth life, no one could fault you on that, for the birth of the universe, or the cause of the birth is presently a mystery even to science. Of course, if you say that, then you become a Dieist, like the founders of our nation.

 

[ChrisL]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

I do certainly believe the stories in the Bible are parables. I'm quite sure many of the events never really took place.

 

[ChrisL]

The great apes (gorillae, oranguans, chimpanzees) and humans evolved from a predecessor ape at some point in the distant past. That predecessor ape is extinct.

I always think of the concept of evolution of animals as similar to the evolution of languages. Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese all originally came from a predecessor language: Latin. Latin is extinct. The other descendant languages are similar in many ways, but distinctly different.

cute theory.
unproven, however.

So is the idea that god waved his hand and fully grown animals appeared. Do you see why we have a problem with this? The idea that the first giraffe and elephant and zebra were fully grown adults is ridiculous but that's what you believe isn't it?



Lets say these were the first animals on the planet. Are you suggesting that they were never born from a mother and they were never babies?

I see a real problem with fitting two of every animal onto a boat!

 

[LTCArmyRet]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

For a man, yes, for God, no

 

[LTCArmyRet]

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

Sure it's possible. So why do Christians have such a problem with evolution?

We know that even if evolution is proven as a fact you will still deny it and just move the goal post. This is called god of the gaps.

7 Things That Show That Evolution Is An Actual Fact

They don't......you are just selling it as the WHOLE story, when it is a very small part of the story.

BS

Throughout much of the 20th century, opponents of evolution (many of them theologically conservative Christians) either tried to eliminate the teaching of Darwin’s theory from public school science curricula or urged science instructors also to teach a version of the creation story found in the biblical book of Genesis. The famous 1925 Scopes “monkey” trial, for instance, involved a Tennessee law prohibiting the teaching of evolution in the state’s schools. (See The Social and Legal Dimensions of the Evolution Debate in the U.S.)

But beginning in the 1960s, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a number of decisions that imposed severe restrictions on those state governments that opposed the teaching of evolution. As a result of these rulings, school boards, legislatures and government bodies are now barred from prohibiting the teaching of evolution. Teaching creation science, either along with evolutionary theory or in place of it, is also banned.

Partly in response to these court decisions, opposition to teaching evolution has itself evolved, with opponents changing their goals and tactics. In the last decade, some local and state school boards in Kansas, Pennsylvania and elsewhere have considered teaching what they contend are scientific alternatives to evolution – notably the concept of intelligent design, which posits that life is too complex to have developed without the intervention of an outside, possibly divine force. Other education officials have tried to require schools to teach critiques of evolution or to mandate that students listen to or read evolution disclaimers, such as one proposed a number of years ago in Cobb County, Ga. It read, in part, that evolution is “a theory, not a fact [and] … should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.” The Cobb County disclaimer and a number of other efforts have been withdrawn following successful court challenges by proponents of teaching evolution.(See Fighting Over Darwin, State by State.)

These debates are just as prevalent in the court of public opinion as they are in the courtroom. A spring 2013 Pew Research Center survey finds that six-in-ten Americans say humans and other living things evolved over time, including 32% who say that life evolved through natural processes like natural selection and 24% who say a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today. A third of Americans (33%) say that humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.

BS

You can quote all the "survey" data you want, doesn't mean anything. A decision that dictates a certain curriculum doesn't mean the curriculum is correct, it is simply the chosen curriculum.

www.newsweek.com/pope-franciss-remarks-evolution...catholics-281115

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Yes , wrong. Yes, God made them, God makes everything you dope, even your sorry ass.

What's wrong? You don't just get to say wrong without explaining how I'm wrong. That only tells me I'm actually right but me putting it the way I did embarrassed your stupid little ass.

Are you telling me the first pigs had parents? Then they weren't the first. How did pigs get on this planet?

See friend I'm trying to help you walk it through in your brain. Maybe you haven't logically thought it through. This is why evolution is the truth. No god had to come and wave his hand and magically all the diverse animals were here.

Is Earth Undergoing a 6th Mass Extinction? --"99.9% of all Past Species Extinct"

This means 99% of the animals god made are extinct today.

Yes, wrong. I can say your wrong without explaining, see?

I'm not going to start over from square one with some newby joining the discussion. But at least you are the first in days to proudly admit that you believe a god waved his hand and produced all the animals on earth. Most people don't have the courage to proclaim such ignorance.

But you know what? How can I argue with that. If you are willing to throw out all logic and science and believe such nonsense really what can I say? Nothing. God bless.

Ignorance in your eyes only, I believe I did ask a question much earlier in this thread which no one has even attempted to reply to.....................Evolution and God can exist together, do you know how long a day is to GOD?

Since the universe is 14 billion years old and they say god created everything in 7 days I'd say 1 day to god is 2 billion years.

If evolution is accepted in Christianity will you please tell Christians because they don't seem to know this.

You know, there is a lot of assumptions made when generalizing a large group of anything, and you are assuming a lot about all Christians with your statement. You know what happens when you assume?

 

[koshergrl]

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

Now I've seen it all - easily the most ignorant poster here just said that god used science to create Adam and Eve.

Hey koshergrl Please post the bible passage that describes the scientific process!

BTW, does it matter that god started with Adam and Eve? Didn't he come back later and, in a temper tantrum, drown every human being on the planet? Then, didn't he leave it some drunk and his very suspicious family relationships to repopulate?

This isn't science?

Question: "Why did God use Adam's rib to create Eve?"

Answer: Genesis 2:18–24 tells the well-known account of how God created the first woman by removing a “rib” from Adam’s body and fashioning it into the woman. The creation account clearly indicates that God used Adam’s rib to create Eve instead of making her from the dust of the ground as He had done for Adam.

God apparently had formed male and female animals separately, but the female human was originally part of man—Adam said, “She shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man” (Genesis 2:23).

Apparently, men had 13 ribs on one side and 12 on the other. God saw that he fucked up, so he ripped the extra rib out of the man and built a woman around it using various meat scraps and bone fragments from the corner of the cave.

Cool story, bro.

Why didn't he fix the mistake he made with penises? That way, people wouldn't have be chopping away at little baby boys.

you obsess over that way too much. Get over it weirdo.

 

[sealybobo]

What's wrong? You don't just get to say wrong without explaining how I'm wrong. That only tells me I'm actually right but me putting it the way I did embarrassed your stupid little ass.

Are you telling me the first pigs had parents? Then they weren't the first. How did pigs get on this planet?

See friend I'm trying to help you walk it through in your brain. Maybe you haven't logically thought it through. This is why evolution is the truth. No god had to come and wave his hand and magically all the diverse animals were here.

Is Earth Undergoing a 6th Mass Extinction? --"99.9% of all Past Species Extinct"

This means 99% of the animals god made are extinct today.

Yes, wrong. I can say your wrong without explaining, see?

I'm not going to start over from square one with some newby joining the discussion. But at least you are the first in days to proudly admit that you believe a god waved his hand and produced all the animals on earth. Most people don't have the courage to proclaim such ignorance.

But you know what? How can I argue with that. If you are willing to throw out all logic and science and believe such nonsense really what can I say? Nothing. God bless.

Ignorance in your eyes only, I believe I did ask a question much earlier in this thread which no one has even attempted to reply to.....................Evolution and God can exist together, do you know how long a day is to GOD?

Since the universe is 14 billion years old and they say god created everything in 7 days I'd say 1 day to god is 2 billion years.

If evolution is accepted in Christianity will you please tell Christians because they don't seem to know this.

You know, there is a lot of assumptions made when generalizing a large group of anything, and you are assuming a lot about all Christians with your statement. You know what happens when you assume?

Of course we assume. For example, we assume all Christians believe only Christians go to heaven. Some if not most of you think all non christians are going to hell. Why wouldn't we assume this? We hear it says it right in the bible. Jesus said I'm the only way. Only though me can you enter the kingdom of heaven. Does the bible say anything about hell? So then why do so many Christians tell us if we aren't saved we will burn for all eternity?

And really it doesn't matter what you personally believe. We know all christians are cherry pickers. Like snowflakes, no two are the same. But go talk to your preacher and push him on it and he will tell you that Christianity says only christians go to heaven and/or non christians go to hell. There is no mention of a 3rd option, is there? So I guess my point is that if you don't believe what Christianity says, then why call yourself a Christian?

 

[sealybobo]

For example, Jesus warned that the wicked inhabitants of Capernaum (who had rejected his teaching) would go down into Hades (Mt. 11:23; Lk. 10:15). When the cold-hearted rich man died, his spirit was found in Hades, a place of torment and anguish (Lk. 16:23-24).

 

[sealybobo]

The apostle Peter wrote that:

“God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment . . .” (2 Pet. 2:4).

• Matt. 5:22, "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
• Matt. 5:29, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell."

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Yes, wrong. I can say your wrong without explaining, see?

I'm not going to start over from square one with some newby joining the discussion. But at least you are the first in days to proudly admit that you believe a god waved his hand and produced all the animals on earth. Most people don't have the courage to proclaim such ignorance.

But you know what? How can I argue with that. If you are willing to throw out all logic and science and believe such nonsense really what can I say? Nothing. God bless.

Ignorance in your eyes only, I believe I did ask a question much earlier in this thread which no one has even attempted to reply to.....................Evolution and God can exist together, do you know how long a day is to GOD?

Since the universe is 14 billion years old and they say god created everything in 7 days I'd say 1 day to god is 2 billion years.

If evolution is accepted in Christianity will you please tell Christians because they don't seem to know this.

You know, there is a lot of assumptions made when generalizing a large group of anything, and you are assuming a lot about all Christians with your statement. You know what happens when you assume?

Of course we assume. For example, we assume all Christians believe only Christians go to heaven. Some if not most of you think all non christians are going to hell. Why wouldn't we assume this? We hear it says it right in the bible. Jesus said I'm the only way. Only though me can you enter the kingdom of heaven. Does the bible say anything about hell? So then why do so many Christians tell us if we aren't saved we will burn for all eternity?

And really it doesn't matter what you personally believe. We know all christians are cherry pickers. Like snowflakes, no two are the same. But go talk to your preacher and push him on it and he will tell you that Christianity says only christians go to heaven and/or non christians go to hell. There is no mention of a 3rd option, is there? So I guess my point is that if you don't believe what Christianity says, then why call yourself a Christian?

Nice deflection, and your prejudice is showing. All Christians don't believe that only Christians will go to heaven.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

The apostle Peter wrote that:

“God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment . . .” (2 Pet. 2:4).

• Matt. 5:22, "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
• Matt. 5:29, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell."

Now who is being the cherry picker?

 

[xotoxi]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

For a man, yes, for God, no

More silly talk.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

For a man, yes, for God, no

More silly talk.

Only in your mind.