Zone1 do you believe in a god?

[Grumblenuts]

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[Grumblenuts]

The Mosaic covenant was that the Hebrews would be freed from slavery and become God's possession. All those who chose to be freed from Egypt and to turn to God, fled with Moses and were freed. Then while Moses was away, they broke the Covenant, returned to the ways of Egypt whom they were fleeing. Throughout Exodus we see this--those who were freed from slavery wishing to return to slavery, usually because there were better eats in Egypt and life was hard in the wilderness.

Funny, lots of rational sounding interpretations provided here:

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The Mosaic covenant, also known as the Sinaitic covenant, is a key biblical agreement established between God and the Israelites, as described in the Hebrew Bible. This covenant is rooted in the relationship initially formed with Abraham in the Abrahamic covenant and was formally presented to...

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None mention any Israelites preferring Egyptian slavery.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The Mosaic covenant was that the Hebrews would be freed from slavery and become God's possession.

What does that have to do with the indigenous people who collectively owned the property of the north and south American continents at that time?

Why do you make the claim of natural rights for human beings as equals came from YAHWEY.

Between the time of the landing by the Europeans, in the colony of Massachusetts Bay and the American Revolutionary war, the native inhabitants were driven from their land.

You say the European chosen people had a right to take away that land.

I’m sorry, but that means the Europeans were superior and preferred in YAHWEY eyes to the indigenous peoples of North America and South America.

Yahweh preferred the people who had blunderbusses

 

[Meriweather]

What does that have to do with the indigenous people who collectively owned the property of the north and south American continents at that time?

It has nothing to do with it. They are two separate stories involving people living on different continents. One story involves a people enslaved by the Egyptians, whose Covenant with God being freed from Egyptian masters to becoming a people of God.

Why do you make the claim of natural rights for human beings as equals came from YAHWEY.

I don't recall making that claim, or what the context was if I did. The US Declaration of Independence did make that claim in saying: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

(I happen to agree with the Declaration of Independence, but it wasn't I who made the claim, I merely concur.)

 

[Meriweather]

Between the time of the landing by the Europeans, in the colony of Massachusetts Bay and the American Revolutionary war, the native inhabitants were driven from their land.

You say the European chosen people had a right to take away that land.

Do you want to quote where I ever said that because it doesn't sound anything like what I would say.

 

[Meriweather]

I’m sorry, but that means the Europeans were superior and preferred in YAHWEY eyes to the indigenous peoples of North America and South America.

Do you wish to quote someone--anyone--who has said that--and the context? I've never heard that sentiment myself.

 

[Meriweather]

Funny, lots of rational sounding interpretations provided here:

As my discussion with you (and others here), I rarely bother with links. I am certain you are capable of making your own point.

 

[Grumblenuts]

As my discussion with you (and others here), I rarely bother with links. I am certain you are capable of making your own point.

I did. Sorry you missed it. But while I've got you on the phone, who begat the first Native Americans? What year according to Genesis? Whose property/"possession" were the Egyptians?

The Mosaic covenant was that the Hebrews would be freed from slavery and become God's possession.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Do you wish to quote someone--anyone--who has said that--and the context? I've never heard that sentiment myself.

I’m saying it to you. If Yahweh is in a covenant with white European Protestant settlers who came to the North American continent in 1620 saying that they are in a covenant with the god of Abraham who is also supposed to be the god over the indigenous people that they would eventually displace and drive off their land that they lived on for over 10,000 years, then it means that the God of Abraham, Yahweh, regards the white Europeans, more favorable to HIM than those indigenous people.

It cannot mean that Yahweh sees all the human beings he created as having equal rights under his authority. He favors one group over others with a regard to rights.

IF YOU THINK I AM INCORRECT ABOUT THAT, PLEASE MAKE YOUR POINT.

 

[Meriweather]

who begat the first Native Americans? What year according to Genesis? Whose property/"possession" were the Egyptians?

If we are going by the Bible (and science) mankind's birth was called the Garden of Eden, which science, studying fossil evidence, pinpoint to these origins being in the horn of Africa. Biblical stories appear to match up. The Hebrew language didn't count years. The word usually translated as 'day' is better translated as a new time period. Yes, that can mean a new sunset/sunrise (our day) or in could mean what we would call the next era, the next change. As I recall, science put this beginning (more or less) around 300,000 years ago.

Archbishop James Ussher (Church of Ireland, a branch of the Anglican Church) thought that the age of man could be calculated by counting back the generations between Christ and Adam. He (and the King James Bible) thought 'day' meant 24 hours, and 'generation' meant Father to son to grandson (etc). In the Hebrew, 'son' could very well mean son as we identify it today. Equally, it could mean 'descendant of'. (This can be noted in the use of the phrase 'son of David'.)

The Bible doesn't seem to specify the origins of Egypt, but it does have a fascinating history. King Menes is given credit for uniting the people into a nation, but it was a longer process than can be credited to a single man. An interesting note is that Pharaohs, were considered gods, there to keep order among the people. As far as who created the world, I believe that is credited to the sun god, Ra, also known by a couple of other names. If I recall correctly, one of these names was Amun. In any case, on earth he was pictured as a ram, and actual animal was worshiped as well.

As an atheist, here is a fox you can set among the chickens: Why did Yahweh use the blood of a baby ram to protect the Israelites from the last plague? Yes, at that young age, a sheep/ram is known as--and called--a lamb. We call Jesus the Lamb of God, and believe his blood cleanses/protects us. Male lamb...ram...Egyptians worshiped rams; the blood of a young lamb/ram protected God's people. I've always found that fascinating. What is even more fascinating are all the attempts to associate Jesus with the other gods of mythology fail miserably when looked into--while the obvious has been missed or passed over. (As a kid, I delved heavily into mythology--loved it. That's how I find it so easily to pick apart those who try to compare Jesus to other mythological gods.)

Anyway, I've gone on and on far too long. But I heartily recommend the study of Egyptian history, their gods, and their mythology. It's fascinating!

 

[Eman623]

I believe in God, but not religion. Turns out it's not needed. All you need to believe in God is to believe in God.

 

[Meriweather]

I’m saying it to you. If Yahweh is in a covenant with white European Protestant settlers who came to the North American continent in 1620 saying that they are in a covenant with the god of Abraham who is also supposed to be the god over the indigenous people that they would eventually displace and drive off their land that they lived on for over 10,000 years, then it means that the God of Abraham, Yahweh, regards the white Europeans, more favorable to HIM than those indigenous people.

It cannot mean that Yahweh sees all the human beings he created as having equal rights under his authority. He favors one group over others with a regard to rights.

IF YOU THINK I AM INCORRECT ABOUT THAT, PLEASE MAKE YOUR POINT.

The Covenant God has with Christians is Repentance for the forgiveness of sins. The mission (not covenant) Jesus gave his Apostles was to proclaim this good news (Repentance for the forgiveness of sins).

If you are interested in each of the Covenants between God and mankind, I recommend studying them. They are:
The Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, The Mosaic Covenant, the Davidic Covenant and the New Covenant.

Interesting how you, today, measure God's favor towards his people. Recall how in Biblical times people thought God favored the rich over the poor, the healthy over those with any kind of physical ailment. Jesus taught this was not so. In Jesus' time did the Jews (or Jesus) hold the opinion that God regarded the Romans more favorably?

Anyway, I have no point to make. I have this (apparently) totally weird concept that people hold unique perceptions due to the fact we are limited in our knowledge, insights, and awareness of all that is around us. According to the visible light spectrum, we can barely see! Same goes for our hearing and sense of smell. Perhaps this helps you understand my great interest in other perceptions and perspectives, particularly about God?

 

[Meriweather]

I believe in God, but not religion. Turns out it's not needed. All you need to believe in God is to believe in God.

Are you Christian--i.e., do you believe in Jesus?

 

[Eman623]

Are you Christian--i.e., do you believe in Jesus?

I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness who you may know are non-trinitarians and do not believe Jesus is God.

And I'm not a Christian now. So I guess it's fair to say I have never believed in Jesus as God.

I'm sort of a Theist, but even that is just another label. My belief just is. I believe in God because I do.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Meriweather

The Covenant God has with Christians is Repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

That is not what Christian Cheryl Chumley says about the Covenant that waa made in 1620.

She says our nation “ the United States of America” is indeed in a covenant with your image of God; an ancient war god who made a covenant with what would become the United States of America long after Jesus walked the earth.

Are you saying Cheryl Chumley is wrong?

 

[Meriweather]

I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness who you may know are non-trinitarians and do not believe Jesus is God.

And I'm not a Christian now. So I guess it's fair to say I have never believed in Jesus as God.

I'm sort of a Theist, but even that is just another label. My belief just is. I believe in God because I do.

Good enough. The reason I asked about Jesus is because of his words, "Upon this rock I build my church/assembly." Why consider this worth contemplating? The analogy is that when one observes a pond where water flows it, but no water flows out, algae and scum begin to form. Notice a lake where water flows in and water flows out. It is clear and clean. The church (better termed 'assembly') is generally where some differentiate between 'God' and 'religion'. The etymology of religion can mean to tie or reconnect--or both. It is the 'reconnection' where church/assembly come into play.

Faith/religion is more than just God and one individual, though it definitely includes God and an individual. It is a re-connection of God and his people--and the people to one another in worship of God. Some of my very best times with God is in the midst of nature where I am with God alone. The other of my best times with God is in church, it the midst of people with God in our midst.

Sometimes one is needed, sometimes the other. My recommendation if there is ever a time where you are thinking 'God and me alone' is going stale, try adding a little re-connection--where the water that is flowing into you also has that an outlet that flows on. Also consider that so many people, so many perceptions of God. Sometimes it is enlightening for other perspectives of God (outside your own) to flow into you as well.

I'm thinking you are well on your way.

 

[Meriweather]

That is not what Christian Cheryl Chumley says about the Covenant that waa made in 1620.

She says our nation “ the United States of America” is indeed in a covenant with your image of God; an ancient war god who made a covenant with what would become the United States of America long after Jesus walked the earth.

Are you saying Cheryl Chumley is wrong?

I am saying that is her single perspective. The other part is that Covenants of God are witnessed by someone and sealed with blood. Did Cheryl Chumley witness such a covenant? If not, who did?

 

[ding]

my dog Bella and I have a covenant relationship where I am her God and she is my creature.

Our covenant says if Bella does not shit and pee in my house, I will take her for a long walk twice a day and provide food and water and a comfortable place to sleep for as long as she may live.

St.Ding is apparently in the same type of covenant relationship with an ancient WarGod named Yahweh.

There is a distinction of differences between Bella and St.Ding !

When Bella goes around the neighborhood and communicates with other dogs, I do not insist that all the other dogs must disobey their Owners and move into my house.

St.Ding’s irrational relationship with Yahweh has helped white Christian nationalists to enact, using federal power of force without due process, the white Christian Project 2025 thus making white Christian nationalism a real threat to Jeffersonian Republicanism

These dogs want all dogs in America to worship one master …~… Through Donald J Trump, then Jesus then Yahweh.

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[ding]

Of course not. Wtf?

That's the basis of the bible. Some behaviors naturally lead to success and some behaviors naturally lead to failure.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The question, "Why do you worship a God", was originally asked by a snake. Then it goes from there.