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Did you Support War in Iraq??

Did you support the War in Iraq?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 30.5%
  • No

    Votes: 41 69.5%

  • Total voters
    59

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I love how these conservative Trumpist idiots are engaging in this historical revisionism. Anyone who was around then whose brain has not turned to mush will remember will remember the right-wing smear machine going after anyone who did not support the Iraqi war as supporting Saddam. The lead cheerleader of this smear machine was none other than Sean Hannity.

Scott Ritter, the UN , our allies, and all those that said there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were ridiculed. In Bush/Cheney lingo, ”You were either against us, or for us.” No middle ground.

Nearly all Republicans fell in line. Some Democrats surrendered to the smear machine, most notably Hillary Clinton. She paid the price in 2008 and 2016 for her vote.

The votes in the Senate and House was as follows:

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The Iraq War was a Republican initiative from the start.

What makes this laughable are all these Pubs now saying they were against this war. Now that is hilarious. Every single Pub on this board, if they were honest, would say they supported it.

I remember the heated debates I had with Pubs when I told them they were being led like sheep by Bush’s lies and misinformation.

Like sheep

Just like today.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose


What did bill clinton mean when he campaigned on the theme that HW "didn't finish the job in Iraq?" Why did all the zionist media, almost all of them leftist and Dem, support Clinton, believing president Clinton would invade Iraq as he was promising that on the campaign trail?

As for Trump, he admitted he was conned by W's lies and that Iraq was a huge error. Trump was pulling troops out of the ME.

Anyone opposed to endlessly selling out our troops in the Middle East over lies solely to benefit Israel needed only an IQ over5 to figure out that Trump was 100 percent better on this issue for America than Traitor Joe, who not only supported all of W's treason, but knew about 911 before and invested off 911, making tens of millions as the Towers burned.

Who was W for in this election?

BIDEN


To believe the left wing liais on this board, you need to have an IQ low enough to still fall for the official version of 911, Michelle being a woman, and Biden not being one of the worst Zionist warmongers despite all his votes....


"Have US based Mossad agents take out a President deemed unfriendly to Israel - homO - so that the current VP could forcefully dictate US foreign policy to help the Jewish state obliterate its enemies"

That is what you voted for when you voted for Traitor Joe.
 

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Indeed, the Steal was 100 percent about shutting off DOJ from bringing out 911 charges.

All of the Zionist 911 traitors were for Joe.

Voting for Joe was voting to let Israel get away with 911 and much more, and to sellout our troops again,this time in Iran.

To not understand that truth is to confess to having an IQ under 5.
 

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"

I ask all of you to remember the record here what he promised to do within 15 days of the end of the Gulf War, what he repeatedly refused to do, what we found out in 1995, what the inspectors have done against all odds. We have no business agreeing to any resolution of this that does not include free, unfettered access to the remaining sites by people who have integrity and proven confidence in the inspection business. That should be our standard. That's what UNSCOM has done, and that's why I have been fighting for it so hard. And that's why the United States should insist upon it.

Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply, and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made?

Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction.

And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal. And I think every one of you who's really worked on this for any length of time believes that, too.

....

Saddam Hussein's Iraq reminds us of what we learned in the 20th century and warns us of what we must know about the 21st. In this century, we learned through harsh experience that the only answer to aggression and illegal behavior is firmness, determination, and when necessary action.

In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program." Bill Clinton - 1998
 

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I love how these conservative Trumpist idiots are engaging in this historical revisionism. Anyone who was around then whose brain has not turned to mush will remember will remember the right-wing smear machine going after anyone who did not support the Iraqi war as supporting Saddam. The lead cheerleader of this smear machine was none other than Sean Hannity.

Scott Ritter, the UN , our allies, and all those that said there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were ridiculed. In Bush/Cheney lingo, ”You were either against us, or for us.” No middle ground.

Nearly all Republicans fell in line. Some Democrats surrendered to the smear machine, most notably Hillary Clinton. She paid the price in 2008 and 2016 for her vote.

The votes in the Senate and House was as follows:

View attachment 481418


View attachment 481419

The Iraq War was a Republican initiative from the start.

What makes this laughable are all these Pubs now saying they were against this war. Now that is hilarious. Every single Pub on this board, if they were honest, would say they supported it.

I remember the heated debates I had with Pubs when I told them they were being led like sheep by Bush’s lies and misinformation.

Like sheep

Just like today.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose


What did bill clinton mean when he campaigned on the theme that HW "didn't finish the job in Iraq?" Why did all the zionist media, almost all of them leftist and Dem, support Clinton, believing president Clinton would invade Iraq as he was promising that on the campaign trail?

As for Trump, he admitted he was conned by W's lies and that Iraq was a huge error. Trump was pulling troops out of the ME.

Anyone opposed to endlessly selling out our troops in the Middle East over lies solely to benefit Israel needed only an IQ over5 to figure out that Trump was 100 percent better on this issue for America than Traitor Joe, who not only supported all of W's treason, but knew about 911 before and invested off 911, making tens of millions as the Towers burned.

Who was W for in this election?

BIDEN


To believe the left wing liais on this board, you need to have an IQ low enough to still fall for the official version of 911, Michelle being a woman, and Biden not being one of the worst Zionist warmongers despite all his votes....


"Have US based Mossad agents take out a President deemed unfriendly to Israel - homO - so that the current VP could forcefully dictate US foreign policy to help the Jewish state obliterate its enemies"

That is what you voted for when you voted for Traitor Joe.

Clinton never campaigned on claiming HW Bush didn't finish the job. In fact Bill Clinton wasn't railroaded into attacking Iraq by the dual signatories of the PNAC.
 

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LOL

Clinton ran TV ads with that quote...

Accused HW of "coddling"Saddam...


YOU LIE
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
 

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LOL

Clinton ran TV ads with that quote...

Accused HW of "coddling"Saddam...


YOU LIE

Clinton wasn't running for office in Feb 1998.


Project for a New American Century (PNAC) - We Hold These ...
In 1998 “The Project for the New American Century” letter (PNAC Letter) was sent to President Bill Clinton. The letter urged Clinton to target the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power in Iraq due to erosion of the Gulf War Coalition’
 

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The PNAC letter to Clinton in Jan 1998 was based entirely on Bibi Netanyahu's Clean Break Strategy from 1996.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
 

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hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

We have never, nor do we need to now, have the permission of the UN to do anything.

It was one of the conditions for the Determination Power Congress was abdicating to the President.

What was GW announcing when he was greeted at the press conference with a couple of shoes?

Could it have been that SOFA that the UN forced him into negotiating with the Iraqis?
NO IT WASN"T....there was no condition to get UN approval first...stop lying...I and you yourself posted a link to the Authorization and nowhere is that a condition

The journalist (got three years by the way) threw the shoes in 2008 at Bush during a Press Confernce. The journalist was upset that Obama and won, and Bush left the country with Obama and Xiden....

Not if Iraq proved to be a threat, but UNSC resolutions to invade and occupy Iraq were def. addressed, and could have been used as of one of the conditions. He didn't get one for the invasion, but he got one for the occupation. Which the UN revoked. It ended the last day of 2008.

The question was what was President Bush announcing that day, not why he was greeted with flying shoes.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.

We did not leave Iraq in 2008....

It was at a Press Conf. He was answering questions

"Bush’s fleeting visit to Baghdad was aimed at marking the recent passage of a U.S.-Iraq security pact that paves the way for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraqi cities by July next year and withdraw completely by the end of 2011."


I thought it was great the way he adeptly ducked the flying shoes.
Yep...what's your point? And Obama and Xiden where handed a free and stable Iraq, but failed to extend in SOFA...thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...

Iran is mostly Shiite and ISIS is mostly Sunnis. The Iraqis government was already aligned with Iran.
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to the worlds remaining super power. The UN did not authorize the use of military force by any member state to invade Iraq.

yeah i provided the link...we didn’t need the UN. He got congress though

He enforced UN resolutions...that the UN wasn’t. Of course they were a threat...read the entire resolution Xiden and company outlines all the threats

But he did need the UN or don't you remember him asking the UN for help when the occupation went FUBAR? Don't you remember it was the UN that forced Bush to negotiate the SOFA and withdrawal of 2008?

They were no threat. SCR 1441 superseded all other Iraqi resolutions and the invasion hinged on the final round of weapons inspections. Until Bush decided to invade. It wasn't Clinton who decided. It wasn't Biden who made that decision or anyone else not president Bush. He was given the power to decide and he did.
No he didn't....he certainly made this case to them...and wanted a vote...but didn't need it.

The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office...even Obama admitted his was left a free and stable Iraq.

We didn't withdraw in 2008

Bush invaded because Saddam wouldn't allow the inspections and repeated violated UN resolutions, as well as attempted to assassinate our President, among other things listed in the resolution. You are either lying, repeating lies, or uninformed...I am guessing all three

We agreed to 1441 which require another resolution to authorize military action. But like you said he didn't really need it because we are the most powerful military and we can veto any SC resolution condemning us. But after we won, and the Occupation went sideways, he asked the UN for a mandate for the occupation and got it. That mandate expired in 2008. Which is why GW had to negotiate with the Iraqis for a SOFA. The Iraqis demanded a complete US withdrawal before 2012. GW signed that agreement at in 2008.

It's was a strategist blunder and the region is still in flux.
Sorry there was nothing in the Congressional Authorization of Force that required us to get any sort of UN agreement. Stop lying.

The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq....Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...which created a power vaccum and a date for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt.

Iraq wasn't free and stable at all. They couldn't even control the highway from Baghdad to the airport. I stopped counting at 600 acts of sabotage in the pipelines and oil facilities ... and ISIS was boiling up out the abuse of Iranian Maliki.
Obama said it was...he admitted that was what he was handed. " But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Obama Remarks by the President and First Lady on the End of the War in Iraq

ISIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one, thanks to Obama and Xiden's failed foreign policies

Yep the Iraqis Shiite majority played nice and promised to continue to play nice with the Sunni minority but guess what? They didn't. Obama was forced to confront them when they attacked the oil hub of Erbil.
hahhaha Obama bailed on a "Free and Stable" Iraq...and allowed his JV team to form a bloody, deadly, and horrible calipiate
 

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The Iraq War was a success...Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq..

Except for all those combat troops President Bush still had deployed when he left office!

.Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving

The withdrawal date was set by President Bush not President Obama. But fact of the matter is no president would leave out troops subject to the laws of Iraq.

It was a blunder, and not only launched a Civil War in Iraq, but also sparked a regional conflict that is realigning the balance of power in the region.
Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...Obama and Xiden had a great opportunity and blew it, which created more chaos in the ME...and death.

The SOFA agreement date had an end...such..like every other one in the world we have...Obama and Xiden failed to extend it.

I agree with you about the consequences of the Obama/Xiden blunder....

Why was it that President Bush was unable to secure a long term agreement with the Iraqis? His team had over a year to get it done. Wasn't there a sticking point that the Iraqis wouldn't budge on?

The blunder was the invasion itself not removing our troops on Bushes time frame.
 

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