How the parties have changed since 1980

[AzogtheDefiler]

The rightwing nuts dont get to define the democrat's platform. You guys just lie your ass off like you just did when I laid out the Democratic Platform succinctly.

The only way you can debate is by lying about the democrats positions. Otherwise you lose like you have lost in life.

Enjoy

Thread 'Who is the face/leader of the Democratic Party?'

May 24, 2026

Trump is clearly the face and leader of the GOP as Massie among others recently discovered. Genuinely curious who people see as the face of the current Democratic Party?

Governor Newsome?
Senator Sanders?
Congresswoman AOC?
Former VP Harris?
Someone else?

Curious what people think/believe

• AzogtheDefiler
• Replies: 110
• Forum: Politics

• 

 

[citygator]

It does and I do. Why do you want to make it a troika? Happy to oblige

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

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You butted in. Obviously you want some. Right?

 

[Harry Dresden]

No, they are not, they are just the voices amplified by the Right.

as the rights big mouths are amplified by the the left.....

 

[Greenbeard]

Never once said that. More lies. Dumbass gender confused lib. UH is free markets?

Praising Dubya's bailouts was bad enough, but now we've got the seamless transition into the GOP's perverted fixation on other people's genitals. Speedrunning through the stereotypes.

 

[citygator]

Enjoy

Thread 'Who is the face/leader of the Democratic Party?'

May 24, 2026

Trump is clearly the face and leader of the GOP as Massie among others recently discovered. Genuinely curious who people see as the face of the current Democratic Party?

Governor Newsome?
Senator Sanders?
Congresswoman AOC?
Former VP Harris?
Someone else?

Curious what people think/believe

• AzogtheDefiler
• Replies: 110
• Forum: Politics

• 

Why are you looking for a man to lead you? Cuck.

Political ideology isnt a person its an idea and a platform. Republicans provided no platform after 2016 other than "Trump". Trump is the platform. Cucks. All of you.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Praising Dubya's bailouts was bad enough, but now we've got the seamless transition into the GOP's perverted fixation on other people's genitals. Speedrunning through the stereotypes.

Where was the praise? Find that post.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why are you looking for a man to lead you? Cuck.

Political ideology isnt a person its an idea and a platform. Trump provided no platform after 2016 other than "me". Trump is the platform. Cucks. All of you.

So now the goal posts move. I never Said I was doing anything. Most companies, teams, orgs have leaders. You seem upset.

 

[alang1216]

Really! The right or the media?

Bernie
AOC
Mamdani
Jeffries
Schumer
Tlaib
Omar

You stupid moron

You ignorant slut!

Conservative and moderate Democrats in Congress are primarily organized into two official caucuses: the pro-business and socially moderate New Democrat Coalition and the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition. Key members include: [1, 2, 3]
New Democrat Coalition (House Leadership & Key Members)
This coalition is the largest ideological caucus of Democrats in the House. [1]

• Leadership Team: Brad Schneider (Chair, IL-10), Nikki Budzinski (Vice Chair for Policy, IL-13), Salud Carbajal (Vice Chair for Outreach, CA-24), Josh Harder (Vice Chair for Member Services, CA-09), and Marc Veasey (Vice Chair for Communications, TX-33).
• Other Notable Members: Jim Costa (CA-21), Marilyn Strickland (WA-10), and Greg Stanton (AZ-04). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Blue Dog Coalition (House Leadership & Key Members)
This coalition focuses heavily on fiscal responsibility, national defense, and pragmatic governance. [1]

• Co-Chairs: Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA-03), Vicente Gonzalez (TX-34), and J. Luis Correa (CA-46).
• Other Notable Members: Jared Golden (ME-02), Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), and Mike Thompson (CA-04). [1, 2, 3, 4]

In the U.S. Senate, Democrats generally operate as a unified caucus. However, several senators frequently take pragmatic or centrist stances—often acting as critical swing votes—including: [1, 2]

• Mark Kelly (AZ)
• Jon Tester (MT)
• Joe Manchin (WV)
• Jacky Rosen (NV)
• Gary Peters (MI)
• Michael Bennet (CO)

These members often favor bipartisan negotiations and emphasize economic policies tailored to their specific, localized constituencies

 

[Mashmont]

FDR took office 41 months into the depression. A "garden-variety downturn" would've been over well more than two years before the election and there wouldn't have been an FDR presidency.

Just quoting the eminent Friedman.

 

[citygator]

So now the goal posts move. I never Said I was doing anything. Most companies, teams, orgs have leaders. You seem upset.

You are scientifically proven to need a strong man to tell you what to do. It comes from your fear. Basically you are a pssy who NEEDs, no CRAVES being told what to do and how to think. Its science.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1048984318302297

Research shows that conservative and right-wing individuals are more likely than liberal and left-wing individuals to prefer dominant leaders. According to adaptive followership theory, this reflects psychological mechanisms that tag dominant individuals as more competent under situations of conflict.

Conservatives tend to view the world as dangerous and ridden with intergroup conflict and, hence, have heightened preferences for dominant leaders (the competence explanation). Yet, an alternative mechanism is possible, where people stereotypically associate dominant-looking leaders with conservativism such that conservatives perceive these leaders as more similar to themselves (the similarity explanation). Hence, the effects of dominance might not be a matter of perceived competence but of perceived policy agreement.

This article pits these explanations about the underlying psychological mechanisms against each other. Using nationally representative survey experiments, we find support for the competence explanation by demonstrating that right-wing individuals prefer dominant candidates even if they are clearly politically closer to non-dominant candidates. This preference for dominant candidates only fades when the dominant candidates are from entirely different political parties than the right-wing individuals themselves.

 

[Independent thinker]

I did not really start following politics until 2015. Honestly didn’t care all that much beforehand. From what I have read/watched. The Democratic Party has moved very far left.

Clinton was anti gay marriage. Obama was the deporter in chief. Democrats have seemingly embraced the wealthy while also pining for UH, vilifying wealthy persons and large corporations and seemingly for open borders and defunding the police. Sudden support of DEI and embracing the rainbow flag while vilifying the US flag. Pro Alphabet Mafia. Party surprisingly doesn’t want the straight white male vote.

Conversely the GOP has moved more toward populism. Likely as a response to the Democrats moving so far left. Highly secure borders, tougher H1B1 standards, pro policing, certainly pro 2A and pro life, pro capitalism, pro law and order (back the blue).

Both parties overspend, albeit for different reasons. Both parties have seemingly embraced vilifying Jews. GOP at least also vilifies Islam while the Democratic Party kowtows to it.

Both trying to win the podcast wars. Tough to tell who is winning. I’d give the GOP a slight edge. Democrats still control most of the main stream/old school media and Hollywood.

Overall I believe both parties have shifted so far from the middle (Democrats notably farther) that being a true independent voter is impossible.

Did I get this right? Fully? Partially?

For the most part, you got it right. I'm still not 100% sure what populism or nationalism actually is. Also, for the most part, most people can't even explain what the definition of MAGA is. Seems to be more of a slur the left use against the right. But, it's pretty damned easy to understand what Progressivism is. And, yes, the left have turned into such loony tunes they can't even define what a woman is. Now that's bad.

In my younger years I was a diehard card carrying democrat. Then I turned Republican almost overnight. Then I switched to Independent and voted for a mix of democrats, republicans, third parties, and even write ins. But, since the left went so far left that they fell off the side of the planet, it's unlikely I would vote for any of them anymore until they quit falling off the side of the planet.

 

[Greenbeard]

Just quoting the eminent Friedman.

Friedman was a monetarist, he blamed the Depression on the Fed's tight monetary policies. Did you even watch your clip?

 

[Mashmont]

Friedman was a monetarist, he blamed the Depression on the Fed's tight monetary policies. Did you even watch your clip?

Yes. You said we are repeating the 1920s, implying that speculation of business overextension being the cause of the Depression. Friedman debunked the hell out of that. Did you even watch the clip?

 

[pknopp]

We have proof he wrote it. We don’t have proof of people who went and didn’t do anything versus those who went and did, you stupid moron

I disagree.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Reagan changed everything, especially the democratic party. After the 1982 election, which was a blowout, the DNC was bankrupt and most people agreed it was dead. It had to change course or wither away. What did they do? They sold their soul to Big Money. They stopped being anti-establishment and became pro-establishment. Then they gave the establishment Clinton. From that point on the entire party pivoted from representing the middle class to benefiting the establishment and the Big Money billionaires.

Meanwhile, the GOP, which was already pro-establishment and pro-Big Money got complacent and put forth Dumb and Dumber and completely wrecked the country and the party. From then on the DNC and the new dumocraps ruled the DC swamp and establishment and put their tentacles everywhere while the spineless GOP watched in vain. Just when everyone thought the GOP was toast, Trump happened. My guess the cycle will repeat in about 10 years with the parties flipping focus again.

 

[22lcidw]

You ignorant slut!

Conservative and moderate Democrats in Congress are primarily organized into two official caucuses: the pro-business and socially moderate New Democrat Coalition and the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition. Key members include: [1, 2, 3]
New Democrat Coalition (House Leadership & Key Members)
This coalition is the largest ideological caucus of Democrats in the House. [1]

• Leadership Team: Brad Schneider (Chair, IL-10), Nikki Budzinski (Vice Chair for Policy, IL-13), Salud Carbajal (Vice Chair for Outreach, CA-24), Josh Harder (Vice Chair for Member Services, CA-09), and Marc Veasey (Vice Chair for Communications, TX-33).
• Other Notable Members: Jim Costa (CA-21), Marilyn Strickland (WA-10), and Greg Stanton (AZ-04). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Blue Dog Coalition (House Leadership & Key Members)
This coalition focuses heavily on fiscal responsibility, national defense, and pragmatic governance. [1]

• Co-Chairs: Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA-03), Vicente Gonzalez (TX-34), and J. Luis Correa (CA-46).
• Other Notable Members: Jared Golden (ME-02), Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), and Mike Thompson (CA-04). [1, 2, 3, 4]

In the U.S. Senate, Democrats generally operate as a unified caucus. However, several senators frequently take pragmatic or centrist stances—often acting as critical swing votes—including: [1, 2]

• Mark Kelly (AZ)
• Jon Tester (MT)
• Joe Manchin (WV)
• Jacky Rosen (NV)
• Gary Peters (MI)
• Michael Bennet (CO)

These members often favor bipartisan negotiations and emphasize economic policies tailored to their specific, localized constituencies

Democrat centrists are only mostly communist.

 

[Lockback]

Let's take abortion as an example :

Most U.S. adults continue to express support for legal abortion. Currently, 60% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 38% say it should be illegal in all or most cases.​

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Just one example, there are numerous others.

Abortion is still legal in most places.
Much ado about nothing.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

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I asked you if you wanted to make it a troika

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You ignorant slut!

Conservative and moderate Democrats in Congress are primarily organized into two official caucuses: the pro-business and socially moderate New Democrat Coalition and the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition. Key members include: [1, 2, 3]
New Democrat Coalition (House Leadership & Key Members)
This coalition is the largest ideological caucus of Democrats in the House. [1]

• Leadership Team: Brad Schneider (Chair, IL-10), Nikki Budzinski (Vice Chair for Policy, IL-13), Salud Carbajal (Vice Chair for Outreach, CA-24), Josh Harder (Vice Chair for Member Services, CA-09), and Marc Veasey (Vice Chair for Communications, TX-33).
• Other Notable Members: Jim Costa (CA-21), Marilyn Strickland (WA-10), and Greg Stanton (AZ-04). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Blue Dog Coalition (House Leadership & Key Members)
This coalition focuses heavily on fiscal responsibility, national defense, and pragmatic governance. [1]

• Co-Chairs: Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA-03), Vicente Gonzalez (TX-34), and J. Luis Correa (CA-46).
• Other Notable Members: Jared Golden (ME-02), Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), and Mike Thompson (CA-04). [1, 2, 3, 4]

In the U.S. Senate, Democrats generally operate as a unified caucus. However, several senators frequently take pragmatic or centrist stances—often acting as critical swing votes—including: [1, 2]

• Mark Kelly (AZ)
• Jon Tester (MT)
• Joe Manchin (WV)
• Jacky Rosen (NV)
• Gary Peters (MI)
• Michael Bennet (CO)

These members often favor bipartisan negotiations and emphasize economic policies tailored to their specific, localized constituencies

Manchin is gone
Tester lost
Kelly has moved super left
Don’t know the other 3

They aren’t the faces of the party