Do we need to fear God?

Mortimer · Jun 13, 2022

The following text proves we are to fear Almighty God with a terrorizing fear that compels us to obedience. Fear and love cannot be separated. If we love, we fear doing anything that would separate us from the object of our affection. If an earthly father is a strict disciplinarian, children fear him because they fear to displease him and they fear the punishment or chastisement he will enforce. God is a strict Disciplinarian and He demands obedience. This is the generation of apostasy--people are unrepentant, walking in their own ways because they have no fear of God.
There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom 3:18)
Heb 12:25-29 KJV
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
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26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
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27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
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28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear [G2124]:
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29 For our God is a consuming fire.
G2124
εὐλάβεια
eulabeia
yoo-lab'-i-ah
From G2126; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): - fear (-ed).

Hossfly · Jun 13, 2022

Mortimer said:
The following text proves we are to fear Almighty God with a terrorizing fear that compels us to obedience. Fear and love cannot be separated. If we love, we fear doing anything that would separate us from the object of our affection. If an earthly father is a strict disciplinarian, children fear him because they fear to displease him and they fear the punishment or chastisement he will enforce. God is a strict Disciplinarian and He demands obedience. This is the generation of apostasy--people are unrepentant, walking in their own ways because they have no fear of God.
There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom 3:18)
Heb 12:25-29 KJV
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
.
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear [G2124]:
.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
G2124
εὐλάβεια
eulabeia
yoo-lab'-i-ah
From G2126; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): - fear (-ed).

Ecclesiastes 12:13

King James Version

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

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Ecclesiastes 12:13 in all English translations

Mortimer , It doesn't mean to be scared of God but to fear His wrath and anger if you don't obey the Commandments.

Likkmee · Jun 14, 2022

Mortimer said:
The following text proves we are to fear Almighty God with a terrorizing fear that compels us to obedience. Fear and love cannot be separated. If we love, we fear doing anything that would separate us from the object of our affection. If an earthly father is a strict disciplinarian, children fear him because they fear to displease him and they fear the punishment or chastisement he will enforce. God is a strict Disciplinarian and He demands obedience. This is the generation of apostasy--people are unrepentant, walking in their own ways because they have no fear of God.
There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom 3:18)
Heb 12:25-29 KJV
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
.
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear [G2124]:
.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
G2124
εὐλάβεια
eulabeia
yoo-lab'-i-ah
From G2126; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): - fear (-ed).

Fear ? Nah.
11In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12And the rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights. 13On that very day Noah entered the ark, along with his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and his wife, and the three wives of his sons—

TNHarley · Jun 14, 2022

Considering he "rules with a sword," I would say yes. Obey him or you will be punished.
If you believe in that sort of thing.

Cougarbear · Jun 14, 2022

Mortimer said:
The following text proves we are to fear Almighty God with a terrorizing fear that compels us to obedience. Fear and love cannot be separated. If we love, we fear doing anything that would separate us from the object of our affection. If an earthly father is a strict disciplinarian, children fear him because they fear to displease him and they fear the punishment or chastisement he will enforce. God is a strict Disciplinarian and He demands obedience. This is the generation of apostasy--people are unrepentant, walking in their own ways because they have no fear of God.
There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom 3:18)
Heb 12:25-29 KJV
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
.
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear [G2124]:
.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
G2124
εὐλάβεια
eulabeia
yoo-lab'-i-ah
From G2126; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): - fear (-ed).

Sometimes we have to step away from the puzzle and view it from a different perspective to get perspective. In a TV show, Kung Fu, back in the 1970's, Kane said that the right amount of fear gives us clarity and focus on the puzzle. Too much fear causes tunnel vision and loss of perspective and vision of what is occurring. To fear God is to focus on His laws and commandments that we need to follow. Not to be frightened by God because that would cause tunnel vision and loss of understanding of the law and commandment.

Let's take a current example, homosexual acts are a sin according to both OT and NT. The Jew or Christian can take this to extremes and set aside our social government laws and persecute, beat and kill homosexuals because of their hatred or the fright homosexuals give them. At the same time, the so-called liberated liberal atheist, Jew or Christian can also be deceived into hatred through their over-emotional response to the rejection of homosexual acts. And, by doing so, break several other commandments of the OT and NT. The same is with the abortion debate as well. We have the far right and far left attacking medical clinics of both sides trying to assist in abortions and assist pregnant women who are contemplating abortions and talking them out of it.

If we take a step back regardless of what side of the issue you may be on, and apply the idea to properly fear God in the proper amounts to keep clarity and proper focus, we may see that we can come to agreements while holding to our beliefs and ideologies. We can be patient and debate and discuss trying to understand each other's point of views. By doing so, we can still fear and focus on God, teaching His laws and commandments without falling into condemnation of God's laws and commandments by breaking others like murder, coveting and dishonor our mothers and fathers.

thomasmariel · Jul 21, 2022

God needs to be feared, outside myself, because God (Trisl Summers) is a symbiosis junkie. What I mean by this, is that she is a relentless activator of reaction (left-wing morality) to sociology physics (i.e. people having to share walking up ladder reality, or how people share their resources in the domestic household, but obviously not in the Buckingham palace household) through the movie character = real person pseudo-equation. In other words, I have to accept Barlow's command to me, that I should blow up while doing the vacuum hovering in the house, while on the staircase, if I want to believe in Arr Tanya's computation story with me.

An extraction, I managed to pick up, shortly after the event this morning, while doing the housework, was this:

When people are in a church, in order to be safe from God, using the roadmap of capitalist physics was always the cartoon friendly animals reality all along (including casinos, money, financial notes, banks, gambling societies, private jets, etc) in the event, that they have to leave the church, still being connected to my mind (Thomas Heath's mind), in which my mind is of the disposition, that theology hates humanity because humanity can use physics while seeing inevitability, they can borrow my switch on the Penn Manor Hospital bureaucracy reality in their brains, so that God can't force the needless sight to be anything it doesn't want to be.

To the actress, Neve Campbell:
please, believe in the concept, part of this overall communication, that if you are borrowed outer space, to your household, you have the ability to be a free distributor of socialism physics to the people of Earth in St Michaels church.

To the people of Earth:
Capitalism's inversion, i.e. the friendly animals reference, is derivative of theology hating the non-irony, that liberalism can be a matrix that exists as an adaptive force.

Stann · Feb 2, 2023

Mortimer said:
The following text proves we are to fear Almighty God with a terrorizing fear that compels us to obedience. Fear and love cannot be separated. If we love, we fear doing anything that would separate us from the object of our affection. If an earthly father is a strict disciplinarian, children fear him because they fear to displease him and they fear the punishment or chastisement he will enforce. God is a strict Disciplinarian and He demands obedience. This is the generation of apostasy--people are unrepentant, walking in their own ways because they have no fear of God.
There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom 3:18)
Heb 12:25-29 KJV
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
.
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear [G2124]:
.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
G2124
εὐλάβεια
eulabeia
yoo-lab'-i-ah
From G2126; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): - fear (-ed).

The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. I think not. You cannot love someone you fear. It's not real love, just a sick version of it that manipulates the person into cooperation and obedience as part of the tribe ( in this case ). The premise of all of these type statements is based on tribal religions of the Old Testament. Unfortunately they were adopted by Christians and became part of that religion. Adversely detracting from the message Jesus was attempting to spread.

buttercup · Feb 2, 2023

Wow, some of you guys are totally misunderstanding what 'fear of the Lord' means.

The original word translated as 'fear' means deep reverence / awe.

It doesn't mean being "terrorized" as if God is evil, for crying out loud. :lol:

Stann · Feb 2, 2023

buttercup said:
Wow, some of you guys are totally misunderstanding what 'fear of the Lord' means.

The original word translated as 'fear' means deep reverence / awe.

It doesn't mean being "terrorized" as if God is evil, for crying out loud.

Poor analogy at best. The Old Testament gods were all tribal gods. A god you do not fear doesn't have much power over you and is weak. Can't protect the tribe.

buttercup · Feb 2, 2023

Stann said:
Poor analogy at best. The Old Testament gods were all tribal gods. A god you do not fear doesn't have much power over you and is weak. Can't protect the tribe.

There are no Old Testament "gods" plural. There is only one God.

And you can have your twisted, upside-down version of God if you want, but your perception is not reality.

Stann · Feb 3, 2023

Stann said:
Poor analogy at best. The Old Testament gods were all tribal gods. A god you do not fear doesn't have much power over you and is weak. Can't protect the tribe.

Even IF it was simply awe. It still requires submission to that god.

buttercup · Feb 3, 2023

Stann said:
Even IF it was simply awe. It still requires submission to that god.

Yes, but you're still seeing it as a bad thing, which just shows you don't know God.

Stann · Feb 3, 2023

Stann said:
Even IF it was simply awe. It still requires submission to that god.

You do not understand the Old Testament at all. It is a very complex collection throughout time of the Hebrew faith which changed with whoever was dominating the region at the time. Modern day Christianity has it's basis in no less than 14 religions, it is a composite religion. Begining with the Zoroastrians.

Stann · Feb 3, 2023

buttercup said:
Yes, but you're still seeing it as a bad thing, which just shows you don't know God.

Tribal gods are bad things in the modern world. They are constantly wrongly judging people. That's why our legal system is based on ( pagan ) ethics rather than ( Christian ) morals. Ethics are universally non- judgemental thus more equal and fair to everyone.

buttercup · Feb 3, 2023

Stann said:
Tribal gods are bad things in the modern world. They are constantly wrongly judging people. That's why our legal system is based on ( pagan ) ethics rather than ( Christian ) morals. Ethics are universally non- judgemental thus more equal and fair to everyone.

I'm not going to repeat myself again. According to the bible (not to mention according to common sense) there is only one God. Not many "gods."

And God doesn't wrongly judge anyone. I mean, maybe your twisted perception of God does, but your upside-down perception comes from your hate and anti-christian bias, it's not the reality.

Stann · Feb 3, 2023

buttercup said:
I'm not going to repeat myself again. According to the bible (not to mention according to common sense) there is only one God. Not many "gods."

And God doesn't wrongly judge anyone. I mean, maybe your twisted perception of God does, but your upside-down perception comes from your hate and anti-christian bias, it's not the reality.

Just because you actually believe a myth is reality doesn't make it so. But you do have the right to believe it if you want as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on others.

buttercup · Feb 3, 2023

Stann said:
Just because you actually believe a myth is reality doesn't make it so. But you do have the right to believe it if you want as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on others.

Did you think that us having this discussion is trying to force you to believe? I would never try to force anyone. Not only would that be wrong, but it doesn't even work that way anyway.

But it's not a myth. I wouldn't believe something if I didn't have valid, compelling reasons to believe. And there are.

There are plenty of myths... but ironically, the myths are many of the things those of us who went to public school were taught as truth.

I gotta go, so I'll leave it at that.

CarlinAnnArbor · Feb 3, 2023

buttercup said:
Wow, some of you guys are totally misunderstanding what 'fear of the Lord' means.

The original word translated as 'fear' means deep reverence / awe.

It doesn't mean being "terrorized" as if God is evil, for crying out loud.

The irony is that the very ones who NEED to fear God, DON'T.

They will -- as they take their last breath. The instant they reawaken they will stand before the Creator of all that exists to ACCOUNT for their time they were given on this earth

Batcat · Feb 3, 2023

Hossfly said:
Ecclesiastes 12:13

King James Version

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Read full chapter
Ecclesiastes 12:13 in all English translations

Mortimer , It doesn't mean to be scared of God but to fear His wrath and anger if you don't obey the Commandments.

I would say you don’t have to be absolutely terrified of the Christian God but you should have total respect for his power and who he is.

Keep in ind the Bible was written in different languages and often it is hard to translate the exact meaning of a word to a diff ent language.

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Meaning of the fear of the Lord
The main Hebrew and Greek words translated fear in the Bible can have several shades of meaning, but in the context of the fear of the Lord, they convey a positive reverence.

The Hebrew verb yare can mean “to fear, to respect, to reverence” and the Hebrew noun yirah“usually refers to the fear of God and is viewed as a positive quality. This fear acknowledges God’s good intentions (Exodus 20:20). … This fear is produced by God’s Word (Psalm 119:38; Proverbs 2:5) and makes a person receptive to wisdom and knowledge (Proverbs 1:7; 9:10)” (Warren Baker and Eugene Carpenter, The Complete Word Study Dictionary: Old Testament, 2003, pp. 470-471).

The Greek noun phobos can mean “reverential fear” of God, “not a mere ‘fear’ of His power and righteous retribution, but a wholesome dread of displeasing Him” (Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1985, “Fear, Fearful, Fearfulness”). This is the type of positive, productive fear Luke describes in the early New Testament Church:

“Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied” (Acts 9:31, emphasis added).

One resource includes this helpful summary: “The fear of God is an attitude of respect, a response of reverence and wonder. It is the only appropriate response to our Creator and Redeemer” (Nelson’s NKJV Study Bible, 1997, note on Psalm 128:1).

luiza · Feb 3, 2023