Do You Believe We Came From Monkeys?

[Votto]

I know there are similarities but I think they are coincidental, like cats and seals both have whiskers. But cats didn't come from seals or vice a versa.

We came from monkeys?

Nope, monkeys are not as dictatorial and cruel and power hungry.

I demand an apology for all monkeys

 

[Votto]

Finish the damned chart!

 

[xotoxi]

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

For a man, yes, for God, no

More silly talk.

Only in your mind.

...which is well grounded in reality.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm not going to start over from square one with some newby joining the discussion. But at least you are the first in days to proudly admit that you believe a god waved his hand and produced all the animals on earth. Most people don't have the courage to proclaim such ignorance.

But you know what? How can I argue with that. If you are willing to throw out all logic and science and believe such nonsense really what can I say? Nothing. God bless.

Ignorance in your eyes only, I believe I did ask a question much earlier in this thread which no one has even attempted to reply to.....................Evolution and God can exist together, do you know how long a day is to GOD?

Since the universe is 14 billion years old and they say god created everything in 7 days I'd say 1 day to god is 2 billion years.

If evolution is accepted in Christianity will you please tell Christians because they don't seem to know this.

You know, there is a lot of assumptions made when generalizing a large group of anything, and you are assuming a lot about all Christians with your statement. You know what happens when you assume?

Of course we assume. For example, we assume all Christians believe only Christians go to heaven. Some if not most of you think all non christians are going to hell. Why wouldn't we assume this? We hear it says it right in the bible. Jesus said I'm the only way. Only though me can you enter the kingdom of heaven. Does the bible say anything about hell? So then why do so many Christians tell us if we aren't saved we will burn for all eternity?

And really it doesn't matter what you personally believe. We know all christians are cherry pickers. Like snowflakes, no two are the same. But go talk to your preacher and push him on it and he will tell you that Christianity says only christians go to heaven and/or non christians go to hell. There is no mention of a 3rd option, is there? So I guess my point is that if you don't believe what Christianity says, then why call yourself a Christian?

Nice deflection, and your prejudice is showing. All Christians don't believe that only Christians will go to heaven.

Then you aren't really a christian then are you? How can you call yourself a christian when you pick and choose what you believe?

Classical evangelical doctrine holds that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ, and that those without such faith will be condemned to hell. A number of texts are typically cited in support of this position.

In John 14:6 Jesus declares, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me."

In Acts 4:12 Peter proclaims, "Salvation is found in no–one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among mortals by which we must be saved."

For Paul, the faithful will enjoy eternal life, but those who don’t know Christ will "be punished with everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9).

See, like me you don't like what you are hearing. The only difference between you and me is that I was smart and brave enough to realize if I don't believe then I shouldn't be calling myself a christian.

Similar to christians telling gays they are going to hell. If I don't believe that then I'm not really a christian.

Within the last decade, the Christian opinion on homosexuality has gone through a drastic about face as many Christians have changed their minds regarding their beliefs about gender, marriage, and romantic love. Claiming that homosexuality is anything other than an acceptable lifestyle that’s approved by God is now seen by many to be unloving, judgmental, and hateful.

I'm sorry but your church doesn't get to change with the times. If it's outdated and obsolete and wrong then it isn't authentic. It's simply man made rules from a long time ago.

 

[sealybobo]

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

For a man, yes, for God, no

More silly talk.

Only in your mind.

...which is well grounded in reality.

The motivation for belief in a divine, salvational Jesus breaks down when you accept evolution:

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

Sure it's possible. So why do Christians have such a problem with evolution?

We know that even if evolution is proven as a fact you will still deny it and just move the goal post. This is called god of the gaps.

7 Things That Show That Evolution Is An Actual Fact

They don't......you are just selling it as the WHOLE story, when it is a very small part of the story.

BS

Throughout much of the 20th century, opponents of evolution (many of them theologically conservative Christians) either tried to eliminate the teaching of Darwin’s theory from public school science curricula or urged science instructors also to teach a version of the creation story found in the biblical book of Genesis. The famous 1925 Scopes “monkey” trial, for instance, involved a Tennessee law prohibiting the teaching of evolution in the state’s schools. (See The Social and Legal Dimensions of the Evolution Debate in the U.S.)

But beginning in the 1960s, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a number of decisions that imposed severe restrictions on those state governments that opposed the teaching of evolution. As a result of these rulings, school boards, legislatures and government bodies are now barred from prohibiting the teaching of evolution. Teaching creation science, either along with evolutionary theory or in place of it, is also banned.

Partly in response to these court decisions, opposition to teaching evolution has itself evolved, with opponents changing their goals and tactics. In the last decade, some local and state school boards in Kansas, Pennsylvania and elsewhere have considered teaching what they contend are scientific alternatives to evolution – notably the concept of intelligent design, which posits that life is too complex to have developed without the intervention of an outside, possibly divine force. Other education officials have tried to require schools to teach critiques of evolution or to mandate that students listen to or read evolution disclaimers, such as one proposed a number of years ago in Cobb County, Ga. It read, in part, that evolution is “a theory, not a fact [and] … should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.” The Cobb County disclaimer and a number of other efforts have been withdrawn following successful court challenges by proponents of teaching evolution.(See Fighting Over Darwin, State by State.)

These debates are just as prevalent in the court of public opinion as they are in the courtroom. A spring 2013 Pew Research Center survey finds that six-in-ten Americans say humans and other living things evolved over time, including 32% who say that life evolved through natural processes like natural selection and 24% who say a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today. A third of Americans (33%) say that humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.

BS

You can quote all the "survey" data you want, doesn't mean anything. A decision that dictates a certain curriculum doesn't mean the curriculum is correct, it is simply the chosen curriculum.

www.newsweek.com/pope-franciss-remarks-evolution...catholics-281115

The Tree of Life is a way to organize or "classify" all life. By placing living beings in different branches, we can understand how closely or distantly related they are.

The base of the tree of life is divided into three main domains: Archaea, Bacteria and Eukaryota

Bacteria: unicellular organisms with no nucleus (prokaryotes). Previously, they were classified in the kingdom Monera. They are the oldest of organisms (3500 million years). There are bacteria that synthesize their own food from carbon dioxide, such as cyanobacteria, green sulfur bacteria and some purple bacteria. Others use nitrogen or sulfur.

Archaea: unicellular organisms that, like bacteria, have no nucleus (prokaryotes, blue-green algae). Previously, they were included in the kingdom Monera, along with bacteria; however, recent studies show differences with bacteria and similarities with the eukaryota domain. They differ from bacteria in the composition of their cell wall and in some of their organelles and genetic processes.

Eukaryota: organisms which have a cell nucleus. Includes protozoa, unicellular algae, fungi, plants and animals, originally composed of four different realms
(Protista, Fungi, Plantae, and Animalia).

Domains are divided into kingdoms, and thereafter into phyla (singular phylum), class, order, family, genus and species. In plants and fungi, the phyla category has the name “division”. Examples of phyla are: Molluscs (snails, clams, and octopuses), Echinoderms (starfish and urchins) and Arthropods (insects, spiders, and crabs). Examples of divisions are the: Bryophyta (mosses), pteridophyta (ferns), Magnoliophyta (flowering plants).

I could keep going but I won't. The point is, we know evolution is real. We know so much that yes, evolution is a scientific fact. We are all related. Go back far enough and you and a skunk have a common ancestor. Does that make you uncomfortable?

When you say evolution is a fact it tells me you don't have all the information to make an intelligent decision. Because if you knew all the evidence for evolution and still denied it then you'd just be a ******* moron. Chances are though you are a brainwashed theist who just doesn't realize how much overwhelming evidence there is for evolution. And I'm not talking to just you. I'm talking to all of you who think you are smart and at the same time do something so stupid as to deny a scientific fact because it offends your god story.

 

[sealybobo]

All living organisms are related, from the smallest bacteria to the largest whales. To reflect the relationship between groups of species, biological classifications have been developed. Currently, Taxonomy is the discipline that deals with biological classifications, using sequences of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) from each organism as the most reliable source of information regarding relationship.

I totally get why for theists this is all too much mind blowing information. I agree. It is for me too. But that doesn't mean I'm going to NOT believe it because it's all over my head and too much for me to wrap my brain around. For me it's a lot easier to accept this stuff than it is to accept a virgin birth or a god who sent his only son. One is fact and one is fiction. Sorry Jesus.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

All living organisms are related, from the smallest bacteria to the largest whales. To reflect the relationship between groups of species, biological classifications have been developed. Currently, Taxonomy is the discipline that deals with biological classifications, using sequences of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) from each organism as the most reliable source of information regarding relationship.

I totally get why for theists this is all too much mind blowing information. I agree. It is for me too. But that doesn't mean I'm going to NOT believe it because it's all over my head and too much for me to wrap my brain around. For me it's a lot easier to accept this stuff than it is to accept a virgin birth or a god who sent his only son. One is fact and one is fiction. Sorry Jesus.

Oh, don't worry about Jesus. It's likely he never existed but if he did, his daddy murdered him some 2000 years ago.

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[Syriusly]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

So you think there's a scientifically provable explanation?

What you believe is what our primitive ancient ancestors believed 2000 years ago. I don't blame them because they didn't know what we know today. It's people like you who have the internet at your fingertips and all the knowledge we have now and even still you deny evolution and choose to believe a god that wrote the bible waved his hand and made it all so. This is why we say religious people can't possibly be scientific unless they are cherry picking and using cognitive dissonance along the way.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

And acting as though everything is known today is arrogance and ignorant.

And ignoring the evidence known today is willful ignorance and faith based arrogance.

 

[Syriusly]

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

Sure it's possible. So why do Christians have such a problem with evolution?

We know that even if evolution is proven as a fact you will still deny it and just move the goal post. This is called god of the gaps.

7 Things That Show That Evolution Is An Actual Fact

They don't......you are just selling it as the WHOLE story, when it is a very small part of the story.

BS

Throughout much of the 20th century, opponents of evolution (many of them theologically conservative Christians) either tried to eliminate the teaching of Darwin’s theory from public school science curricula or urged science instructors also to teach a version of the creation story found in the biblical book of Genesis. The famous 1925 Scopes “monkey” trial, for instance, involved a Tennessee law prohibiting the teaching of evolution in the state’s schools. (See The Social and Legal Dimensions of the Evolution Debate in the U.S.)

But beginning in the 1960s, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a number of decisions that imposed severe restrictions on those state governments that opposed the teaching of evolution. As a result of these rulings, school boards, legislatures and government bodies are now barred from prohibiting the teaching of evolution. Teaching creation science, either along with evolutionary theory or in place of it, is also banned.

Partly in response to these court decisions, opposition to teaching evolution has itself evolved, with opponents changing their goals and tactics. In the last decade, some local and state school boards in Kansas, Pennsylvania and elsewhere have considered teaching what they contend are scientific alternatives to evolution – notably the concept of intelligent design, which posits that life is too complex to have developed without the intervention of an outside, possibly divine force. Other education officials have tried to require schools to teach critiques of evolution or to mandate that students listen to or read evolution disclaimers, such as one proposed a number of years ago in Cobb County, Ga. It read, in part, that evolution is “a theory, not a fact [and] … should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.” The Cobb County disclaimer and a number of other efforts have been withdrawn following successful court challenges by proponents of teaching evolution.(See Fighting Over Darwin, State by State.)

These debates are just as prevalent in the court of public opinion as they are in the courtroom. A spring 2013 Pew Research Center survey finds that six-in-ten Americans say humans and other living things evolved over time, including 32% who say that life evolved through natural processes like natural selection and 24% who say a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today. A third of Americans (33%) say that humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.

BS

You can quote all the "survey" data you want, doesn't mean anything. A decision that dictates a certain curriculum doesn't mean the curriculum is correct, it is simply the chosen curriculum.

www.newsweek.com/pope-franciss-remarks-evolution...catholics-281115

That rather describes how Christians decided which was the 'correct Christian' curriculum- or theology.

First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia

 

[ChrisL]

I know there are similarities but I think they are coincidental, like cats and seals both have whiskers. But cats didn't come from seals or vice a versa.

We came from monkeys?

Nope, monkeys are not as dictatorial and cruel and power hungry.

I demand an apology for all monkeys

Monkey see, monkey do!

 

[peaceful warrior]

People act like a bunch of mad monkeys, they even elected the 70 year old orangutan as the president of the world. So , yes, people are and most likely will always be just dirty little monkeys with an inflated sense of self importance.

 

[SixFoot]

 

[sealybobo]

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How about life on other planets? Do Christians believe we are alone in the universe? This would be another reason to doubt religions. No way we are all there is.

'Are We Alone?' Churchill Concludes It's Likely Life Circles Other Suns

"I am not sufficiently conceited to think that my sun is the only one with a family of planets," he wrote. "With hundreds of thousands of nebulae, each containing thousands of millions of suns, the odds are enormous that there must be immense numbers which possess planets whose circumstances would not render life impossible."

But in 1939 Winston Churchill wrote, "I, for one, am not so immensely impressed by the success we are making of our civilization here that I am prepared to think we are the only spot in this immense universe which contains living, thinking creatures, or that we are the highest type of mental and physical development which has ever appeared in the vast compass of space and time."

But this is another thing that religion will get over. They'll say, "of course god made more life besides ours".

 

[SixFoot]

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How about life on other planets? Do Christians believe we are alone in the universe? This would be another reason to doubt religions. No way we are all there is.

'Are We Alone?' Churchill Concludes It's Likely Life Circles Other Suns

"I am not sufficiently conceited to think that my sun is the only one with a family of planets," he wrote. "With hundreds of thousands of nebulae, each containing thousands of millions of suns, the odds are enormous that there must be immense numbers which possess planets whose circumstances would not render life impossible."

But in 1939 Winston Churchill wrote, "I, for one, am not so immensely impressed by the success we are making of our civilization here that I am prepared to think we are the only spot in this immense universe which contains living, thinking creatures, or that we are the highest type of mental and physical development which has ever appeared in the vast compass of space and time."

But this is another thing that religion will get over. They'll say, "of course god made more life besides ours".

Well, this Christian absolutely believes that not only is there life elsewhere, but that the Bible also speaks to the idea.

I'm also willing to bet there are other lifeforms (much more advanced than we) who also believe in a One God.

 

[sealybobo]

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How about life on other planets? Do Christians believe we are alone in the universe? This would be another reason to doubt religions. No way we are all there is.

'Are We Alone?' Churchill Concludes It's Likely Life Circles Other Suns

"I am not sufficiently conceited to think that my sun is the only one with a family of planets," he wrote. "With hundreds of thousands of nebulae, each containing thousands of millions of suns, the odds are enormous that there must be immense numbers which possess planets whose circumstances would not render life impossible."

But in 1939 Winston Churchill wrote, "I, for one, am not so immensely impressed by the success we are making of our civilization here that I am prepared to think we are the only spot in this immense universe which contains living, thinking creatures, or that we are the highest type of mental and physical development which has ever appeared in the vast compass of space and time."

But this is another thing that religion will get over. They'll say, "of course god made more life besides ours".

Well, this Christian absolutely believes that not only is there life elsewhere, but that the Bible also speaks to the idea.

I'm also willing to bet there are other lifeforms (much more advanced than we) who also believe in a One God.

Then the bible speaks to everything. It must be the greatest collections of ramblings if it actually covers this too. LOL. Where does it cover this? And I love it how the bible covers both arguments for everything too. Some Christians can show you where it says you shouldn't marry someone from another race, and I'm sure the book has a passage somewhere that says it's ok.

I would like to see a Christian who believes like you do argue with Christians who believe we are all there is.

I believe that there are other lifeforms that believe in gods. Why not? If it's something we can imagine why not them? And since it is an unknowable thing I bet those societies also have atheists.

Today I was listening to a woman on NPR talk about life elsewhere. She said something I've been saying. It is very unlikely we will look around us and see life. There may have been life there a few billion years ago and there might be life there a few billion years after we are gone. But the likelihood of life like us being close to us, is slim.

The Bible does not speak of aliens who live on other planets, but it does speak of a Spirit Being who “inhabits eternity”(Isaiah 57:15).

Extraterrestrial Life: What Does the Bible Say?

 

[sealybobo]

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How about life on other planets? Do Christians believe we are alone in the universe? This would be another reason to doubt religions. No way we are all there is.

'Are We Alone?' Churchill Concludes It's Likely Life Circles Other Suns

"I am not sufficiently conceited to think that my sun is the only one with a family of planets," he wrote. "With hundreds of thousands of nebulae, each containing thousands of millions of suns, the odds are enormous that there must be immense numbers which possess planets whose circumstances would not render life impossible."

But in 1939 Winston Churchill wrote, "I, for one, am not so immensely impressed by the success we are making of our civilization here that I am prepared to think we are the only spot in this immense universe which contains living, thinking creatures, or that we are the highest type of mental and physical development which has ever appeared in the vast compass of space and time."

But this is another thing that religion will get over. They'll say, "of course god made more life besides ours".

Well, this Christian absolutely believes that not only is there life elsewhere, but that the Bible also speaks to the idea.

I'm also willing to bet there are other lifeforms (much more advanced than we) who also believe in a One God.

Then why call yourself a christian if you don't believe? Most Christians are cherry pickers who don't really believe the religion they belong to.

the big picture of the Bible/gospel message allows us to conclude clearly that the reason the Bible doesn’t mention extraterrestrials (ETs) is that there aren’t any

Did God create life on other planets? - creation.com

1. Jesus was called ‘the last Adam’ because there was a real first man, Adam (1 Corinthians 15:22,45)—not a first Vulcan, Klingon etc. This is so a sinless human Substitute takes on the punishment all humans deserve for sin (Isaiah 53:6,10; Matthew 20:28; 1 John 2:2, 4:10), with no need to atone for any (non-existent) sin of his own (Hebrews 7:27).
   
   
2. Since this would mean that any ETs would be lost for eternity when this present creation is destroyed in a fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10, 12), some have wondered whether Christ’s sacrifice might be repeated elsewhere for other beings. However, Christ died once for all (Romans 6:10, 1 Peter 3:18) on the earth. He is not going to be crucified and resurrected again on other planets (Hebrews 9:26). This is confirmed by the fact that the redeemed (earthly) church is known as Christ’s bride (Ephesians 5:22–33; Revelation 19:7–9) in a marriage that will last for eternity.Hebrews 2:16).
   

 

[sealybobo]

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How about life on other planets? Do Christians believe we are alone in the universe? This would be another reason to doubt religions. No way we are all there is.

'Are We Alone?' Churchill Concludes It's Likely Life Circles Other Suns

"I am not sufficiently conceited to think that my sun is the only one with a family of planets," he wrote. "With hundreds of thousands of nebulae, each containing thousands of millions of suns, the odds are enormous that there must be immense numbers which possess planets whose circumstances would not render life impossible."

But in 1939 Winston Churchill wrote, "I, for one, am not so immensely impressed by the success we are making of our civilization here that I am prepared to think we are the only spot in this immense universe which contains living, thinking creatures, or that we are the highest type of mental and physical development which has ever appeared in the vast compass of space and time."

But this is another thing that religion will get over. They'll say, "of course god made more life besides ours".

Well, this Christian absolutely believes that not only is there life elsewhere, but that the Bible also speaks to the idea.

I'm also willing to bet there are other lifeforms (much more advanced than we) who also believe in a One God.

OMG it just dawned on me that on other planets the Adam there didn't eat the apple so maybe they didn't have to go through the whole original sin thing. No Noah's ark story, no soddom & gammora and no crucifiction. They still live in paradise and live forever on their planet.

And if we find these creatures who never die then we will believe that a god exists.

 

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