do moderate dems and independent voters still believe Biden is a moderate ?

Biden is a figurehead

Whoever tells him what to say and where sign is not a moderate
 
imo a test will be whether the gop can accept any tax hikes on upper earners and corporations up to ... say 24-25%, and if Biden can accept not raising taxes on anyone making $400-450,000.

If the gop can't accept that, don't bitch about Biden not being a moderate. IF they can't, He'll jam it up the gop's ass if he can get 50 votes.

And FYI, I would prefer to limit any tax hikes on individuals to those making $500K and more. And eliminating cap gains and just treating them as income, and not having any step up basis for those worth more than a couple of million
Because we know the middle class will take the biggest hit. I known CNN tells you different but the facts say otherwise.
No the middle class is not going to see any tax hikes from the natl govt. Biden's repeatedly answered this. They may see some cost increases if the corp tax is raised as much as the dems initially proposed.

And the thread is something of a misstatement. Biden's never been "a moderate." He's self identified as pretty much a New Dealer pre-Reagan type of dem. But he is a guy who will compromise, and has many times ... even with Trump's asswiping McConnell
 
imo a test will be whether the gop can accept any tax hikes on upper earners and corporations up to ... say 24-25%, and if Biden can accept not raising taxes on anyone making $400-450,000.

If the gop can't accept that, don't bitch about Biden not being a moderate. IF they can't, He'll jam it up the gop's ass if he can get 50 votes.

And FYI, I would prefer to limit any tax hikes on individuals to those making $500K and more. And eliminating cap gains and just treating them as income, and not having any step up basis for those worth more than a couple of million
Because we know the middle class will take the biggest hit. I known CNN tells you different but the facts say otherwise.
No the middle class is not going to see any tax hikes from the natl govt. Biden's repeatedly answered this. They may see some cost increases if the corp tax is raised as much as the dems initially proposed.

And the thread is something of a misstatement. Biden's never been "a moderate." He's self identified as pretty much a New Dealer pre-Reagan type of dem. But he is a guy who will compromise, and has many times ... even with Trump's asswiping McConnell
You live in the land of make believe.
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
Moderate independents do.

You're not
 
You guys are missing the elephant in the room. Biden has dementia & doesn't call anything.

As for you PROGS, if everyone swapped genders and we were taxed 50% into poverty you fuckers would call that shit moderate.
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
Moderate independents do.

You're not
You are so far out in right field, you'd need scientific quality telescope, just to identify the silhouette of an independent. We don't get out your way much.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
dems won the election and they still aint happy . heck they seem angrier [especially the dem leaders ]than ever .
Which ones? Haven't noticed. Most of the stories seem to be about unhappy republicans. Trumpy is pissed at his VP for not overthrowing the election and he also called McConnell a dumb ass, even though McConnell was the minority leader that kept him from being convicted during impeachment twice and even voted against impeachment himself. Republicans in Georgia are upset that Coke, Delta Airlines, Major League baseball and some others disapprove of the republicans attacking the voting of the majority of the state, just because they didn't vote the way they wanted. Gaetz is pretty unhappy, his buddy going to take a plea deal and probably testify against him. So, who's upset besides the republicans. Just looked at Drudge and Memorandum, but didn't see any unhappy democrats.


Omigawd are you delusional. The insanely hateful people burning up cities, looting and terrorizing people are Lefties, swampy.

Normal people just want to be left alone and don't have politics as the locus of their identities. You Prog Dupes do.
You have seen "Dem leaders" rioting in the street? Give us a name. The rioters ("dem leaders" not among them) are back because it is more comfortable to riot in 65degrees than 25 degrees.
You really need to talk to the democrat mayors and governors. They are the ones putting up with it, as it is local to them and they think hands off as much as possible is the way to go. Not like that in Tennessee, so we didn't have the problem in the whole state. Local leadership is the problem not national leaders a thousand miles away. Bitching about national leaders won't make local politicians take a different tactic.
So Trump is not responsible for any of the rioting?
Definitely responsible for the attack on the capital. Rioters of the BLM (horrible slogan name) was not a reaction to trump, but spurred by bad leadership at the local level to local and non-local events and then copy cat extremism to get free shit. Trump's belligerence and quiet support of militias, proud boys, etc certainly did not help.
your dem palls have been rioting since Obama was POTUS. the dems are pushing a marxist agenda i know it you know it the whole world knows it .
 
He's definitely governing more to the Left than I had expected.

I'd rather he didn't.

And yet, I remain so relieved that he replaced the former guy. So fuckin' relieved.
im afraid you wont feel that way a year from now ! if the left gets their way this country is in for some hard times .:(
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
The detractors of the popular President are often hyper-ideological, and need to issue their predictable ideological verdicts.

Some folks were vehemently opposed to his election, and those folks are not happy with democracy.



In actuality, the President's policies are populist, again and again receiving the approval of the majority of Americans who elected him. Party affiliation is a significant determinant, but his support among registered independents (55%) is revelatory.

If a president's policies depart too far from the wishes of the American people, his approval plummets. Biden's remains above 50% in survey after survey.

What is striking for such a populist is the generally simpatico response from the corporate sector, especially concerning social justice and environmental issues. The alliance of traditionally divergent interest groups is notable. Typically, it is cast as "the people" vs "the elite".

His covid relief plan, his repair of international alliances, his revived respect for science, his again prioritizing infrastructure renewal, his safeguarding the DACA program, his resolve to finally end the "forever war", etc. all have majoritarian support.

In general, Biden's approval is higher among younger, better educated Americans, and there is greater support among females than males but, overall, the popularly-elected populist President is reflecting the will of the People.


aaaaand the left is rioting again in several cities .
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
The detractors of the popular President are often hyper-ideological, and need to issue their predictable ideological verdicts.

Some folks were vehemently opposed to his election, and those folks are not happy with democracy.



In actuality, the President's policies are populist, again and again receiving the approval of the majority of Americans who elected him. Party affiliation is a significant determinant, but his support among registered independents (55%) is revelatory.

If a president's policies depart too far from the wishes of the American people, his approval plummets. Biden's remains above 50% in survey after survey.

What is striking for such a populist is the generally simpatico response from the corporate sector, especially concerning social justice and environmental issues. The alliance of traditionally divergent interest groups is notable. Typically, it is cast as "the people" vs "the elite".

His covid relief plan, his repair of international alliances, his revived respect for science, his again prioritizing infrastructure renewal, his safeguarding the DACA program, his resolve to finally end the "forever war", etc. all have majoritarian support.

In general, Biden's approval is higher among younger, better educated Americans, and there is greater support among females than males but, overall, the popularly-elected populist President is reflecting the will of the People.


a degree in gender studies or some other ridiculous left wing crap isnt what i'd call an education .
 
aaaaand the left is rioting again in several cities .
If there are folks who cling to what has been planted in their noggins by their propaganda media, what they have been trained to call "the left," and if they need to label all legitimate protest in favor or responsible law enforcement as "rioting", that is what they will to do.

Whether the majority of American voters who elected the President are "the left", this is rioting against the police and democracy, provoked by a self-serving, blatant lie:

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a degree in gender studies or some other ridiculous left wing crap isnt what i'd call an education .
You are free to deny whatever academic credentials you have to offer to anyone seeking your validation, of course.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
You do. Because you are one.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
You do. Because you are one.
You are just another cartoon character, a modern day Yosemite Sam.
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many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
President Joe is a moderate. It's just hard for you to see it from waaaaaaayyyyyy out there on the right wing.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
dems won the election and they still aint happy . heck they seem angrier [especially the dem leaders ]than ever .
Which ones? Haven't noticed. Most of the stories seem to be about unhappy republicans. Trumpy is pissed at his VP for not overthrowing the election and he also called McConnell a dumb ass, even though McConnell was the minority leader that kept him from being convicted during impeachment twice and even voted against impeachment himself. Republicans in Georgia are upset that Coke, Delta Airlines, Major League baseball and some others disapprove of the republicans attacking the voting of the majority of the state, just because they didn't vote the way they wanted. Gaetz is pretty unhappy, his buddy going to take a plea deal and probably testify against him. So, who's upset besides the republicans. Just looked at Drudge and Memorandum, but didn't see any unhappy democrats.


Omigawd are you delusional. The insanely hateful people burning up cities, looting and terrorizing people are Lefties, swampy.

Normal people just want to be left alone and don't have politics as the locus of their identities. You Prog Dupes do.
You have seen "Dem leaders" rioting in the street? Give us a name. The rioters ("dem leaders" not among them) are back because it is more comfortable to riot in 65degrees than 25 degrees.
You really need to talk to the democrat mayors and governors. They are the ones putting up with it, as it is local to them and they think hands off as much as possible is the way to go. Not like that in Tennessee, so we didn't have the problem in the whole state. Local leadership is the problem not national leaders a thousand miles away. Bitching about national leaders won't make local politicians take a different tactic.
So Trump is not responsible for any of the rioting?
Definitely responsible for the attack on the capital. Rioters of the BLM (horrible slogan name) was not a reaction to trump, but spurred by bad leadership at the local level to local and non-local events and then copy cat extremism to get free shit. Trump's belligerence and quiet support of militias, proud boys, etc certainly did not help.
your dem palls have been rioting since Obama was POTUS. the dems are pushing a marxist agenda i know it you know it the whole world knows it .

BINGO! The Dems are engaged in an internal coup. Let's stop them.
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
President Joe is a moderate. It's just hard for you to see it from waaaaaaayyyyyy out there on the right wing.

Oh for pity's sake. This really pins the bogometer. Xiden is not a moderate. He's a corrupt political hack who will say anything to obtain power and who peddles influence to enrich his awful family.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
dems won the election and they still aint happy . heck they seem angrier [especially the dem leaders ]than ever .
Which ones? Haven't noticed. Most of the stories seem to be about unhappy republicans. Trumpy is pissed at his VP for not overthrowing the election and he also called McConnell a dumb ass, even though McConnell was the minority leader that kept him from being convicted during impeachment twice and even voted against impeachment himself. Republicans in Georgia are upset that Coke, Delta Airlines, Major League baseball and some others disapprove of the republicans attacking the voting of the majority of the state, just because they didn't vote the way they wanted. Gaetz is pretty unhappy, his buddy going to take a plea deal and probably testify against him. So, who's upset besides the republicans. Just looked at Drudge and Memorandum, but didn't see any unhappy democrats.


Omigawd are you delusional. The insanely hateful people burning up cities, looting and terrorizing people are Lefties, swampy.

Normal people just want to be left alone and don't have politics as the locus of their identities. You Prog Dupes do.
You have seen "Dem leaders" rioting in the street? Give us a name. The rioters ("dem leaders" not among them) are back because it is more comfortable to riot in 65degrees than 25 degrees.
You really need to talk to the democrat mayors and governors. They are the ones putting up with it, as it is local to them and they think hands off as much as possible is the way to go. Not like that in Tennessee, so we didn't have the problem in the whole state. Local leadership is the problem not national leaders a thousand miles away. Bitching about national leaders won't make local politicians take a different tactic.
So Trump is not responsible for any of the rioting?
Definitely responsible for the attack on the capital. Rioters of the BLM (horrible slogan name) was not a reaction to trump, but spurred by bad leadership at the local level to local and non-local events and then copy cat extremism to get free shit. Trump's belligerence and quiet support of militias, proud boys, etc certainly did not help.
your dem palls have been rioting since Obama was POTUS. the dems are pushing a marxist agenda i know it you know it the whole world knows it .

BINGO! The Dems are engaged in an internal coup. Let's stop them.
One could successfully argue, the republicans have been pushing a coup against representative democracy to thwart the constitution itself, since being the minority, they lack the power to achieve rule over the majority any other way, and advocate stopping at nothing to achieve their goal of minority rule.
Here is a well written article from 3 days ago by Jonathan V. Last of The Bullwork outlining that point.
Reading the Republican Autopsy
It's real, and it's spectacular.
Excerpt:

There are three ways to capture the presidency:

(1) Win a lot more votes than the opposing candidate.

(2) Get fewer votes, but win pluralities in enough states to get 270 certified and counted Electoral Votes.

(3) Get fewer votes and fewer Electoral Votes, but prevent the official counting and certification of the Electoral Votes—and then win a majority of state delegations when the contest is shifted to Congress.

You can win the presidency even while getting blown out in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, provided your party:

  • Controls the House and Senate.
  • Constitutes a congressional majority in 26 states.
  • Has sufficient raw political will.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
dems won the election and they still aint happy . heck they seem angrier [especially the dem leaders ]than ever .
Which ones? Haven't noticed. Most of the stories seem to be about unhappy republicans. Trumpy is pissed at his VP for not overthrowing the election and he also called McConnell a dumb ass, even though McConnell was the minority leader that kept him from being convicted during impeachment twice and even voted against impeachment himself. Republicans in Georgia are upset that Coke, Delta Airlines, Major League baseball and some others disapprove of the republicans attacking the voting of the majority of the state, just because they didn't vote the way they wanted. Gaetz is pretty unhappy, his buddy going to take a plea deal and probably testify against him. So, who's upset besides the republicans. Just looked at Drudge and Memorandum, but didn't see any unhappy democrats.


Omigawd are you delusional. The insanely hateful people burning up cities, looting and terrorizing people are Lefties, swampy.

Normal people just want to be left alone and don't have politics as the locus of their identities. You Prog Dupes do.
You have seen "Dem leaders" rioting in the street? Give us a name. The rioters ("dem leaders" not among them) are back because it is more comfortable to riot in 65degrees than 25 degrees.
You really need to talk to the democrat mayors and governors. They are the ones putting up with it, as it is local to them and they think hands off as much as possible is the way to go. Not like that in Tennessee, so we didn't have the problem in the whole state. Local leadership is the problem not national leaders a thousand miles away. Bitching about national leaders won't make local politicians take a different tactic.
So Trump is not responsible for any of the rioting?
Definitely responsible for the attack on the capital. Rioters of the BLM (horrible slogan name) was not a reaction to trump, but spurred by bad leadership at the local level to local and non-local events and then copy cat extremism to get free shit. Trump's belligerence and quiet support of militias, proud boys, etc certainly did not help.
your dem palls have been rioting since Obama was POTUS. the dems are pushing a marxist agenda i know it you know it the whole world knows it .

BINGO! The Dems are engaged in an internal coup. Let's stop them.
One could successfully argue, the republicans have been pushing a coup against representative democracy to thwart the constitution itself, since being the minority, they lack the power to achieve rule over the majority any other way, and advocate stopping at nothing to achieve their goal of minority rule.
Here is a well written article from 3 days ago by Jonathan V. Last of The Bullwork outlining that point.
Reading the Republican Autopsy
It's real, and it's spectacular.
Excerpt:

There are three ways to capture the presidency:

(1) Win a lot more votes than the opposing candidate.

(2) Get fewer votes, but win pluralities in enough states to get 270 certified and counted Electoral Votes.

(3) Get fewer votes and fewer Electoral Votes, but prevent the official counting and certification of the Electoral Votes—and then win a majority of state delegations when the contest is shifted to Congress.

You can win the presidency even while getting blown out in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, provided your party:

  • Controls the House and Senate.
  • Constitutes a congressional majority in 26 states.
  • Has sufficient raw political will.


Oh blah blah blah so sleepy....zzzzzz

The GOP has its issues being part of the Global Uniparty. But when it power, they haven't tried to eliminate the Electoral College, pack the supreme court, federalize voting fraud, opened borders to Covid positive illegal immigrants, colluded with teachers' unions to keep kids at home while teachers are on perpetual paid vacation....

Your attempt at moral equivalency is an EPIC FAIL.
 
The only Dems and independents who still think Xiden is a moderate keep repeating:

"Joe Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Have you noticed we mostly only see the frowning angry Biden now, he's losing it.
ever see a happy marxist ? me neither .
That's nothing. I haven't seen a happy trumpkins in 5 months, and nobody cares about any Marxists, anyway.:D
dems won the election and they still aint happy . heck they seem angrier [especially the dem leaders ]than ever .
Which ones? Haven't noticed. Most of the stories seem to be about unhappy republicans. Trumpy is pissed at his VP for not overthrowing the election and he also called McConnell a dumb ass, even though McConnell was the minority leader that kept him from being convicted during impeachment twice and even voted against impeachment himself. Republicans in Georgia are upset that Coke, Delta Airlines, Major League baseball and some others disapprove of the republicans attacking the voting of the majority of the state, just because they didn't vote the way they wanted. Gaetz is pretty unhappy, his buddy going to take a plea deal and probably testify against him. So, who's upset besides the republicans. Just looked at Drudge and Memorandum, but didn't see any unhappy democrats.


Omigawd are you delusional. The insanely hateful people burning up cities, looting and terrorizing people are Lefties, swampy.

Normal people just want to be left alone and don't have politics as the locus of their identities. You Prog Dupes do.
You have seen "Dem leaders" rioting in the street? Give us a name. The rioters ("dem leaders" not among them) are back because it is more comfortable to riot in 65degrees than 25 degrees.
You really need to talk to the democrat mayors and governors. They are the ones putting up with it, as it is local to them and they think hands off as much as possible is the way to go. Not like that in Tennessee, so we didn't have the problem in the whole state. Local leadership is the problem not national leaders a thousand miles away. Bitching about national leaders won't make local politicians take a different tactic.
So Trump is not responsible for any of the rioting?
Definitely responsible for the attack on the capital. Rioters of the BLM (horrible slogan name) was not a reaction to trump, but spurred by bad leadership at the local level to local and non-local events and then copy cat extremism to get free shit. Trump's belligerence and quiet support of militias, proud boys, etc certainly did not help.
your dem palls have been rioting since Obama was POTUS. the dems are pushing a marxist agenda i know it you know it the whole world knows it .

BINGO! The Dems are engaged in an internal coup. Let's stop them.
One could successfully argue, the republicans have been pushing a coup against representative democracy to thwart the constitution itself, since being the minority, they lack the power to achieve rule over the majority any other way, and advocate stopping at nothing to achieve their goal of minority rule.
Here is a well written article from 3 days ago by Jonathan V. Last of The Bullwork outlining that point.
Reading the Republican Autopsy
It's real, and it's spectacular.
Excerpt:

There are three ways to capture the presidency:

(1) Win a lot more votes than the opposing candidate.

(2) Get fewer votes, but win pluralities in enough states to get 270 certified and counted Electoral Votes.

(3) Get fewer votes and fewer Electoral Votes, but prevent the official counting and certification of the Electoral Votes—and then win a majority of state delegations when the contest is shifted to Congress.

You can win the presidency even while getting blown out in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, provided your party:

  • Controls the House and Senate.
  • Constitutes a congressional majority in 26 states.
  • Has sufficient raw political will.
I wouldn't call it a coup (although Trump tried) but yes the GOP's signature issues over the 8 years of Obama, 4 of Trump and 1 so far of Biden have been lessening progressive taxation despite the maj wishes and repealing Obamacare that not even 50 goper senators ever voted to effectuate. And evne W's tax cut was not popular. Nobody really cared at the time though because the deficits were falling. But imo W attempted to appeal to the majority.
 

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