Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

[teddyearp]

Jewish people have not been 'fiercely persecuted' in North America.

OK. I'll drop the 'fiercely'. Better now?

 

[flacaltenn]

I never abandoned it lol, I posted the JVL link. Take it up with the Jewish virtual library if you still don't get it.

If you like the JVL list better -- bring it down -- we'll discuss that one also..

Just thought you'd be more prepared to defend your 1st list..

 

[louie888]

I never abandoned it lol, I posted the JVL link. Take it up with the Jewish virtual library if you still don't get it.

If you like the JVL list better -- bring it down -- we'll discuss that one also..

Just thought you'd be more prepared to defend your 1st list..

I don't like it better and I did bring it down. Need I copy/paste the whole thing for you? And I don't care to defend an issue or two with the list from the meme when over 100 expulsions are agreed upon by historians.

Bottom line: they never should have been thrusted upon the people of Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The land allocated to the Arab State in the final plan included about 43% of Mandatory Palestine... The Jewish State was to receive 56% of Mandatory Palestine...

Epic fail. I think you need to do more research. The original Mandate included Jordan. That was the part allocated for an Arab state.

The problem is that the Muslims have a hatred for Jews that goes back to the creator of their 'religion'. When the Jews did not accept Islam as the one true religion.

Where was "Arab state" ever mentioned?

 

[flacaltenn]

I never abandoned it lol, I posted the JVL link. Take it up with the Jewish virtual library if you still don't get it.

If you like the JVL list better -- bring it down -- we'll discuss that one also..

Just thought you'd be more prepared to defend your 1st list..

I don't like it better and I did bring it down. Need I copy/paste the whole thing for you? And I don't care to defend an issue or two with the list from the meme when over 100 expulsions are agreed upon by historians.

Bottom line: they never should have been thrusted upon the people of Palestine.

I'm sorry.. The one instance of the Netherlands that I picked at random is DISHONEST and lacks any historical context. And I dismissed your 1st 500 years of history as ridiculous. So how many MORE of the more RECENT items on that list do you want to discuss in any detail? They DO NOT represent what you SAY they represent as a whole. And it's your turn to pick one..

 

[flacaltenn]

Keep up there Louie.... On your list is this interesting expulsion.. USA --- 1862 (Grant)

Did you research that one? It's a doozy.... I think we should scratch that one the hell off since Lincoln fixed the issue.. And you have several CITIES listed multiple times in as many years. Like Prague or Mainz. Were the Nazis who made this list just fluffing it out a bit there?

Did you REALLY BELIEVE jews were expelled by the US govt in 1862 ????

 

[louie888]

I dismiss this whole tactic as ridiculous. LOL, man, dismiss whatever makes you feel better.

Encyclopedia Judaica:Explusions
Expulsions

 

[louie888]

Keep up there Louie.... On your list is this interesting expulsion.. USA --- 1862 (Grant)

Did you research that one? It's a doozy.... I think we should scratch that one the hell off since Lincoln fixed the issue.. And you have several CITIES listed multiple times in as many years. Like Prague or Mainz. Were the Nazis who made this list just fluffing it out a bit there?

No, why?

Did you REALLY BELIEVE jews were expelled by the US govt in 1862 ????

General Order No. 11 was the title of an order issued by Major-General Ulysses S. Grant on December 17, 1862, during the American Civil War. It ordered the expulsion of all Jews in his military district, comprising areas of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky.
General Order No. 11 (1862) - Wikipedia

32+ thousand posts? Shouldn't you be better at this?

 

[montelatici]

Keep up there Louie.... On your list is this interesting expulsion.. USA --- 1862 (Grant)

Did you research that one? It's a doozy.... I think we should scratch that one the hell off since Lincoln fixed the issue.. And you have several CITIES listed multiple times in as many years. Like Prague or Mainz. Were the Nazis who made this list just fluffing it out a bit there?

Did you REALLY BELIEVE jews were expelled by the US govt in 1862 ????

"On this day in 1862, during the Civil War, U.S. Army General Ulysses S. Grant, the future 18th president of the United States, issues General Order No. 11, expelling Jews suspected of engaging in war profiteering"

Grant expels Jews from Tennessee, Kentucky and Mississippi - Dec 17, 1862 - HISTORY.com

 

[flacaltenn]

Keep up there Louie.... On your list is this interesting expulsion.. USA --- 1862 (Grant)

Did you research that one? It's a doozy.... I think we should scratch that one the hell off since Lincoln fixed the issue.. And you have several CITIES listed multiple times in as many years. Like Prague or Mainz. Were the Nazis who made this list just fluffing it out a bit there?

No, why?

Did you REALLY BELIEVE jews were expelled by the US govt in 1862 ????

General Order No. 11 was the title of an order issued by Major-General Ulysses S. Grant on December 17, 1862, during the American Civil War. It ordered the expulsion of all Jews in his military district, comprising areas of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky.
General Order No. 11 (1862) - Wikipedia

32+ thousand posts? Shouldn't you be better at this?

Yep December 17th 1862 by a Yankee fanatic General... Countermanded by Prez Lincoln in an executive order in January 1863. Not the FIRST time that this anti-semite, hard drinking, SOB got called onto the carpet in the Oval Office. Did you not KNOW this??? Again I ask because there's so much that you don't know.... Didn't happen.. Orders traveled slowly back then.. It was before the StormFront discovered Twitter or USMB...

Yep -- LOTS of posts I've made. And I'm VERY good at this...

 

[louie888]

You keep failing miserably. You failed right there and you failed on the Netherlands claim as well...

In 1444 Jews were expelled from the city of Utrecht, and until 1789 no Jew might pass the night there.

History of the Jews in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

 

[flacaltenn]

You keep failing miserably. You failed right there and you failed on the Netherlands claim as well...

In 1444 Jews were expelled from the city of Utrecht, and until 1789 no Jew might pass the night there.

History of the Jews in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

I didn't say that there no expulsions from cities in that region. Only that those cities were NOT under the control of the Netherlands. I imagine at that time -- Utrecht was taking orders from the Spanish Govt who was about to be the Meanest Ass Theocracy known to the world prior to ISIL...

 

[flacaltenn]

The entry for the Netherlands circa 1582 is TOTALLY misleading because a few years later -- the Netherlands asserted itself and tore away from the Spanish influence. Leaving the Netherlands as an actual HAVEN for Jews.

 

[flacaltenn]

You keep failing miserably. You failed right there and you failed on the Netherlands claim as well...

In 1444 Jews were expelled from the city of Utrecht, and until 1789 no Jew might pass the night there.

History of the Jews in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

UTRECHT - JewishEncyclopedia.com They were given residence in a village a few miles out of town.. Essentially REPEALING the ban.. In 1444, you lived where you were TOLD to live. No real estate agents involved...

 

[louie888]

Fine, but the list is accurate. Let's move. They were thrown out of multiple countries, areas, and cities, fair?

Now then, how could it have possibly worked on longtime inhabited Muslim holy land?

 

[montelatici]

Keep up there Louie.... On your list is this interesting expulsion.. USA --- 1862 (Grant)

Did you research that one? It's a doozy.... I think we should scratch that one the hell off since Lincoln fixed the issue.. And you have several CITIES listed multiple times in as many years. Like Prague or Mainz. Were the Nazis who made this list just fluffing it out a bit there?

No, why?

Did you REALLY BELIEVE jews were expelled by the US govt in 1862 ????

General Order No. 11 was the title of an order issued by Major-General Ulysses S. Grant on December 17, 1862, during the American Civil War. It ordered the expulsion of all Jews in his military district, comprising areas of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky.
General Order No. 11 (1862) - Wikipedia

32+ thousand posts? Shouldn't you be better at this?

Yep December 17th 1862 by a Yankee fanatic General... Countermanded by Prez Lincoln in an executive order in January 1863. Not the FIRST time that this anti-semite, hard drinking, SOB got called onto the carpet in the Oval Office. Did you not KNOW this??? Again I ask because there's so much that you don't know.... Didn't happen.. Orders traveled slowly back then.. It was before the StormFront discovered Twitter or USMB...

Yep -- LOTS of posts I've made. And I'm VERY good at this...

So, the Jews were expelled and Grant became president later. Game, set, match.

 

[flacaltenn]

Keep up there Louie.... On your list is this interesting expulsion.. USA --- 1862 (Grant)

Did you research that one? It's a doozy.... I think we should scratch that one the hell off since Lincoln fixed the issue.. And you have several CITIES listed multiple times in as many years. Like Prague or Mainz. Were the Nazis who made this list just fluffing it out a bit there?

No, why?

Did you REALLY BELIEVE jews were expelled by the US govt in 1862 ????

General Order No. 11 was the title of an order issued by Major-General Ulysses S. Grant on December 17, 1862, during the American Civil War. It ordered the expulsion of all Jews in his military district, comprising areas of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky.
General Order No. 11 (1862) - Wikipedia

32+ thousand posts? Shouldn't you be better at this?

Yep December 17th 1862 by a Yankee fanatic General... Countermanded by Prez Lincoln in an executive order in January 1863. Not the FIRST time that this anti-semite, hard drinking, SOB got called onto the carpet in the Oval Office. Did you not KNOW this??? Again I ask because there's so much that you don't know.... Didn't happen.. Orders traveled slowly back then.. It was before the StormFront discovered Twitter or USMB...

Yep -- LOTS of posts I've made. And I'm VERY good at this...

So, the Jews were expelled and Grant became president later. Game, set, match.

Are you gonna make a historical declaration that Grant expellled the Jews as President?

Or are still gloating that the alcoholic anti-Semitic SOB won election??

 

[flacaltenn]

Fine, but the list is accurate. Let's move. They were thrown out of multiple countries, areas, and cities, fair?

Now then, how could it have possibly worked on longtime inhabited Muslim holy land?

Well junior that's another bedtime story I guess. Has to do with the LOOOONG history of Jewish civilization in that region and is NOT the topic of this thread. You need to prove that ANY of those expulsions were because Jews were aggressive, political, or not peaceful. You'll find a few. Probably the Russian Revolution and such. But for the vast majority of those expulsions -- they were victims of Theocratic monarchies aligning themselves with a STATE church. Or just plain intolerance of religion.

It's not like they stabbed the King of Jordan in the back -- grabbed some Soviet tanks and tried to take over the Capitol city of Jordan or anything..... King was so pissed, he told Israel and the World to TAKE HIS West Bank and keep it..

 

[louie888]

I love when you guys claim someone who is dead and cannot defend themselves is anti-Semitic.

BTW, During his campaign for the presidency in 1868, Grant claimed that he had issued the order without prejudice against Jews, but simply as a way to address a problem that certain Jews had caused....
General Order No. 11 (1862) - Wikipedia

 

[Shusha]

I dismiss this whole tactic as ridiculous. LOL, man, dismiss whatever makes you feel better

Yes, flacaltenn, how DARE you actually address the claims the OP brought up? Point by point! The nerve!