do moderate dems and independent voters still believe Biden is a moderate ?

imo a test will be whether the gop can accept any tax hikes on upper earners and corporations up to ... say 24-25%, and if Biden can accept not raising taxes on anyone making $400-450,000.

If the gop can't accept that, don't bitch about Biden not being a moderate. IF they can't, He'll jam it up the gop's ass if he can get 50 votes.

And FYI, I would prefer to limit any tax hikes on individuals to those making $500K and more. And eliminating cap gains and just treating them as income, and not having any step up basis for those worth more than a couple of million
Because we know the middle class will take the biggest hit. I known CNN tells you different but the facts say otherwise.
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
Moderate independents do.
And what about Biden's policies do you think marks him as moderate?
He is re-aligning with historic international partners and ally countries., for one thing. Starting with what historically works is a moderate idea, far more than the go it alone or align with totalitarians we had under trump.
I have to repeat my question then as that is not a policy but a platitude. "...re-aligning with historic international partners and ally countries" does not have a meaning. It is a ra-ra bullet point with no meat.

And I am not saying it is not true - just that it tells me nothing of why you think he is a moderate. From my side, he certainly is being better to our allies then Trump was but pretty much sticking with Trumpism via China and all indications are that problems with Russia are simply going to increase and may do so rather drastically. NONE of that makes him a moderate or 'extremist' though. Not being an asshole to your allies is hardly moderate - it is not even a policy. It is just plain normal governance.

Sanders is not a moderate. Rand is not a moderate. Neither would be doing much different with our allies at this moment.
In comparison with trump and trumpism, by being an asshole to our allies, instead of supporting Russia and more extremist centralist ideology leaders is definitely more moderate.
I enjoyed Putin’s slap down of the demential riddled old fool inviting him to a live televised discussion. What a weak minded pathetic leader the leftists stole the election for just because their feelings were hurt. Leaders of the world laugh at Dementia Kid Killing *Joe.
Nobody believes that dementia crap. You failed to convince people with that one too. It is witnessed in Joe's approval polling being in the 60% ranges instead of Donny's 40% range.
 
Re: the thread question. Because they are as dumb as a box of dog turds.
Old senile Joe is about as "moderate" as Karl Marx in some ways and whatever bug that is put in his ear
from his handlers is what he will do.

So the question is moot anyway.
 
many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
Moderate independents do.
bwaaahaaahaaaa ! i was waiting for you to show up ! you claim that you arent a far leftist and i remember you posting that Biden is a moderate and would bring sanity back to America ! we warned you ! now you can live with the radical socialist agenda coming down the pike !

Dude. You're screaming like a partisan harpy. No one sane is taking you seriously.
 
Nobody believes that dementia crap. You failed to convince people with that one too. It is witnessed in Joe's approval polling being in the 60% ranges instead of Donny's 40% range.
Great parody! You really can craft a story.
Look, you pushed that before the election. People did not believe and elected him anyway. Now they approve of what he is doing for the most part, though nobody thrilled about the border. Still, the crap you are pushing, ain't selling. Try Saturday night live.
 
Look, you pushed that before the election. People did not believe and elected him anyway. Now they approve of what he is doing for the most part, though nobody thrilled about the border. Still, the crap you are pushing, ain't selling. Try Saturday night live.
Sure. "Nobody" believes the guy who can't even climb a flight of stairs without falling down a couple of times and doesn't even know the members of his own cabinet isn't just fine.
Whatever you are pushing, bro. :rolleyes:

Save your bullshit for roses.
 
Look, you pushed that before the election. People did not believe and elected him anyway. Now they approve of what he is doing for the most part, though nobody thrilled about the border. Still, the crap you are pushing, ain't selling. Try Saturday night live.
Sure. "Nobody" believes the guy who can't even climb a flight of stairs without falling down a couple of times and doesn't even know the members of his own cabinet isn't just fine.
Whatever you are pushing, bro. :rolleyes:

Save your bullshit for roses.
The Bushes were gaffe machines often demonstrating a lack of presence of mind and tripping over crap, creating a field day at times on Saturday Night live, but they were not suffering dementia either. Donny said so much stupid crap his own cabinet talked about the 25th amendment and he couldn't even walk down a 3% grade ramp.
Your bullshit sure don't smell like roses. A staffer for the G10 republicans lamented today that Biden makes a lousy villain, as they can't get anything to stick and he keep succeeding.
Good luck with your sour grapes.
 
The Bushes were gaffe machines often demonstrating a lack of presence of mind and tripping over crap, creating a field day at times on Saturday Night live, but they were not suffering dementia either. Donny said so much stupid crap his own cabinet talked about the 25th amendment and he couldn't even walk down a 3% grade ramp.
Your bullshit sure don't smell like roses. A staffer for the G10 republicans lamented today that Biden makes a lousy villain, as they can't get anything to stick and he keep succeeding.
Good luck with your sour grapes.
Good luck trying to make me believe some unknown "staffer" says Joe Biden, of all politicians, is coated
with Teflon. Yeah, Joe is as sharp as a tack. :rolleyes:
People love what he's done at the border.
 
do moderate dems and independent voters still believe Biden is a moderate ?


A). I doubt there are many moderate dems around these days.
B). Not sure how you can be radical/extremist yet still remain an independent.
C). I doubt many dems these days even know what a moderate is.
D). Joe Biden is about as moderate as a Habanero mineral oil enema.
 
The Bushes were gaffe machines often demonstrating a lack of presence of mind and tripping over crap, creating a field day at times on Saturday Night live, but they were not suffering dementia either. Donny said so much stupid crap his own cabinet talked about the 25th amendment and he couldn't even walk down a 3% grade ramp.
Your bullshit sure don't smell like roses. A staffer for the G10 republicans lamented today that Biden makes a lousy villain, as they can't get anything to stick and he keep succeeding.
Good luck with your sour grapes.
Good luck trying to make me believe some unknown "staffer" says Joe Biden, of all politicians, is coated
with Teflon. Yeah, Joe is as sharp as a tack. :rolleyes:
People love what he's done at the border.
Well here is part of the story from one souce. But think about it. Did voters buy the China Joe crap? Did the hunter crap work (and I got say, that hunter, is a piece of work)? How bout, he's going to destroy the military? Heck, he requested an increase that pissed off the left, just today. You can discount him at your peril if you think that will do the trick. Bottom line is he is play you like a cheap guitar and getting away with your sour notes, and there doesn't seem to be much you can do about it. Not bad for a guy you say has problems, but not surprising. We knew it when we vote for him.
Here's that story about the unhappy republican deal makers.
POLITICO Playbook: ‘A gaslighting chamber of insanity’: Moderate Republicans seethe at Biden
 
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many so called moderate dems and independent voters claimed Biden was not a far leftist .....they claimed that Biden was a moderate democrat that would bring the 2 sides together and govern from the middle ! bwaahaaahaaa suckers ! Biden has caved to the far left and is turning out to be the most extreme radical left POTUS in history ! and before the expected attack on the op or source please [those of you who thought you were voting for a moderate that would unite the country by governing from the middle ] tell us you still believe Biden is a moderate ... Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period
The detractors of the popular President are often hyper-ideological, and need to issue their predictable ideological verdicts.

Some folks were vehemently opposed to his election, and those folks are not happy with democracy.


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In actuality, the President's policies are populist, again and again receiving the approval of the majority of Americans who elected him. Party affiliation is a significant determinant, but his support among registered independents (55%) is revelatory.

If a president's policies depart too far from the wishes of the American people, his approval plummets. Biden's remains above 50% in survey after survey.

What is striking for such a populist is the generally simpatico response from the corporate sector, especially concerning social justice and environmental issues. The alliance of traditionally divergent interest groups is notable. Typically, it is cast as "the people" vs "the elite".

His covid relief plan, his repair of international alliances, his revived respect for science, his again prioritizing infrastructure renewal, his safeguarding the DACA program, his resolve to finally end the "forever war", etc. all have majoritarian support.

In general, Biden's approval is higher among younger, better educated Americans, and there is greater support among females than males but, overall, the popularly-elected populist President is reflecting the will of the People.


 
It's only a matter of time before Biden urinates in his pants on live tv.
It is amusing that the President's haters need to demean him as a superannuated, decrepit, incontinent, and senile - barely capable of attracting seven million more votes than their septuagenarian whose infantile tantrum at losing provoked a violent attack on Congress by his goons.

They cannot savage the Winner without implicitly noting their Loser's inferiority.
 
He is not a moderate but he is not as far left as Harris, Sanders or Cortez...

He is slightly right of Warren and falls into the Schumer and Pelosi class of Democrats...
He's a puppet--no power and no influence. He is only going along with what his puppet masters (which certainly includes the CHINESE communists) want-----his masters want the US destroy and thusly his administration will do their bidding as will senile pedo JOE>
 
It's only a matter of time before Biden urinates in his pants on live tv.
It is amusing that the President's haters need to demean him as a superannuated, decrepit, incontinent, and senile - barely capable of attracting seven million more votes than their septuagenarian whose infantile tantrum at losing provoked a violent attack on Congress by his goons.

They cannot savage the Winner without implicitly noting their Loser's inferiority.

Illegitimate Biden is not our president. :itsok:
 
Illegitimate Biden is not our president.
Actually, the President is the President, as the overwhelming majority of Americans and the international community recognize.

When the goons failed to "Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!", democracy prevailed.
 
Said no Democrat for 4 years after Trump won. Come here Dem nazi :itsok: You may go now.
You are disgruntled.

Sniveling about the democratic verdict of the American people is a futile self-indulgence.

Try to compose yourself, and a have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. The nation is recovering.
 

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