Do You Believe We Came From Monkeys?

[sealybobo]

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

So you think there's a scientifically provable explanation?

What you believe is what our primitive ancient ancestors believed 2000 years ago. I don't blame them because they didn't know what we know today. It's people like you who have the internet at your fingertips and all the knowledge we have now and even still you deny evolution and choose to believe a god that wrote the bible waved his hand and made it all so. This is why we say religious people can't possibly be scientific unless they are cherry picking and using cognitive dissonance along the way.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

And acting as though everything is known today is arrogance and ignorant.

I don't think everything is known. What I'm doing is using what is known. I'm not ignoring what is known because it conflicts with my ancient holy books.

Believing in god because not everything is known is ignorant. God of the gaps.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

See also: Critical thinking (a must watch), Richard Feynman on Doubt and Uncertainty (a must watch).

“It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” – Carl Sagan

“God is an ever-receding pocket of ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller as time goes on.”– Neil deGrasse Tyson

I'm not denying all that is known, just the conclusion you are jumping to from what is known. You think this proves that God doesn't or can't exist, I say it only proves his existence.

I didn't say anything proves god doesn't exist. Nothing can prove that. You'd have to be a god yourself to disprove a god exists because you'd have to be all knowing and have the ability to look behind every rock in the universe all at the exact same time.

I'm saying god has never visited and every religion is man made up. Evolution disproves the creation story.

So if you want to continue arguing that a generic creator exists, that's fine. Maybe one does. But he never visited and our ancient holy books are man made.

 

[koshergrl]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

 

[sealybobo]

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

Yes , wrong. Yes, God made them, God makes everything you dope, even your sorry ass.

What's wrong? You don't just get to say wrong without explaining how I'm wrong. That only tells me I'm actually right but me putting it the way I did embarrassed your stupid little ass.

Are you telling me the first pigs had parents? Then they weren't the first. How did pigs get on this planet?

See friend I'm trying to help you walk it through in your brain. Maybe you haven't logically thought it through. This is why evolution is the truth. No god had to come and wave his hand and magically all the diverse animals were here.

Is Earth Undergoing a 6th Mass Extinction? --"99.9% of all Past Species Extinct"

This means 99% of the animals god made are extinct today.

Yes, wrong. I can say your wrong without explaining, see?

I'm not going to start over from square one with some newby joining the discussion. But at least you are the first in days to proudly admit that you believe a god waved his hand and produced all the animals on earth. Most people don't have the courage to proclaim such ignorance.

But you know what? How can I argue with that. If you are willing to throw out all logic and science and believe such nonsense really what can I say? Nothing. God bless.

Ignorance in your eyes only, I believe I did ask a question much earlier in this thread which no one has even attempted to reply to.....................Evolution and God can exist together, do you know how long a day is to GOD?

That's right. A god could have planted the life seed and then evolution took place. That is true. So why do organized religions deny evolution? Ask yourself that.

 

[xotoxi]

The great apes (gorillae, oranguans, chimpanzees) and humans evolved from a predecessor ape at some point in the distant past. That predecessor ape is extinct.

I always think of the concept of evolution of animals as similar to the evolution of languages. Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese all originally came from a predecessor language: Latin. Latin is extinct. The other descendant languages are similar in many ways, but distinctly different.

cute theory.
unproven, however.

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Therefore, there is just as much chance that I am correct than that you are correct...even though my unproven theory does have some evidence to lend it credibility.

as does mine.

I'm sorry tou think that.

 

[sealybobo]

The great apes (gorillae, oranguans, chimpanzees) and humans evolved from a predecessor ape at some point in the distant past. That predecessor ape is extinct.

I always think of the concept of evolution of animals as similar to the evolution of languages. Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese all originally came from a predecessor language: Latin. Latin is extinct. The other descendant languages are similar in many ways, but distinctly different.

cute theory.
unproven, however.

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Therefore, there is just as much chance that I am correct than that you are correct...even though my unproven theory does have some evidence to lend it credibility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

So you think there's a scientifically provable explanation?

What you believe is what our primitive ancient ancestors believed 2000 years ago. I don't blame them because they didn't know what we know today. It's people like you who have the internet at your fingertips and all the knowledge we have now and even still you deny evolution and choose to believe a god that wrote the bible waved his hand and made it all so. This is why we say religious people can't possibly be scientific unless they are cherry picking and using cognitive dissonance along the way.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

And acting as though everything is known today is arrogance and ignorant.

I don't think everything is known. What I'm doing is using what is known. I'm not ignoring what is known because it conflicts with my ancient holy books.

Believing in god because not everything is known is ignorant. God of the gaps.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

See also: Critical thinking (a must watch), Richard Feynman on Doubt and Uncertainty (a must watch).

“It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” – Carl Sagan

“God is an ever-receding pocket of ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller as time goes on.”– Neil deGrasse Tyson

I'm not denying all that is known, just the conclusion you are jumping to from what is known. You think this proves that God doesn't or can't exist, I say it only proves his existence.

I didn't say anything proves god doesn't exist. Nothing can prove that. You'd have to be a god yourself to disprove a god exists because you'd have to be all knowing and have the ability to look behind every rock in the universe all at the exact same time.

I'm saying god has never visited and every religion is man made up. Evolution disproves the creation story.

So if you want to continue arguing that a generic creator exists, that's fine. Maybe one does. But he never visited and our ancient holy books are man made.

AND........this is where we disagree, evolution DOES NOT disprove the creation theory. You just don't understand the creation story. Sorry, can't help you with that.

 

[sealybobo]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

Sure it's possible. So why do Christians have such a problem with evolution?

We know that even if evolution is proven as a fact you will still deny it and just move the goal post. This is called god of the gaps.

7 Things That Show That Evolution Is An Actual Fact

 

[LTCArmyRet]

The great apes (gorillae, oranguans, chimpanzees) and humans evolved from a predecessor ape at some point in the distant past. That predecessor ape is extinct.

I always think of the concept of evolution of animals as similar to the evolution of languages. Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese all originally came from a predecessor language: Latin. Latin is extinct. The other descendant languages are similar in many ways, but distinctly different.

cute theory.
unproven, however.

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Therefore, there is just as much chance that I am correct than that you are correct...even though my unproven theory does have some evidence to lend it credibility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

Oh ye of small minds.

 

[xotoxi]

The great apes (gorillae, oranguans, chimpanzees) and humans evolved from a predecessor ape at some point in the distant past. That predecessor ape is extinct.

I always think of the concept of evolution of animals as similar to the evolution of languages. Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese all originally came from a predecessor language: Latin. Latin is extinct. The other descendant languages are similar in many ways, but distinctly different.

cute theory.
unproven, however.

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Therefore, there is just as much chance that I am correct than that you are correct...even though my unproven theory does have some evidence to lend it credibility.

The difference is that I don't present my theory as anything but theory, and my belief.

And yet there are other people who hold the same theory and belief as you, who presents it as TRUTH and FACT.

I hope you take the time to call them out.

 

[sealybobo]

Normally we think of evolution as something that happens over thousands or millions of years, and it often is. But there are plenty of examples of it happening in human timescales.

The most famous example is the peppered moth, which lives in forests in Britain and is camouflaged against tree bark. Up until the 19th century they were all white, but when the Industrial Revolution blackened the trees in British forests, the white colouring became much more visible. In 1811 a first dark specimen was recorded, a mutant. Against the dark trees they were much harder for predators to spot. By the end of the century it outnumbered the white ones. But as the heavily polluting industries in Britain fell away in the 20th century, and the forests became cleaner again, the white moth became more common.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

Sure it's possible. So why do Christians have such a problem with evolution?

We know that even if evolution is proven as a fact you will still deny it and just move the goal post. This is called god of the gaps.

7 Things That Show That Evolution Is An Actual Fact

They don't......you are just selling it as the WHOLE story, when it is a very small part of the story.

 

[sealybobo]

cute theory.
unproven, however.

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Therefore, there is just as much chance that I am correct than that you are correct...even though my unproven theory does have some evidence to lend it credibility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

Oh ye of small minds.

Using the ye tells me you've been brainwashed by an organized religion.

Oh ye with a brainwashed mind. I go to church and hear them making you guys repeat the nonsense over and over again for years and years. Sorry I am not a member of your cult. I am ye of little faith that your religion is authentic.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Normally we think of evolution as something that happens over thousands or millions of years, and it often is. But there are plenty of examples of it happening in human timescales.

The most famous example is the peppered moth, which lives in forests in Britain and is camouflaged against tree bark. Up until the 19th century they were all white, but when the Industrial Revolution blackened the trees in British forests, the white colouring became much more visible. In 1811 a first dark specimen was recorded, a mutant. Against the dark trees they were much harder for predators to spot. By the end of the century it outnumbered the white ones. But as the heavily polluting industries in Britain fell away in the 20th century, and the forests became cleaner again, the white moth became more common.

That's adaptation to ones environment. Or maybe the moths were being turned darker from the same environment that turned the trees darker.

 

[sealybobo]

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

So in theory it's perfectly possible that someone created dna and then created humanity.

Thank you. I agree.

Sure it's possible. So why do Christians have such a problem with evolution?

We know that even if evolution is proven as a fact you will still deny it and just move the goal post. This is called god of the gaps.

7 Things That Show That Evolution Is An Actual Fact

They don't......you are just selling it as the WHOLE story, when it is a very small part of the story.

BS

Throughout much of the 20th century, opponents of evolution (many of them theologically conservative Christians) either tried to eliminate the teaching of Darwin’s theory from public school science curricula or urged science instructors also to teach a version of the creation story found in the biblical book of Genesis. The famous 1925 Scopes “monkey” trial, for instance, involved a Tennessee law prohibiting the teaching of evolution in the state’s schools. (See The Social and Legal Dimensions of the Evolution Debate in the U.S.)

But beginning in the 1960s, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a number of decisions that imposed severe restrictions on those state governments that opposed the teaching of evolution. As a result of these rulings, school boards, legislatures and government bodies are now barred from prohibiting the teaching of evolution. Teaching creation science, either along with evolutionary theory or in place of it, is also banned.

Partly in response to these court decisions, opposition to teaching evolution has itself evolved, with opponents changing their goals and tactics. In the last decade, some local and state school boards in Kansas, Pennsylvania and elsewhere have considered teaching what they contend are scientific alternatives to evolution – notably the concept of intelligent design, which posits that life is too complex to have developed without the intervention of an outside, possibly divine force. Other education officials have tried to require schools to teach critiques of evolution or to mandate that students listen to or read evolution disclaimers, such as one proposed a number of years ago in Cobb County, Ga. It read, in part, that evolution is “a theory, not a fact [and] … should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.” The Cobb County disclaimer and a number of other efforts have been withdrawn following successful court challenges by proponents of teaching evolution.(See Fighting Over Darwin, State by State.)

These debates are just as prevalent in the court of public opinion as they are in the courtroom. A spring 2013 Pew Research Center survey finds that six-in-ten Americans say humans and other living things evolved over time, including 32% who say that life evolved through natural processes like natural selection and 24% who say a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today. A third of Americans (33%) say that humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.

 

[sealybobo]

Normally we think of evolution as something that happens over thousands or millions of years, and it often is. But there are plenty of examples of it happening in human timescales.

The most famous example is the peppered moth, which lives in forests in Britain and is camouflaged against tree bark. Up until the 19th century they were all white, but when the Industrial Revolution blackened the trees in British forests, the white colouring became much more visible. In 1811 a first dark specimen was recorded, a mutant. Against the dark trees they were much harder for predators to spot. By the end of the century it outnumbered the white ones. But as the heavily polluting industries in Britain fell away in the 20th century, and the forests became cleaner again, the white moth became more common.

That's adaptation to ones environment. Or maybe the moths were being turned darker from the same environment that turned the trees darker.

Science says they evolved. See, you don't believe the science. Don't tell me you don't have a problem with science and evolution and then turn around and argue the science of it all.

 

[sealybobo]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

It is possible to create humans outside of the womb.

It is not possible to create a human without having another human's DNA to work with (i.e. an egg and a sperm, an egg and the DNA from a sperm, an empty egg with full set of human DNA (such as cloning))

They don't believe something can be created from nothing but then believe god made humans out of mud.

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure [2][3]. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

Note 1: Theists often state “God is outside of time”. This claim does not actually make their speculation correct. Instead, it brings with it a whole host of problems and may be immediately dismissed as being without basis and a type fallacy known as special pleading.

 

[Old Rocks]

How anyone can believe in the creationist theory, I don't know, because it makes no sense to me!

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

So you think there's a scientifically provable explanation?

What you believe is what our primitive ancient ancestors believed 2000 years ago. I don't blame them because they didn't know what we know today. It's people like you who have the internet at your fingertips and all the knowledge we have now and even still you deny evolution and choose to believe a god that wrote the bible waved his hand and made it all so. This is why we say religious people can't possibly be scientific unless they are cherry picking and using cognitive dissonance along the way.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

And acting as though everything is known today is arrogance and ignorant.

God, what a damned stupid thing to say. Science is constantly seeking new knowledge. It is people like you that simply look at something, and say "God did it", and leave it at that. Your ignorance is willful, and is the worst crime you can commit against the future generations.

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is their thinking.

Those were just stories, allegories, parables. Whatever. The fact is who was Adams mother? Christians thing god waved his hand and next thing you know all the land living animals appeared.

So the first animals didn't have parents. God made them.

If I'm wrong one of them will correct me

You think it's impossible to create humans outside the womb?

How anti science of you.

So you think there's a scientifically provable explanation?

What you believe is what our primitive ancient ancestors believed 2000 years ago. I don't blame them because they didn't know what we know today. It's people like you who have the internet at your fingertips and all the knowledge we have now and even still you deny evolution and choose to believe a god that wrote the bible waved his hand and made it all so. This is why we say religious people can't possibly be scientific unless they are cherry picking and using cognitive dissonance along the way.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

And acting as though everything is known today is arrogance and ignorant.

I don't think everything is known. What I'm doing is using what is known. I'm not ignoring what is known because it conflicts with my ancient holy books.

Believing in god because not everything is known is ignorant. God of the gaps.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

See also: Critical thinking (a must watch), Richard Feynman on Doubt and Uncertainty (a must watch).

“It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” – Carl Sagan

“God is an ever-receding pocket of ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller as time goes on.”– Neil deGrasse Tyson

I'm not denying all that is known, just the conclusion you are jumping to from what is known. You think this proves that God doesn't or can't exist, I say it only proves his existence.

The existence of a diety cannot be proven or disproved, it is accepted or rejected on faith. What can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt is that life evolved on this planet, is still evolving, and will continue to evolve as long as there is life here.

 

[Old Rocks]

The great apes (gorillae, oranguans, chimpanzees) and humans evolved from a predecessor ape at some point in the distant past. That predecessor ape is extinct.

I always think of the concept of evolution of animals as similar to the evolution of languages. Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese all originally came from a predecessor language: Latin. Latin is extinct. The other descendant languages are similar in many ways, but distinctly different.

cute theory.
unproven, however.

What is your proven theory?

I don't have a proven one. Neither do you. That's my point.

Faith is a good thing.

Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.

You have faith in junk science. I'd say that's a better example of "voluntary ignorance" than faith in God, since you deny your version is "faith" but instead tout it as "science".

What a silly little ass you are. We are engineering, quite successfully with that 'junk science'. The fossil record attests to the accuracy of that 'Junk science' as does the DNA in every cell of your body. Your own body attests to the stupidity of your views.

 

[Sbiker]

Adam was husband of Eve, but mankind came from monkey... So, Eve didn't lose time, when Adam tried to make adultery with Lilith...

Who were Adams parents?

How did they populate the world when they had two SONS, Cain and Abel? Where did the other women come from?

Women sight... and, offcourse - monkeys and monkeys