Do Republicans need a Plan B for Obamacare?

[Foxfyre]

Republicans have already come up with a Plan B for ObamaCare: repeal it before it's implanted, just like the morning after pill.

Actually this slow motion trainwreck is the best entertainment on the web.

It would be entertaining if it weren't so tragic for Millions Of People.

Amen to that. It might be entertaining to some until you're face to face with the guy who is out of work and without any healthcare insurance because of Obamacare. And his wife, also now without healthcare, earns just enough to keep them from qualifying for any help with their insurance, while they cannot afford to replace it on their current income.

And we can go right down the list here, of real life, honest-to-goodness people who have been seriously injured by this program.

But our Fearless Leader doesn't seem to give a damn does he? It doesn't matter who it hurts. He's now on the record that he won't allow it to be repealed or changed in any significant way while he is in office.

 

[Listening]

The American people overwhelmingly elected a House, Senate and President that pledged they would provide a healthcare plan

The US Supreme Court ruled that plan was Constitutional

Whine as much as you like, but healthcare is the job of the government. If you, personally do not want it to be, you are welcome to try to change it

Does not matter.. those in the house, senate, and presidency ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION.. not by majority whim or even by minority whim

Yet the supreme court could not cite where in the constitution the power was actually granted.. and decided (against the limits of their own power) to change things themselves and call it a tax....

Sorry charlie.... you may like it because this time it fits your agenda... but you will be the first to scream if they then reverse the tables in a decision (beyond their power) that you do not agree with

All you simply have to do now is show me WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IT IS LISTED AS THEIR JOB...... and no, Article 1 section 8 does not end after the word 'welfare'

The Constitution allows the congress to legislate, the President to sign the legislation and the Supreme Court to check if it's legal.

You really should read the damn thing sometime.

Oh for the want of a public education system that actually educated people.

 

[Listening]

Actually this slow motion trainwreck is the best entertainment on the web.

It would be entertaining if it weren't so tragic for Millions Of People.

Amen to that. It might be entertaining to some until you're face to face with the guy who is out of work and without any healthcare insurance because of Obamacare. And his wife, also now without healthcare, earns just enough to keep them from qualifying for any help with their insurance, while they cannot afford to replace it on their current income.

And we can go right down the list here, of real life, honest-to-goodness people who have been seriously injured by this program.

But our Fearless Leader doesn't seem to give a damn does he? It doesn't matter who it hurts. He's now on the record that he won't allow it to be repealed or changed in any significant way while he is in office.

Great post.

No he does not...nor do his minions.

What we had before needed some improvement.

What's so sad is that people actually believed him when he said it would help.

I have not seen my 2500 dollar decrease yet.

 

[kwc57]

First of all, there is no healthcare crisis that mandates changing the entire system. before ACA no one was being denied healthcare. Yes, there were a few problems that needed fixing.

making insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions
eliminating maximum lifetime payments
fixing the outrageous cost of drugs, hospitals, and medical devices.

The real problems could have been fixed with a one page bill.

If the goal was to provide insurance to the 4 or 5 million citizens who did not have it, the govt could have bought each of them a policy for much much less than what ACA is costing, and left the rest of us alone.

ACA is not about healthcare or insurance-----its about a govt takeover of 1/6 of the economy and more socialism.

45,000 thousand Americans dying a year, many more going bankrupt and medical care skyrocketing up isn't a crisis to you?

Obama ran on the ACA..twice.

And won.

Americans thought it was a problem.

Want to place a wager that 45,000 Americans will die each year from now on? Everyone dies. The ACA isn't going to prevent that.

 

[kwc57]

Exactly

Fact is, Republicans will not stand behind any bill that has healthcare in it

It is a third rail with Conservatives

And yet dicks like Dottie will give Heritage credit for much of the bill.

You guys are way past due on your next round of medications.

How many Republicans voted for the Heritage proposal?

At least they had a proposal 20 years ago

The Heritage proposal was just that and it was not legislation. You guys really need to quit pointing to a plan that was rejected by conservatives. You took our leftovers and made it into law. Why couldn't you come up with your own plan instead of ripping off a bad one from a conservative think tank? You can't fix stoopid.

 

[kwc57]

Exactly

Fact is, Republicans will not stand behind any bill that has healthcare in it

It is a third rail with Conservatives

Again, you imbecile.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, IMPLEMENT, SUBSIDIZE, FORCE PURCHASE IN, MANAGE, OR FACILITATE ANY UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

The American people say it is their job

Then the American people need to change the constitution, because that is the document that defines their power and what is legal........not what the people say. This isn't American Idol.

 

[Foxfyre]

First of all, there is no healthcare crisis that mandates changing the entire system. before ACA no one was being denied healthcare. Yes, there were a few problems that needed fixing.

making insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions
eliminating maximum lifetime payments
fixing the outrageous cost of drugs, hospitals, and medical devices.

The real problems could have been fixed with a one page bill.

If the goal was to provide insurance to the 4 or 5 million citizens who did not have it, the govt could have bought each of them a policy for much much less than what ACA is costing, and left the rest of us alone.

ACA is not about healthcare or insurance-----its about a govt takeover of 1/6 of the economy and more socialism.

45,000 thousand Americans dying a year, many more going bankrupt and medical care skyrocketing up isn't a crisis to you?

Obama ran on the ACA..twice.

And won.

Americans thought it was a problem.

Want to place a wager that 45,000 Americans will die each year from now on? Everyone dies. The ACA isn't going to prevent that.

Obama better hope and pray that the ACA doesn't screw up these statistics:

Prior to Obamacare:

•Although single year improvements in mortality were often small, the age-adjusted risk of dying dropped 60 percent from 1935 to 2010.

• Heart disease, cancer, and stroke were among the five leading causes every year between 1935 and 2010.

• The risk of dying decreased for all age groups but was greater for younger age groups with a 94 percent reduction in death rates at 1–4 years compared with a 38 percent decline at 85 years or more.

• Age-adjusted death rates were consistently greater for males than females (for example, 65 percent higher than those for females between 1975 and 1981 compared with 40 percent higher in 2010) as each decreased substantially between 1935 and 2010.

• The risk of dying decreased for all race subgroups of the U.S. population from 1935 to 2010; however, differences persisted between groups (the gap was the widest between 1988 and 1996).
Products - Data Briefs - Number 88 - March 2012

And this under a healthcare system that he, among other things, claimed wasn't working and ACA is systematically dismantling.

 

[BorisTheAnimal]

First of all, there is no healthcare crisis that mandates changing the entire system. before ACA no one was being denied healthcare. Yes, there were a few problems that needed fixing.

making insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions
eliminating maximum lifetime payments
fixing the outrageous cost of drugs, hospitals, and medical devices.

The real problems could have been fixed with a one page bill.
If the goal was to provide insurance to the 4 or 5 million citizens who did not have it, the govt could have bought each of them a policy for much much less than what ACA is costing, and left the rest of us alone.

ACA is not about healthcare or insurance-----its about a govt takeover of 1/6 of the economy and more socialism.

True

One page. Medicare for all

he said a NON-government solution, not more government, dumbass.

 

[rightwinger]

Again, you imbecile.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE, IMPLEMENT, SUBSIDIZE, FORCE PURCHASE IN, MANAGE, OR FACILITATE ANY UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

The American people say it is their job

Then the American people need to change the constitution, because that is the document that defines their power and what is legal........not what the people say. This isn't American Idol.

It is up to the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution........not Internet posters

 

[Listening]

The American people say it is their job

Then the American people need to change the constitution, because that is the document that defines their power and what is legal........not what the people say. This isn't American Idol.

It is up to the Supreme Court to interpret the Onstitution........not Internet posters

Your understanding of the Constitution is pretty vast.

 

[rightwinger]

Then the American people need to change the constitution, because that is the document that defines their power and what is legal........not what the people say. This isn't American Idol.

It is up to the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution........not Internet posters

Your understanding of the Constitution is pretty vast.

Unlike conservatives, I have read more of it than the second amendment

 

[oreo]

OK Republicans what is your end game? You are banking the 2014 election on Obamacare must fail.....what happens if it doesn't?


Do Republicans need a Plan B on ObamaCare? - The Week

For years, Republicans have trotted out the same message: ObamaCare is a massive disaster, and the public knows it. And when Healthcare.gov crashed out of the starting gate, that message proved quite resonant.

Which raises a thorny question for the GOP: What if ObamaCare works?

If ObamaCare keeps improving, the GOP's "we told you ObamaCare was a mess" pitch could quickly wear thin. And if it does, Republicans will find themselves in need of a new argument or a legislative alternative.

"For them, it just doesn't matter if Healthcare.gov is working, since ObamaCare is destined to fail, reality be damned!" he added. "At most, the broken website was useful fodder for attacks on the administration. Now that it's made progress, the GOP will revert to its usual declarations that the Affordable Care Act is a hopeless disaster."

Which points to another problem for Republicans: Their anti-ObamaCare crusade will be tough to sustain once people begin to see the law's benefits in action. Mother Jones' Kevin Drum sussed out that point, writing, "Once the benefits of a new program start flowing, it's very, very hard to turn them off."

Where do you see any signs of it working? The American public was lied to over 40 times by Obama and Democrats regarding being able to keep the policies they liked. The web-site is another disaster. Here we have 5.5 million who had their policies cancelled because of the Obamacare mandates--and now these same 5.5 million have to sign up for Obamacare--which are higher premiums--because of all the mandates- by December 23rd -and they're fairly P.I,.S.S.E.D off right now. So do you really think they're going to be running to the Obamacare exchanges after getting LIED to, to pay double or triple to what they were paying for insurance?

News out today--that young people aren't signing up. We do know that there has been a fire sale going on with the Medicade portion of Obamacare which of course is FREE, and we also know that some of the elderly under 65 group has been signing up--because they're sick and can't live without it. And if young people don't sign up in mass and push the BUY button-to offset all of the medicade and elderly enrollees--Obamacare collapses under it's own weight.

It would appear to me that Obamacare is already in the noted death spiral.

Purpose of Obamacare: to insure the unisured Effect of Obamacare: uninsuring the insured

 

[Trajan]

OK Republicans what is your end game? You are banking the 2014 election on Obamacare must fail.....what happens if it doesn't?


Do Republicans need a Plan B on ObamaCare? - The Week

For years, Republicans have trotted out the same message: ObamaCare is a massive disaster, and the public knows it. And when Healthcare.gov crashed out of the starting gate, that message proved quite resonant.

Which raises a thorny question for the GOP: What if ObamaCare works?

If ObamaCare keeps improving, the GOP's "we told you ObamaCare was a mess" pitch could quickly wear thin. And if it does, Republicans will find themselves in need of a new argument or a legislative alternative.

"For them, it just doesn't matter if Healthcare.gov is working, since ObamaCare is destined to fail, reality be damned!" he added. "At most, the broken website was useful fodder for attacks on the administration. Now that it's made progress, the GOP will revert to its usual declarations that the Affordable Care Act is a hopeless disaster."

Which points to another problem for Republicans: Their anti-ObamaCare crusade will be tough to sustain once people begin to see the law's benefits in action. Mother Jones' Kevin Drum sussed out that point, writing, "Once the benefits of a new program start flowing, it's very, very hard to turn them off."

drum might require some help, re: critical thinking- those benefits are by virtue of a transfer of $$$, or the youngens dumb enough to sign up for this, and a lot of those folks who pay for that transfer are not going to like as we have seen already and Obama, by abrogating written law, he has been putting off the second big trainwreck- they have not hit the small biz or middle to large biz plans yet either though there has been movement...in short drum, like obama desperately want enough folks to flood the Obamacaid plans becasue they think that will rescue them by some huge uproar as they demand to keep what they now have........it won't.

as I have said, at least 20 times, you're just squeezing a balloon, the balloon is being squeezed and the folks at the end getting squeezed are not happy.....just wait till IPAB starts managing the health-care process IF it gets that far....train-wreck no.3......

 

[rightwinger]

OK Republicans what is your end game? You are banking the 2014 election on Obamacare must fail.....what happens if it doesn't?


Do Republicans need a Plan B on ObamaCare? - The Week

For years, Republicans have trotted out the same message: ObamaCare is a massive disaster, and the public knows it. And when Healthcare.gov crashed out of the starting gate, that message proved quite resonant.

Which raises a thorny question for the GOP: What if ObamaCare works?

If ObamaCare keeps improving, the GOP's "we told you ObamaCare was a mess" pitch could quickly wear thin. And if it does, Republicans will find themselves in need of a new argument or a legislative alternative.

"For them, it just doesn't matter if Healthcare.gov is working, since ObamaCare is destined to fail, reality be damned!" he added. "At most, the broken website was useful fodder for attacks on the administration. Now that it's made progress, the GOP will revert to its usual declarations that the Affordable Care Act is a hopeless disaster."

Which points to another problem for Republicans: Their anti-ObamaCare crusade will be tough to sustain once people begin to see the law's benefits in action. Mother Jones' Kevin Drum sussed out that point, writing, "Once the benefits of a new program start flowing, it's very, very hard to turn them off."

drum might require some help, re: critical thinking- those benefits are by virtue of a transfer of $$$, or the youngens dumb enough to sign up for this, and a lot of those folks who pay for that transfer are not going to like as we have seen already and Obama, by abrogating written law, he has been putting off the second big trainwreck- they have not hit the small biz or middle to large biz plans yet either though there has been movement...in short drum, like obama desperately want enough folks to flood the Obamacaid plans becasue they think that will rescue them by some huge uproar as they demand to keep what they now have........it won't.

as I have said, at least 20 times, you're just squeezing a balloon, the balloon is being squeezed and the folks at the end getting squeezed are not happy.....just wait till IPAB starts managing the health-care process IF it gets that far....train-wreck no.3......

Social Security is just a transfer of money from us hard working folks to those old folks who aren't worth anything any more
Our Education system is just a transfer of money from us hard working folks to those little rug rats who can't learn anyway
Military spending is just a transfer of money from us hard working folks to defend countries that don't give a shit about us

 

[Listening]

It is up to the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution........not Internet posters

Your understanding of the Constitution is pretty vast.

Unlike conservatives, I have read more of it than the second amendment

Yes, well....

You might try comprehending it the next time you "read" it.

 

[rightwinger]

Your understanding of the Constitution is pretty vast.

Unlike conservatives, I have read more of it than the second amendment

Yes, well....

You might try comprehending it the next time you "read" it.

Want me to explain how that "We the People" stuff works?

 

[Listening]

Unlike conservatives, I have read more of it than the second amendment

Yes, well....

You might try comprehending it the next time you "read" it.

Want me to explain how that "We the People" stuff works?

You claimed that We The People voted in Obama so Obama is the man.

When I asked about the dems getting their asses kicked out of congress (and becoming the minority party) in 2010....well, you kind shut up.

I wish you'd do that more.

If you want to give us your take on the We The People...please. But in your case, it would be "We the morons....".

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, well....

You might try comprehending it the next time you "read" it.

Want me to explain how that "We the People" stuff works?

You claimed that We The People voted in Obama so Obama is the man.

When I asked about the dems getting their asses kicked out of congress (and becoming the minority party) in 2010....well, you kind shut up.

I wish you'd do that more.

If you want to give us your take on the We The People...please. But in your case, it would be "We the morons....".

Does the GOP echo chamber really tell you that the Democrats are the minority party?

 

[The Rabbi]

Unlike conservatives, I have read more of it than the second amendment

Yes, well....

You might try comprehending it the next time you "read" it.

Want me to explain how that "We the People" stuff works?

Is that when voters overwhelmingly pass a measure recognizing marriage as between a man and a woman and some judge tells them they're wrong?

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, well....

You might try comprehending it the next time you "read" it.

Want me to explain how that "We the People" stuff works?

Is that when voters overwhelmingly pass a measure recognizing marriage as between a man and a woman and some judge tells them they're wrong?

Yes it is..
It is one of the strongest elements of our Constitution

Checks and Balances

Thanks for bringing it up