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Did you Support War in Iraq??

Did you support the War in Iraq?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 30.5%
  • No

    Votes: 41 69.5%

  • Total voters
    59

BlindBoo

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

The Arabs don't want another Caliphate.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

They occupied some territory. We provided air support and advisors, no Grunts.
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

The Arabs don't want another Caliphate.
Well yeah...most sane ones don't....Obama left them a bloody group of horrible terror...slavery, rapes etc...it was horror
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

The Arabs don't want another Caliphate.
Well yeah...most sane ones don't....Obama left them a bloody group of horrible terror...slavery, rapes etc...it was horror

ISIS was born in Camp Brucca Prison in 2004. It was called "the finishing school for radicals". There was a lull, but Maliki absolutely abused the Sunni majority.. He was a Shia who had lived most of his life in Iran. Odd choice for a president who claimed to be an oil man.

Did you want Obama to reinvade Iraq and depose Maliki?
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

They occupied some territory. We provided air support and advisors, no Grunts.
Yes it had a massive terroritory....from Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen...across the ME.

And what planet do you live on? We sent troops back...all over the ME to deal with it
More
and more: U.S. to Send 600 More Troops to Iraq to Help Retake Mosul From ISIS (Published 2016)
and more: Obama orders more troops to Iraq to guide fightback against Islamic State

I could go on....ISIS's caliphate didn't end until Trump took office in 2019
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden

The Arab Spring in Syria began in 2005.. What are YOU talking about?
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

The Arabs don't want another Caliphate.
Well yeah...most sane ones don't....Obama left them a bloody group of horrible terror...slavery, rapes etc...it was horror

ISIS was born in Camp Brucca Prison in 2004. It was called "the finishing school for radicals". There was a lull, but Maliki absolutely abused the Sunni majority.. He was a Shia who had lived most of his life in Iran. Odd choice for a president who claimed to be an oil man.

Did you want Obama to reinvade Iraq and depose Maliki?
Why did he have to reinvade when we were already there providing support? He could have just stayed...instead he left...

and yes....reinvaded...he sent troops back in after that, after ISIS created it's caliphate
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden

The Arab Spring in Syria began in 2005.. What are YOU talking about?

" The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي‎) was a series of anti-government protests, uprisings, and armed rebellions that spread across much of the Arab world in the early 2010s "
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden

There was not option for renegotiation based on circumstances in the SOFA. The Iraqis had the option to ask us to leave at any time and we also had the option to leave at any time.

 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden

There was not option for renegotiation based on circumstances in the SOFA. The Iraqis had the option to ask us to leave at any time and we also had the option to leave at any time.

Sure there was...we were there attempting to do just that!





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How the Obama administration bungled the Iraq withdrawal negotiations
The Obama administration is claiming it always intended to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of this year, in line with the president’s announcement today, but in fact several parts of the administration appeared to try hard to negotiate a deal for thousands of troops to remain — and failed. “I can ...
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden

The Arab Spring in Syria began in 2005.. What are YOU talking about?

" The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي‎) was a series of anti-government protests, uprisings, and armed rebellions that spread across much of the Arab world in the early 2010s "

From 2005 to 2011 when Assad arrested the schoolboys Syria had severe drought, abandoned farms, inflation, unemployment, civil strife and the collapse of agriculture and their tiny oil sector... plus overpopulation.

Neither Russia nor Iran lifted a finger to help them. The Alawites are above the law.. Drug smuggling and kidnapping for ransom were the norm.. Since 1950 Syria has been the country of assassinations .
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate

Obama's coalition was able to deny ISIS it's Caliphake without reinvading the region with US combat troops.
Huh? they had a caliphate and we did have to go back in...what in the world are you talking about?

They occupied some territory. We provided air support and advisors, no Grunts.
Yes it had a massive terroritory....from Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen...across the ME.

And what planet do you live on? We sent troops back...all over the ME to deal with it
More
and more: U.S. to Send 600 More Troops to Iraq to Help Retake Mosul From ISIS (Published 2016)
and more: Obama orders more troops to Iraq to guide fightback against Islamic State

I could go on....ISIS's caliphate didn't end until Trump took office in 2019

Massive amounts of sand.
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
The same reason every other President hasn't with every other nation we have a military force. No country wants us there in perpetuity. They want dates to review the agreement.

Geez....get a clue. Obama failed to get it renewed...gave ISIS and other terrorist are move out date...and chaos unfolded...and Obama had to send our troops right back, in a much more deadly enviroment. Xiden of course, didn't learn from this and is about to do the same in Afgan.

So instead of getting a Review of the agreement date in the SOFA, President Bush opted for a Withdrawal date instead?

But in reality both Presidents faced the same opposition from the Iraqis on our troops and no president would have agreed to their terms.
the date was to withdraw, or renew...depending on the circumstances. Don't play dumb. Deflecting failure is the liberal way I get it, but the ball was dropped by Obama and Xiden...which had major consequences because it lead to the complete botch of the Arab Spring....the Syrian Civil War, ISIS, and a empowered Iran (the largest state sponsor of terror), and the Yemen crisis.

Thanks to the horrible blunders of Obama and Xiden

The Arab Spring in Syria began in 2005.. What are YOU talking about?

" The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي‎) was a series of anti-government protests, uprisings, and armed rebellions that spread across much of the Arab world in the early 2010s "

From 2005 to 2011 when Assad arrested the schoolboys Syria had severe drought, abandoned farms, inflation, unemployment, civil strife and the collapse of agriculture and their tiny oil sector... plus overpopulation.

Neither Russia nor Iran lifted a finger to help them. The Alawites are above the law.. Drug smuggling and kidnapping for ransom were the norm.. Since 1950 Syria has been the country of assassinations .
Cool story...yeah Russia didn't get involved until after Obama and Xiden f-ed up the Arab Spring and Assad started using WMDs on his own people...then Obama and Xiden thought invited their pal Putin in....you know to take care of those WMDs...great job
 

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Cool story...yeah Russia didn't get involved until after Obama and Xiden f-ed up the Arab Spring and Assad started using WMDs on his own people...then Obama and Xiden thought invited their pal Putin in....you know to take care of those WMDs...great job
Russia got involved when the territory under Assad's control began to shrink steadily and inevitably for the regime. The Assad regime was expected to last for weeks, not even months.
 

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Cool story...yeah Russia didn't get involved until after Obama and Xiden f-ed up the Arab Spring and Assad started using WMDs on his own people...then Obama and Xiden thought invited their pal Putin in....you know to take care of those WMDs...great job
Russia got involved when the territory under Assad's control began to shrink steadily and inevitably for the regime. The Assad regime was expected to last for weeks, not even months.

Nah, Russia was invited in, in 2013 after Obama red line mishap...

" The so-called “red line” episode in September 2013, when, in a last-minute decision, President Barack Obama called off U.S. air strikes in Syria,1 has continued to shape his legacy. Instead of striking the Syrian government in retaliation for a nerve gas attack near Damascus, Obama took Russian President Vladimir Putin up on an offer to peacefully dismantle the Syrian chemical weapons program and craft a United Nations resolution2 to make sure no gas attacks ever occurred in Syria again. "

" Within an hour, an hour and a half, I got a phone call from Sergei Lavrov of Russia suggesting that was a really good idea, why don’t we work on whether or not we could do that? And President Obama and President Putin had actually talked about it a few weeks earlier in St. Petersburg, and I’d already talked to Lavrov—I’d actually talked to Prime Minister Netanyahu about it, who thought it was a good idea. And so all of a sudden, Lavrov and I were thrown together by our presidents in an effort to try to achieve that. And guess what? We did achieve it before Congress voted.20 " - John Kerry


 

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