Do Republicans need a Plan B for Obamacare?

[Listening]

Thats the way our elections work isn't it?

Obama specifically ran on passing a healthcare bill in 2008. He won election in a landslide

The people have spoken

Well, that would be nice (if it fit your comment)

So explain to me the historic loss of the house by the dems in 2010.

Houses have been lost before. Far from Historic
Republicans gerrymandered themselves a house and won a house

Democrats won a 60 seat Senate majority, the House, and the White House

Beat that

Whine about how...the fact remains that the democrats somehow managed to lose the house two years after your so-called landslide. Something that you guys were laughing at in 2009 (i.e. the GOP is dead).

They also got some of the senate back in 2010. They would have had more had they not run Morons in at least four states.

But that is not the point.

We, the people isn't 100% of the people.

And so you are saying that the GOP winning back the house really isn't the people speaking ?

 

[DiamondDave]

Exactly

Fact is, Republicans will not stand behind any bill that has healthcare in it

It is a third rail with Conservatives

Again, you imbecile.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, IMPLEMENT, SUBSIDIZE, FORCE PURCHASE IN, MANAGE, OR FACILITATE ANY UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

The American people say it is their job

Except it is not what Americans say or want... it is about what is charged in the constitution... a bet a lot of Americans would want guaranteed sex and free cars, does not make it the job of government

 

[DiamondDave]

Starting Jan 1, come hell or highwater, millions of Americans will have Obamacare insurance

Republicans are banking their 2014 election chances on repealing Obamacare. What are they going to offer the millions of Americans who lose their coverage?

Yep.......after having their current low cost policy that they personally selected and liked cancelled because the gubmint knew what was better for them than they did......at a higher price. Yeah, that's a winning strategy. I'm sure you wouldn't mind at all if the gubmint took away your Birkenstock sandals and told you to wear Brooks Brothers wingtips because they are really what you need.

We will see about that won't we?

Voters can decide whether they have better policies than they had before Obamacare. For those without insurance, the answer is easy. For those who were forced to switch policies, they can decide if they got a better policy for the money and vote accordingly

Since the Republicans are only offering to take away peoples policies, I like the Democrats chances in 2014

1) Most are not getting 'better for the money'
2) Nobody is saying to take away policies.... open up the competition and make a SIMPLE LAW that states that an insurance offering cannot be withheld for pre-existing condition... and much like a person with a driving record, you may not get things cheap, but at least you have the opportunity to insure yourself IF YOU SO CHOOSE.. or you may go health savings.. or you may go to be billed and go bankrupt.. or you may turn to ask for help from charity or whatever else.. but it is NOT The job of government

 

[rightwinger]

Again, you imbecile.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, IMPLEMENT, SUBSIDIZE, FORCE PURCHASE IN, MANAGE, OR FACILITATE ANY UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

The American people say it is their job

Except it is not what Americans say or want... it is about what is charged in the constitution... a bet a lot of Americans would want guaranteed sex and free cars, does not make it the job of government

The American people overwhelmingly elected a House, Senate and President that pledged they would provide a healthcare plan

The US Supreme Court ruled that plan was Constitutional

Whine as much as you like, but healthcare is the job of the government. If you, personally do not want it to be, you are welcome to try to change it

 

[Listening]

Again, you imbecile.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, IMPLEMENT, SUBSIDIZE, FORCE PURCHASE IN, MANAGE, OR FACILITATE ANY UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

The American people say it is their job

Except it is not what Americans say or want... it is about what is charged in the constitution... a bet a lot of Americans would want guaranteed sex and free cars, does not make it the job of government

You know it and I know it. But people like RightWinger join Obama in using the Constitution to wipe their asses.

It's whatever fits their purposes.

You know...."you didn't do that...somebody else did that".....

 

[GHook93]

What if Obamacare works?

That is like saying what if the square tire for a car works! When the concept it flawed to the core, you don't need to ask what if it works.

I mean what if the tasteless lead filled candy bars laced with rat poisoning works also? Much the same question methink!

 

[GHook93]

What if ObamaCare works?

That's their fear. I described it several times as seeing sausage being made vs the taste of sausage.

Once ACA starts working and people stop being raped by their Insurance policies or it goes straight single payer people will like it. So repubs have to describe every part of making the sausage as being the next terrible thing. OMG someone got dropped! OMG the website! OMG! OMG!

Starting Jan 1, come hell or highwater, millions of Americans will have Obamacare insurance

Republicans are banking their 2014 election chances on repealing Obamacare. What are they going to offer the millions of Americans who lose their coverage?

Did you honestly say million? Inflating the number much. They are talking hundreds of thousands at best not millions. Heck, the so-called revamped Obaminationcare website couldn't even accommodate the traffic to get to million by Jan 1!

 

[Listening]

The American people say it is their job

Except it is not what Americans say or want... it is about what is charged in the constitution... a bet a lot of Americans would want guaranteed sex and free cars, does not make it the job of government

The American people overwhelmingly elected a House, Senate and President that pledged they would provide a healthcare plan

The US Supreme Court ruled that plan was Constitutional

Whine as much as you like, but healthcare is the job of the government. If you, personally do not want it to be, you are welcome to try to change it

They voted against the GOP in disgust of George Bush....and I don't blame them for being disgusted with Bush....

They had already put the senate and house in the hands of the democrats in 2006. So, your fairy tale isn't so wonderful. That was anti-war.

Obama promised a lot of things....and has failed to deliver on most of them.

In 2010, the people gave the house back to the GOP (primarily on health care) and almost gave the senate to the GOP.

The SCOTUS didn't declare it constitutional. They didn't declare it unconstitutional either (although 4 justices said it was in their dissent). They are letting it stand.

And you still have not explained we the people and who that is ?

The job of healthcare is the job of the government.....hahahaha. They are simply inserting themselves into the insurance business (and failing miserably). Get your fact straight.

And you bet, we are working to change it. Although the way Obummer and Sebelius are handling things...they might not need any help.

 

[GHook93]

I can tell you I am not at all worried about Obamacare working. Im more concerned about what's going to happen if I win the lottery. And I don't buy lottery tickets.

That is the GOP Plan in a nutshell

The GOP echo chamber has been chanting "Obamacare must fail" for so long they can't envision a scenario where that does not happen.

In fact, there is very little chance Obamacare will fail. People will sign up for Obamacare Exchanges. People who formerly did not have health insurance will have it

The only "Fail" will be Republicans trying to take it away from them

Hey asshole, why do you think the delayed the employer mandate YET AGAIN under after the 2014 midterm election? They know shit hits the fan when plans change dramatically and the premiums and deductibles SKYROCKET!!!

 

[Listening]

I can tell you I am not at all worried about Obamacare working. Im more concerned about what's going to happen if I win the lottery. And I don't buy lottery tickets.

That is the GOP Plan in a nutshell

The GOP echo chamber has been chanting "Obamacare must fail" for so long they can't envision a scenario where that does not happen.

In fact, there is very little chance Obamacare will fail. People will sign up for Obamacare Exchanges. People who formerly did not have health insurance will have it

The only "Fail" will be Republicans trying to take it away from them

Hey asshole, why do you think the delayed the employer mandate YET AGAIN under after the 2014 midterm election? They know shit hits the fan when plans change dramatically and the premiums and deductibles SKYROCKET!!!

Why wait....what about our Affirmative Action Moron's "fix". What needed fixing.

Funny how ALL OF A SUDDEN these plans became substandard.

These guys need health care to get their heads out of each others asses.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, we need to encourage the market to come up with Plans B,C, D, etc. while still complying with the ACA.
Excepted benefits provide the open door.
They need not be ACA compliant, as long as the entire policy is ACA compliant.
Our patented paid-up benefits rider provides the excepted benefit, which can reduce premiums 60-80% over 36 to 60 months.
Don Levit,CLU,ChFC

Wow.....sounds great

Do you accept credit cards?

 

[Lumpy 1]

Yes, we need to encourage the market to come up with Plans B,C, D, etc. while still complying with the ACA.
Excepted benefits provide the open door.
They need not be ACA compliant, as long as the entire policy is ACA compliant.
Our patented paid-up benefits rider provides the excepted benefit, which can reduce premiums 60-80% over 36 to 60 months.
Don Levit,CLU,ChFC

Was Obama complying with the law when (he) delayed (no congressional approval) the employer mandate until 2015, I don't think so.

 

[DiamondDave]

The American people say it is their job

Except it is not what Americans say or want... it is about what is charged in the constitution... a bet a lot of Americans would want guaranteed sex and free cars, does not make it the job of government

The American people overwhelmingly elected a House, Senate and President that pledged they would provide a healthcare plan

The US Supreme Court ruled that plan was Constitutional

Whine as much as you like, but healthcare is the job of the government. If you, personally do not want it to be, you are welcome to try to change it

Does not matter.. those in the house, senate, and presidency ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION.. not by majority whim or even by minority whim

Yet the supreme court could not cite where in the constitution the power was actually granted.. and decided (against the limits of their own power) to change things themselves and call it a tax....

Sorry charlie.... you may like it because this time it fits your agenda... but you will be the first to scream if they then reverse the tables in a decision (beyond their power) that you do not agree with

All you simply have to do now is show me WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IT IS LISTED AS THEIR JOB...... and no, Article 1 section 8 does not end after the word 'welfare'

 

[Sallow]

Don't type it....Put it in a bill!


Actually after looking at it its just the same ol shit that's been rejected just reheated with gravy

Exactly

Fact is, Republicans will not stand behind any bill that has healthcare in it

It is a third rail with Conservatives

Again, you imbecile.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, IMPLEMENT, SUBSIDIZE, FORCE PURCHASE IN, MANAGE, OR FACILITATE ANY UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

Says who?

 

[Sallow]

Except it is not what Americans say or want... it is about what is charged in the constitution... a bet a lot of Americans would want guaranteed sex and free cars, does not make it the job of government

The American people overwhelmingly elected a House, Senate and President that pledged they would provide a healthcare plan

The US Supreme Court ruled that plan was Constitutional

Whine as much as you like, but healthcare is the job of the government. If you, personally do not want it to be, you are welcome to try to change it

Does not matter.. those in the house, senate, and presidency ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION.. not by majority whim or even by minority whim

Yet the supreme court could not cite where in the constitution the power was actually granted.. and decided (against the limits of their own power) to change things themselves and call it a tax....

Sorry charlie.... you may like it because this time it fits your agenda... but you will be the first to scream if they then reverse the tables in a decision (beyond their power) that you do not agree with

All you simply have to do now is show me WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IT IS LISTED AS THEIR JOB...... and no, Article 1 section 8 does not end after the word 'welfare'

The Constitution allows the congress to legislate, the President to sign the legislation and the Supreme Court to check if it's legal.

You really should read the damn thing sometime.

 

[boedicca]

Republicans have already come up with a Plan B for ObamaCare: repeal it before it's implanted, just like the morning after pill.

 

[Foxfyre]

OK Republicans what is your end game? You are banking the 2014 election on Obamacare must fail.....what happens if it doesn't?


Do Republicans need a Plan B on ObamaCare? - The Week

For years, Republicans have trotted out the same message: ObamaCare is a massive disaster, and the public knows it. And when Healthcare.gov crashed out of the starting gate, that message proved quite resonant.

Which raises a thorny question for the GOP: What if ObamaCare works?

If ObamaCare keeps improving, the GOP's "we told you ObamaCare was a mess" pitch could quickly wear thin. And if it does, Republicans will find themselves in need of a new argument or a legislative alternative.

"For them, it just doesn't matter if Healthcare.gov is working, since ObamaCare is destined to fail, reality be damned!" he added. "At most, the broken website was useful fodder for attacks on the administration. Now that it's made progress, the GOP will revert to its usual declarations that the Affordable Care Act is a hopeless disaster."

Which points to another problem for Republicans: Their anti-ObamaCare crusade will be tough to sustain once people begin to see the law's benefits in action. Mother Jones' Kevin Drum sussed out that point, writing, "Once the benefits of a new program start flowing, it's very, very hard to turn them off."

Do you honestly believe it will work? What basis do you use to determine that? If it does, a whole lot of us will be eating a lot of words for sure. But given that no big federal program in the history of the nation has EVER worked as it was initially envisioned and/or sold, and given the massive lies that were necessary to sell this one, and given the abysmal track record of it so far despite having more than three years to plan it and work out the bugs, you still think it will work?

As for what the Republicans will do if they are successful in getting this albatross from around our necks, there are a number of things they can do and have already recommended, not one requiring another massive, expensive, intrusive, and corruption ridden program.

The Heritage Foundation, while in no means Republican or affiliated with the Republican Party, has published a fully comprehensive healthcare reform program to replace Obamacare here:

After Obamacare Repeal: Moving to Patient-Centered, Market-Based Health Care

 

[william the wie]

Republicans have already come up with a Plan B for ObamaCare: repeal it before it's implanted, just like the morning after pill.

Actually this slow motion trainwreck is the best entertainment on the web.

 

[DiamondDave]

The American people overwhelmingly elected a House, Senate and President that pledged they would provide a healthcare plan

The US Supreme Court ruled that plan was Constitutional

Whine as much as you like, but healthcare is the job of the government. If you, personally do not want it to be, you are welcome to try to change it

Does not matter.. those in the house, senate, and presidency ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION.. not by majority whim or even by minority whim

Yet the supreme court could not cite where in the constitution the power was actually granted.. and decided (against the limits of their own power) to change things themselves and call it a tax....

Sorry charlie.... you may like it because this time it fits your agenda... but you will be the first to scream if they then reverse the tables in a decision (beyond their power) that you do not agree with

All you simply have to do now is show me WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IT IS LISTED AS THEIR JOB...... and no, Article 1 section 8 does not end after the word 'welfare'

The Constitution allows the congress to legislate, the President to sign the legislation and the Supreme Court to check if it's legal.

You really should read the damn thing sometime.

The constitution does allow for the congress to legislate in the areas it is specifically empowered to.... not in any area it wants

The supreme court has no constitutional authority to determine constitutionality nor to change the legislation around.... I have shown the exact charges VERBATIM of the judicial branch many times

Just because the government has overstepped its bounds before and taken power unto itself before, does not mean it is supposed to

 

[boedicca]

Republicans have already come up with a Plan B for ObamaCare: repeal it before it's implanted, just like the morning after pill.

Actually this slow motion trainwreck is the best entertainment on the web.

It would be entertaining if it weren't so tragic for Millions Of People.