Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

[ForeverYoung436]

Where should they have gone if nobody wanted them?

That's their problem, right? Probably should have tried to assimilate better instead of getting kicked out everywhere.

Now it's starting to come out. OK, where were you kicked out of?

I'm thinking his mommy's basement.

That's not off topic LOL.

This is the topic:

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

Try and follow along so we can avoid another thread closure and deleted posts.

Thanks.

Are you the one who posted that chart of expulsions of Jews from various countries? Doesn't that very chart PROVE why Jews should have a country of their own? Peace or no peace, a country gives the Jews the DIGNITY of not being expelled from any country.

 

[louie888]

Are you the one who posted that chart of expulsions of Jews from various countries? Doesn't that very chart PROVE why Jews should have a country of their own?

NO. Absolutely not. It proves nothing close to that. That line is incredibly stupid.

What it proves is that they should live in peace wherever they are.

 

[montelatici]

Where should they have gone if nobody wanted them?

That's their problem, right? Probably should have tried to assimilate better instead of getting kicked out everywhere.

Now it's starting to come out. OK, where were you kicked out of?

I'm thinking his mommy's basement.

That's not off topic LOL.

This is the topic:

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

Try and follow along so we can avoid another thread closure and deleted posts.

Thanks.

Are you the one who posted that chart of expulsions of Jews from various countries? Doesn't that very chart PROVE why Jews should have a country of their own? Peace or no peace, a country gives the Jews the DIGNITY of not being expelled from any country.

Not if that land was inhabited by other people who were killed or expelled.

 

[there4eyeM]

The creation of the modern state of Israel was a mistake for everyone, especially Jewish people. There is just not enough motivation to make this a state for the sake of the Hebrew religion and no necessity at all for those who simply choose to identify as 'Jewish'. Above all, if it's establishment really is based upon religion, what is the U.S. doing supporting it, in view of the First Amendment?
Still, the reality now is that it is there, and no one other than the most absurdly extreme want to see it destroyed. The problem is finding rational sollutions, and no one seems to truly want one.

 

[Shusha]

... more than a third of the Palestinians would have been relegated to be ruled by Jews permanently.

Oh no! The HORROR! To be ruled by Jews.

 

[Shusha]

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Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

And this thread is 7 pages long and not one poster came on here claiming it would bode well for peace. That speaks volumes, especially considering the posters here.

Here's the bottom line problem with this thread and its premise.

You claim that giving Palestine to extremist Jews would not bode well for peace and then go on to paint the Jewish collective as ALL extremist over ALL time, by your implication that if the Jews get kicked out of places -- it MUST be that they are inherently wicked.

So here is the simple answer to your question. Giving sovereignty to any extremist group is problematic. But the Jewish people are not extremists. (Though there may be small groups of extremists among them.) There is nothing extreme about wanting self-determination in your own land.

 

[louie888]

You claim that giving Palestine to extremist Jews would not bode well for peace and then go on to paint the Jewish collective as ALL extremist over ALL time, by your implication that if the Jews get kicked out of places -- it MUST be that they are inherently wicked.

I never claimed that or anything close. The point is that they have never learned to live in peace with any nation that took them in prior and that's the bottom line.

OF COURSE IT WOULD NOT BODE WELL FOR PEACE!

 

[Shusha]

Not if that land was inhabited by other people who were killed or expelled.

So, just to be clear, if no one was killed or expelled, it would have been fine?

 

[Shusha]

I never claimed that or anything close. The point is that they have never learned to live in peace with any nation that took them in prior and that's the bottom line.

OF COURSE IT WOULD NOT BODE WELL FOR PEACE!

Look, you only have two choices here. Either your silly little meme relates to the OP about extremist Jews, in which case, my point stands. OR your silly little meme does not relate to the OP about extremist Jews, in which case you are derailing your own thread.

So, which is it?

You seem to be claiming that the Jewish people inherently are unable to live at peace with anyone.

 

[Shusha]

louie888

Why don't you go back and answer the question I posed in post #22?

See that territory up there ^^^? How much of that territory SHOULD be under the sovereignty and self-determination of the Jewish people? 1/2? 3/4? 1/4? None?

 

[louie888]

Look, you only have two choices here. Either your silly little meme relates to the OP about extremist Jews, in which case, my point stands. OR your silly little meme does not relate to the OP about extremist Jews, in which case you are derailing your own thread.

So, which is it?

You seem to be claiming that the Jewish people inherently are unable to live at peace with anyone.

YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT. Read his words again...

Now ask yourself if that could possibly bode well for peace. We both know the answer.

 

[louie888]

You seem to be claiming that the Jewish people inherently are unable to live at peace with anyone.

I'm not claiming that. History shows that.

 

[teddyearp]

Seriously now. Could you imagine the UN giving Dallas, TX to a religious cult from Mexico? Does anyone really believe that that would work?

Beyond that, we are talking about a group that already had had to be expelled from pretty much everywhere else where they ever tried to occupy.

Pretty crazy when you think about it, no?

Thank you so much for proving EXACTLY why the Jews deserve their national home, Israel. Because they have been fiercely persecuted everywhere else.

Pretty crazy when you think about it, no?

 

[Shusha]

YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT. Read his words again...
Now ask yourself if that could possibly bode well for peace. We both know the answer.

You really need to pick a point and settle on it. Is the problem that Jews are inherently unable to live in peace with anyone, as you first articulated? Or is it specifically the problem of the formation of Israel, which you articulate with a bastardized meme which inaccurately portrays Ben Gurion's words?

 

[flacaltenn]

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The Palestinians have never had the possibility of self government. Even in 1948, more than a third of the Palestinians would have been relegated to be ruled by Jews permanently. All the other "offers" were attempts to get the Palestinians to formally agree to permanent Jewish military occupation and permanent Jewish control of their borders, air space and territorial sea.

That's BS.. They had the ENTIRE West Bank and representation in the Jordanian Parliament and they blew it. They got their asses tossed out of Jordan for launching a military assault on Amman. They also had a fully functional PA in Israel, FULL possession of Gaza, and their OWN local police and services funded by DOZENS of foreign governments and they BLEW THAT.. Need me to go on?

Oh please, the Palestinians are not Hashemite Bedouins, Jordan was established as a Hashemite Bedouin (Arabians) state. The country is controlled by and for the Hashemite Bedouins, it has done nothing for Palestinian self-determination. Their attempt to achieve self-determination through violence in a state where they were not the native people was a mistake, on the other hand they were emulating what the Jews did in their native land and two wrongs don't make a right, I agree. Today they make up 50% or more of the population and they don't have many more rights than Arab citizens of Israel have, A fully functional PA in an occupied territory is no different than Vichy France, that's not self-determination, it is just accepting and validating permanent military occupation. In Gaza Israel controls the borders, territorial sea, the air space and collects taxes. Gaza is occupied by Israel as the ICJ has determined. Do I need to go on blowing this Zionist propaganda out of the water?

Not gonna get into TRIBAL fusses with you in THIS thread. It's a ridiculous assertion that any PEOPLE need to live in a TRIBALLY segregated Zone or country... Kinda kills you're "peace and love" in the HolyLand plan doesn't it? Since we're talking about who's been tossed out of various countries, it needs to pointed out that the Complainants in this thread -- the Palis --- apparently have a HUGE ISSUE in living with other Tribes and cultures... I don't give a damn about every pesky Arab tribe getting their own ******* country... If the Jews had that psychological problem --- they'd need TWELVE countries..

Arabs are people that speak Arabic, they are not all Arabians. Austrians and German-speaking Swiss for example are Germanic, but they are not Germans. The Spanish and other nationalities are Hispanic, but a Colombian or Mexican is not a Spaniard. A Tunisian is an Arab, but barring language is far closer culturally to other people of the Mediterranean than an Arabian. Palestinians have the same right as other people to self determination, it has nothing to do with tribalism. Nor is it a psychological problem with the Palestinians unless any people desiring independence and self-determination have a psychological problem, Jews included.

And Jews are not people who just speak Hebrew either. Does that mean they NEED separate freaking countries for Sephardics and Askenasi and a third for OTHER??? Or maybe 12 countries for each of their "tribal loyalties"???

Point of this thread is - the CLAIMANTS to Palestine also have a record of "not playing well with others" EVEN in Arab lands.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not if that land was inhabited by other people who were killed or expelled.

So, just to be clear, if no one was killed or expelled, it would have been fine?

That would have been a big step in the right direction.

 

[there4eyeM]

Jewish people have not been 'fiercely persecuted' in North America.

 

[teddyearp]

The land allocated to the Arab State in the final plan included about 43% of Mandatory Palestine... The Jewish State was to receive 56% of Mandatory Palestine...

Epic fail. I think you need to do more research. The original Mandate included Jordan. That was the part allocated for an Arab state.

The problem is that the Muslims have a hatred for Jews that goes back to the creator of their 'religion'. When the Jews did not accept Islam as the one true religion.

 

[teddyearp]

Trying to keep us on topic.

Yes, good advice. For you.

 

[there4eyeM]

Where I grew up, the Jewish community was well respected. The little anti-Semitism that existed was regarded by thinking people as absurdly stupid. By today's standards, it was quite racist, but by no means 'anti-semitic'.