Disguising Tyrrany

[Erand7899]

1. If you are on the look-out for tyranny and oppression of the Soviet Union variety, then it is no wonder you don't even realize that you live under almost the same virulent level.

The current brand of tyranny was explained by J.L.Talmon as a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.





How do they do it?

2. Former NY Senator James Buckley gives the reason:
Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives.
And these rules have the full force of law!
Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!




What once was....and what now is:

3. "... laws in America used to be simple and beautiful.
They were written with care, and citizens could read them quickly and understand their meaning. Of the four organic laws that founded America—the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution of the United States—none of them was more than 4,500 words long.

4. [This example of the kind of writing, from the Northwest Ordinance:]
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary for good government and the happiness of mankind, the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





5. To understand how the new bureaucratic tyranny works, simply compare that with the Affordable Care Act, 363,086 words, and countless rules and regulations...

'We Have to Pass the Bill to Find Out What's In It' - ...not by accident, and "not readable or comprehensible to any member of Congress who voted for it or to the citizens whose lives it was aimed at manipulating in a detailed and intrusive way."
Ibid.

6. The governing elites might have chosen to use Occitan or Old Norse runes in the writing of laws and regulations, or made it illegal for non-elected officials to even read the laws we must live under.






7. The result is an oppression as firm and ineluctable as actual chains.

And the collectivist regime has taken aim squarely at the economic sector!
In effect, the private sector, the free market, exists no longer...excepted only by way of bribing, lobbying.

" The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards.

Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business." Review & Outlook: Regulation for Dummies - WSJ.com




And anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on liberty has never understood America.

Big business is doing awesome right now, it just isn't trickling down for some reason. Could it be that they like us happy just to have a shitty no raise ever job rather than homeless and destitute?

Big business is hundreds of thousands of diverse people who have different political bents, different social bents, and a multitude of economic differences. It is not some collective brain trust that desires to keep you poor. The truth is, that unless you work for them, or are one of their suppliers or customers, big business doesn't even know that you exist, and could care less what your economic status is.

Like most socialists, you are looking for the devil on the wrong end of the chain. Big business created some of that chain, but government, through taxes and regulations created the vast majority of it. If you want to control the devil, you need to control government.

 

[francoHFW]

Yup, gov't is tyranny and incompetence, and the GOP prove it every time they get in. Stop believing their bs propaganda. They wreck the nonrich and the country with ''deregulation'' booms and busts, and stupid chickenhawk wars...

 

[Whig_Out]

Speaking of an education:

Why haven't been educated to the fact that there are degrees in politics just as there are in temperature?

What you meant to say was:

Why haven't you been educated to the fact that there are multiple varying degrees in politics just as there are in temperature?

How could you have reached this age, yet remained so very stupid?

How could you have reached your age and still have not learned any manners? Also how have you lasted this long on this forum? I'm new and even I know you just broke some forum rule there. I guess after I report you we'll find out.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you have a better idea than holding elections?

Shrink government to the point where you could drown it in the bathtub. Then no one will care what it does because it won't be able to do much of anything.

Wow....excessive, dude.

How about shrinking the federal government down to the size absolutely necessary to carry out those functions authorized in Article 1, section 8- the enumerated powers.

Perhaps we could get back to the idea of federalism.

You don't have the votes for it. The grim reality for conservatives is that you will never have enough votes to see your agenda put in place.

 

[bripat9643]

Shrink government to the point where you could drown it in the bathtub. Then no one will care what it does because it won't be able to do much of anything.

Wow....excessive, dude.

How about shrinking the federal government down to the size absolutely necessary to carry out those functions authorized in Article 1, section 8- the enumerated powers.

Perhaps we could get back to the idea of federalism.

You don't have the votes for it. The grim reality for conservatives is that you will never have enough votes to see your agenda put in place.

That's what they used to say about socialists before the Great Depression.

It may take another 50 years, but eventually people are going to become educated about the con that is called socialism, and then this country will begin moving in the other direction. If not, there's always the option of secession.

 

[Antares]

1. If you are on the look-out for tyranny and oppression of the Soviet Union variety, then it is no wonder you don't even realize that you live under almost the same virulent level.

The current brand of tyranny was explained by J.L.Talmon as a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.





How do they do it?

2. Former NY Senator James Buckley gives the reason:
Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives.
And these rules have the full force of law!
Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!




What once was....and what now is:

3. "... laws in America used to be simple and beautiful.
They were written with care, and citizens could read them quickly and understand their meaning. Of the four organic laws that founded America—the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution of the United States—none of them was more than 4,500 words long.

4. [This example of the kind of writing, from the Northwest Ordinance:]
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary for good government and the happiness of mankind, the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





5. To understand how the new bureaucratic tyranny works, simply compare that with the Affordable Care Act, 363,086 words, and countless rules and regulations...

'We Have to Pass the Bill to Find Out What's In It' - ...not by accident, and "not readable or comprehensible to any member of Congress who voted for it or to the citizens whose lives it was aimed at manipulating in a detailed and intrusive way."
Ibid.

6. The governing elites might have chosen to use Occitan or Old Norse runes in the writing of laws and regulations, or made it illegal for non-elected officials to even read the laws we must live under.






7. The result is an oppression as firm and ineluctable as actual chains.

And the collectivist regime has taken aim squarely at the economic sector!
In effect, the private sector, the free market, exists no longer...excepted only by way of bribing, lobbying.

" The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards.

Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business." Review & Outlook: Regulation for Dummies - WSJ.com




And anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on liberty has never understood America.

Big business is doing awesome right now, it just isn't trickling down for some reason. Could it be that they like us happy just to have a shitty no raise ever job rather than homeless and destitute?

QE3300 is the ONLY reason they are doing well kid......

 

[Misty]

Conservative agenda is already in place. For half of America.

Shrink government to the point where you could drown it in the bathtub. Then no one will care what it does because it won't be able to do much of anything.

Wow....excessive, dude.

How about shrinking the federal government down to the size absolutely necessary to carry out those functions authorized in Article 1, section 8- the enumerated powers.

Perhaps we could get back to the idea of federalism.

You don't have the votes for it. The grim reality for conservatives is that you will never have enough votes to see your agenda put in place.

 

[francoHFW]

And Red states don't do well- unless they have oil...

 

[Antares]

And Red states don't do well- unless they have oil...

3.7 here in Nebraska kid.....sorry.

 

[Whig_Out]

3.7 here in Nebraska kid.....sorry.

The fact remains that the majority of the red states are the poorest and worst in many other realms such as education and health. To save you some time, I'm not a kid, I'm not your boy and I'm not a liberal.

 

[Antares]

3.7 here in Nebraska kid.....sorry.

The fact remains that the majority of the red states are the poorest and worst in many other realms such as education and health. To save you some time, I'm not a kid, I'm not your boy and I'm not a liberal.

Apparently you can't read, who was I responding to?

It wasn't you...BUT I suggest you look at which States spend the most per capita on HC...

You can thank me later.

 

[Misty]

3.7 here in Nebraska kid.....sorry.

The fact remains that the majority of the red states are the poorest and worst in many other realms such as education and health. To save you some time, I'm not a kid, I'm not your boy and I'm not a liberal.

Goddamit this has been addresed so many times. A lot of red states are not as populated as the rich blue states. If they figure it per capita, red states show up as poorest but it's a false impression.

 

[Billy000]

1. If you are on the look-out for tyranny and oppression of the Soviet Union variety, then it is no wonder you don't even realize that you live under almost the same virulent level.

The current brand of tyranny was explained by J.L.Talmon as a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.





How do they do it?

2. Former NY Senator James Buckley gives the reason:
Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives.
And these rules have the full force of law!
Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!




What once was....and what now is:

3. "... laws in America used to be simple and beautiful.
They were written with care, and citizens could read them quickly and understand their meaning. Of the four organic laws that founded America—the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution of the United States—none of them was more than 4,500 words long.

4. [This example of the kind of writing, from the Northwest Ordinance:]
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary for good government and the happiness of mankind, the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





5. To understand how the new bureaucratic tyranny works, simply compare that with the Affordable Care Act, 363,086 words, and countless rules and regulations...

'We Have to Pass the Bill to Find Out What's In It' - ...not by accident, and "not readable or comprehensible to any member of Congress who voted for it or to the citizens whose lives it was aimed at manipulating in a detailed and intrusive way."
Ibid.

6. The governing elites might have chosen to use Occitan or Old Norse runes in the writing of laws and regulations, or made it illegal for non-elected officials to even read the laws we must live under.






7. The result is an oppression as firm and ineluctable as actual chains.

And the collectivist regime has taken aim squarely at the economic sector!
In effect, the private sector, the free market, exists no longer...excepted only by way of bribing, lobbying.

" The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards.

Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business." Review & Outlook: Regulation for Dummies - WSJ.com




And anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on liberty has never understood America.

Big business is doing awesome right now, it just isn't trickling down for some reason. Could it be that they like us happy just to have a shitty no raise ever job rather than homeless and destitute?

The problem is obvious: Obama.


Consider the facts....under Obama, unemployment, stagnant recovery, over regulation, and ObamaCare.


Compare that to the policies of Ronald Reagan....tax cuts, encouragement of business, and astounding recovery!



1. ... the tax cuts of the Economic Recovery Act of 1981 stimulated economic growth. “As a 1982 JEC study pointed out,[1] similar across-the-board tax cuts had been implemented in the 1920s as the Mellon tax cuts, and in the 1960s as the Kennedy tax cuts. In both cases the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid.” http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm


2. “As inflation came down and as more and more of the tax cuts from the 1981 Act went into effect, the economic began a strong and sustained pattern of growth.” US Department of the Treasury

The benefits from Reaganomics:
a. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
b. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
c. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
d. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
e. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) FDsys - Browse ERP

f. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116



These are the facts.

As is this: Obama and his socialist policies don't work.
When will you realize that?

1) there is NOTHING socialist about Obama's policies.

2) Obama is the reason why we are in a recovery in a first place. We lost several millions of jobs until his stimulus package came into effect. We were in a tail spin. Now we are actually CREATING jobs

3) 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Proof tax cuts aren't viable options for economic growth.

 

[Billy000]

1. If you are on the look-out for tyranny and oppression of the Soviet Union variety, then it is no wonder you don't even realize that you live under almost the same virulent level.

The current brand of tyranny was explained by J.L.Talmon as a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.





How do they do it?

2. Former NY Senator James Buckley gives the reason:
Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives.
And these rules have the full force of law!
Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!




What once was....and what now is:

3. "... laws in America used to be simple and beautiful.
They were written with care, and citizens could read them quickly and understand their meaning. Of the four organic laws that founded America—the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution of the United States—none of them was more than 4,500 words long.

4. [This example of the kind of writing, from the Northwest Ordinance:]
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary for good government and the happiness of mankind, the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





5. To understand how the new bureaucratic tyranny works, simply compare that with the Affordable Care Act, 363,086 words, and countless rules and regulations...

'We Have to Pass the Bill to Find Out What's In It' - ...not by accident, and "not readable or comprehensible to any member of Congress who voted for it or to the citizens whose lives it was aimed at manipulating in a detailed and intrusive way."
Ibid.

6. The governing elites might have chosen to use Occitan or Old Norse runes in the writing of laws and regulations, or made it illegal for non-elected officials to even read the laws we must live under.






7. The result is an oppression as firm and ineluctable as actual chains.

And the collectivist regime has taken aim squarely at the economic sector!
In effect, the private sector, the free market, exists no longer...excepted only by way of bribing, lobbying.

" The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards.

Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business." Review & Outlook: Regulation for Dummies - WSJ.com




And anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on liberty has never understood America.

I'm sorry I wasn't listening. What?

OMG!

The very same answer you gave throughout your schooling.



Billy 000IQ......Just between the two of us….are you just a leeeeettttle disappointed at how you turned out?

This coming from someone who can't spell tyranny.

 

[Jughead]

2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Proof tax cuts aren't viable options for economic growth.

The Bush tax cuts resulted in a record 52 straight months of job creation, creating 8 million new jobs and unemployment rate dropping to 4.4%. After tax income per capita increased by more than 11%.

 

[Clementine]

1. If you are on the look-out for tyranny and oppression of the Soviet Union variety, then it is no wonder you don't even realize that you live under almost the same virulent level.

The current brand of tyranny was explained by J.L.Talmon as a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.





How do they do it?

2. Former NY Senator James Buckley gives the reason:
Today, this federal law is 1700 pages more than it was prior to the New Deal. The reason is the creation of more and more bureaus and agencies endowed with ever broader responsibilities and discretion in defining the rules that govern our activities and our lives.
And these rules have the full force of law!
Congress has increased the number of rules whose infractions are criminalized, waiving the common law requirement that one knows he is breaking the law. Today, one can be jailed for violating a regulation that one had no reason to know even existed!




What once was....and what now is:

3. "... laws in America used to be simple and beautiful.
They were written with care, and citizens could read them quickly and understand their meaning. Of the four organic laws that founded America—the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution of the United States—none of them was more than 4,500 words long.

4. [This example of the kind of writing, from the Northwest Ordinance:]
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary for good government and the happiness of mankind, the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_12_Imprimis.pdf





5. To understand how the new bureaucratic tyranny works, simply compare that with the Affordable Care Act, 363,086 words, and countless rules and regulations...

'We Have to Pass the Bill to Find Out What's In It' - ...not by accident, and "not readable or comprehensible to any member of Congress who voted for it or to the citizens whose lives it was aimed at manipulating in a detailed and intrusive way."
Ibid.

6. The governing elites might have chosen to use Occitan or Old Norse runes in the writing of laws and regulations, or made it illegal for non-elected officials to even read the laws we must live under.






7. The result is an oppression as firm and ineluctable as actual chains.

And the collectivist regime has taken aim squarely at the economic sector!
In effect, the private sector, the free market, exists no longer...excepted only by way of bribing, lobbying.

" The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards.

Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business." Review & Outlook: Regulation for Dummies - WSJ.com




And anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on liberty has never understood America.

Of course, everyone knows the rule, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it." Most people are ignorant of most laws on the books. It's also impossible for authorities to enforce all the laws on the books. Even law enforcement and government agencies are unaware of most laws on the books.

Usually, common sense tells us that something is wrong and likely against the law. A guy was recently cited for washing his car in his driveway, something people have done since the invention of the automobile. Well, now it's against the law. So is getting water on the sidewalk when you water your lawn. Careful, because many stupid little things will now make you a criminal.

It's likely that most of the broken laws will be discovered AFTER authorities have targeted an individual. You could probably investigate any person and find at least one violation of laws. It's a great tool when corrupt officials want to go after political enemies. Just investigate and watch the infractions pile up. If that person has a barrel in their yard collecting rain water, they are guilty of a crime. If they don't have health insurance and failed to pay the fine, they might go to jail. There are so many obscure and ridiculous laws that no one is able to live without being in violation of something.

Intelligence doesn't help in understanding current laws. Only a tyrant could even imagine why the current laws are on the books. If you write enough oppressive and nonsensical laws, you can use them to arrest virtually anyone at some point. I think that is the real goal. Nothing else makes sense.

 

[Billy000]

2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Proof tax cuts aren't viable options for economic growth.

The Bush tax cuts resulted in a record 52 straight months of job creation, creating 8 million new jobs and unemployment rate dropping to 4.4%. After tax income per capita increased by more than 11%.

No that is complete bullshit. You are talking about more people in the workforce. Any economist will tell you that isn't how you measure job growth. That is not net job creation. NEW jobs. Either way it wouldn't account for much considering we lost millions of jobs in the final months of his presidency.

 

[Whig_Out]

Apparently you can't read, who was I responding to?

It wasn't you...BUT I suggest you look at which States spend the most per capita on HC...

You can thank me later.

I really don't care who you were talking to. I can address who ever I want to right? Right.

What does that have to do with the fact that red states are some of the poorest?

No thanks.

 

[Moonglow]

So the Soviets passed a law that makes private insurers, hospitals,doctors etc. money, that they were previously losing due to welfare cases?


Well I'll be.


I must have missed that in all my books on history/sociology/economics.

 

[racewright]

First of all no one should be talking about TAX cuts, There should be no Taxes what the heck is the government doing with our money anyway.
No government will spend your money the way you would--it is your money not theirs.
This is the reason everything is out of control these political crooks don't spend there money they spend YOURS.
They should only spend what you are willing to give them and if that is not enough than tuff shit do without. Notice I said you ,you want a government program than find others that do and get them to chip in for your cause...I will pick my cause and you can pick yours.

Notice even The super rich would rather donate to a cause than allow the Government to have more of there money.
You allow the government to have control over your money and next thing they charge hookers on credit card that you fund, go on lavish vacations with your money, have offices and building to work from that Warren Buffett and Bill Gates would never spend their money on.
They think that they are entitled to more than any private business. They are our employees and should be under our control and not the other way around--I submit if you get a paycheck from the government you should be put on notice and fired--clean house.
,