Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

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Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!


I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

You assume Israel would have reneged. Israel has never reneged yet, so your assumption is baseless.

Delusions ? about Israel destroying the peace process when in fact Israel has made every effort.


Can you seriously see the Israeli parliment supporting Olmert's plan? Seriously? He was politically weak and under investigation for corruption.

I could be wrong but, I can't imagine that an Israeli PM can unilaterally do this sort of thing. Certainly and American president could not.

No, the Israelis seem to be at an impasse. No self respecting Israeli would place any trust in any agreement the present group of Arab Muslims in Israel might make. Even if their leadership was actually leading them, the Israeli's have learned the hard way not to trust them.

I think the only way there will be peace is to eliminate the Arab Muslims that prefer war. Exactly as the Geneva Conventions dictate. Collect them in least damaging manor possible and remove them from the host nation.
 
Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!


I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

You assume Israel would have reneged. Israel has never reneged yet, so your assumption is baseless.

Delusions ? about Israel destroying the peace process when in fact Israel has made every effort.


Can you seriously see the Israeli parliment supporting Olmert's plan? Seriously? He was politically weak and under investigation for corruption.

I could be wrong but, I can't imagine that an Israeli PM can unilaterally do this sort of thing. Certainly and American president could not.

No, the Israelis seem to be at an impasse. No self respecting Israeli would place any trust in any agreement the present group of Arab Muslims in Israel might make. Even if their leadership was actually leading them, the Israeli's have learned the hard way not to trust them.

I think the only way there will be peace is to eliminate the Arab Muslims that prefer war. Exactly as the Geneva Conventions dictate. Collect them in least damaging manor possible and remove them from the host nation.

And you determine that how?
 
You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!


I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

You assume Israel would have reneged. Israel has never reneged yet, so your assumption is baseless.

Delusions ? about Israel destroying the peace process when in fact Israel has made every effort.


Can you seriously see the Israeli parliment supporting Olmert's plan? Seriously? He was politically weak and under investigation for corruption.

I could be wrong but, I can't imagine that an Israeli PM can unilaterally do this sort of thing. Certainly and American president could not.

No, the Israelis seem to be at an impasse. No self respecting Israeli would place any trust in any agreement the present group of Arab Muslims in Israel might make. Even if their leadership was actually leading them, the Israeli's have learned the hard way not to trust them.

I think the only way there will be peace is to eliminate the Arab Muslims that prefer war. Exactly as the Geneva Conventions dictate. Collect them in least damaging manor possible and remove them from the host nation.

And you determine that how?

Its not hard to determine that the Arab Muslim leadership in Israel is far more than just fragmented. Its a hopeless mosh of corrupt western imposed puppet regimes and mobs of either refugees, and any number of classifications of civilians

The Arab Muslims throughout the region appear to be ungovernable. Its not a determination as much as its an observation. Syria is more than a mess, Iran LOL, Iraq yikes. Lebanon, even the typically stable Egypt fell apart over the last decade or so.

No the Israeli state is hands down the most stable and it is so partly because of its inherent distrust of the Arab hoards which surround it.
 
Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!


I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

Nope, it would never have been supported...

Had the Palestinians accepted I don't believe it would have given an "advantage" it would most likely have achieved nothing, or, far worse, just been another stick to beat the Palestinians with for accepting 'bribes' from a corrupt politician who was not only on his way down but also on his way to jail!

IMHO it was actually a good decision NOT to accept the offers of a corrupt, defeated politician!
 
Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!


I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

Nope, it would never have been supported...

Had the Palestinians accepted I don't believe it would have given an "advantage" it would most likely have achieved nothing, or, far worse, just been another stick to beat the Palestinians with for accepting 'bribes' from a corrupt politician who was not only on his way down but also on his way to jail!

IMHO it was actually a good decision NOT to accept the offers of a corrupt, defeated politician!

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It was too good of a deal for the Arab Muslims and I don't think it would have led to problems, I'm thrilled the Arab Muslims weren't bright enough to take the deal.

As it stands the Arab Muslims have so thoroughly squandered any credibility they ever might have had ( which isn't saying much ) they'll have a long hard road ahead of proving they mean well.

The Israeli's aren't about to offer such a great deal twice and the Arab Muslims have so much work to do just within their own society; let alone in foreign relations that we can expect the present level of restrictions if not even stiffer restrictions to last a very very long time.

And justifiably so.

Its delusional to think that without massive changes in Arab Muslim society in Israel there could ever be much in the way of trust on the part of the Israeli's. The Arab Muslims have a LOT of work to do if they are going to earn any trust from the world community.
 
You're part of the miniscule minority that believes in the illusion of a Jordan/Israel 2 state solution ;)

Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

I feel compelled to respond "resistance is futile"

But Your response implies that Israel has no rights to intern POWs, it most certainly does.

Every country has the right to self defense and as a consequence of that self defense its well established in the Geneva conventions that a country may take prisoners of war and may assess the protected persons status of any remaining non uniformed belligerents at any time within the course of the conflict.

Since not all signatories of the original 1948 declaration of war against Israel by the Arab League have signed peace agreements and given that the requirements for a cessation of a condition of war have not been met then a condition of war still exists

Its not even a question really.

Its all spelled out in the conventions.

Israel could in fact repatriate any person or persons who forfeits their protected persons status.

Its the delusion that a peace can exist prior to the removal of the enemy combatants thats really slowing things down. If the Israeli's just would toughen up some and get the job done we might be able to clear this mess up fairly fast.

Again, reality check: Rhodes is proposing that Israel is going to move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and annex it all. That is the statement we're working with. That's something like, what - 5 million people who can't be "repatriated" because they are citizens of either Israel or they are Palestinians with no other citizenship.

Where will you put them?

Look how we're struggling with the Syrian refugee crisis and huge numbers of people. No one can be forced to take them if Israel wants to expel them. So how will this occur?

A I don't agree that all Arab Muslims deserve to be removed from the area in question.

B Those that I would support repatriating are POWs having lost their protected persons status based on their own behavior. In which case Israel is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHERE THEY GO. But Israel is within its rights to lead them to the border and show them the door.

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How many times do I have to quote the applicable articles ?

How does the delusion that the applicable articles do not exist further peace in the middle east.

I understand that - BUT - my response is directed at what Rhodescholar claimed, which is ALL Arab Muslims from Gaza and WB.

Second, regardless of what the articles say - you can not take a nonl-citizen to the border of another sovereign nation, and let them go - that nation has no requirement to accept a non-citizen and in fact can close it's borders if it wishes. Your claims might look good on paper but they do not withstand the reality test. Israel may not be responsible for where they go, but no one is responsible for taking them either.
 
Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

I feel compelled to respond "resistance is futile"

But Your response implies that Israel has no rights to intern POWs, it most certainly does.

Every country has the right to self defense and as a consequence of that self defense its well established in the Geneva conventions that a country may take prisoners of war and may assess the protected persons status of any remaining non uniformed belligerents at any time within the course of the conflict.

Since not all signatories of the original 1948 declaration of war against Israel by the Arab League have signed peace agreements and given that the requirements for a cessation of a condition of war have not been met then a condition of war still exists

Its not even a question really.

Its all spelled out in the conventions.

Israel could in fact repatriate any person or persons who forfeits their protected persons status.

Its the delusion that a peace can exist prior to the removal of the enemy combatants thats really slowing things down. If the Israeli's just would toughen up some and get the job done we might be able to clear this mess up fairly fast.

Again, reality check: Rhodes is proposing that Israel is going to move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and annex it all. That is the statement we're working with. That's something like, what - 5 million people who can't be "repatriated" because they are citizens of either Israel or they are Palestinians with no other citizenship.

Where will you put them?

Look how we're struggling with the Syrian refugee crisis and huge numbers of people. No one can be forced to take them if Israel wants to expel them. So how will this occur?

A I don't agree that all Arab Muslims deserve to be removed from the area in question.

B Those that I would support repatriating are POWs having lost their protected persons status based on their own behavior. In which case Israel is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHERE THEY GO. But Israel is within its rights to lead them to the border and show them the door.

Question
How many times do I have to quote the applicable articles ?

How does the delusion that the applicable articles do not exist further peace in the middle east.

I understand that - BUT - my response is directed at what Rhodescholar claimed, which is ALL Arab Muslims from Gaza and WB.

Second, regardless of what the articles say - you can not take a nonl-citizen to the border of another sovereign nation, and let them go - that nation has no requirement to accept a non-citizen and in fact can close it's borders if it wishes. Your claims might look good on paper but they do not withstand the reality test. Israel may not be responsible for where they go, but no one is responsible for taking them either.

Israel could easily force them across several borders. Thats the reality.

Does she possess the resolve to carry out the Geneva Convention articles. I'm not so sure, but Israel definitely has the ability. If all else fails she could stuff them into Gaza.
 
And no, not regardless of what the articles say. The entirety of international law concerning the conduct of war lies within the Geneva Conventions. There is no regardless.

Everything in response to the Arab Aggression ( declaration of war 1948 ) must be in accordance with the established laws governing the conduct of war.

Agree with it or not Israel has attempted to take the high ground in every instance

For instance

the Arab countries expelled the Judaic people during and post mandate period, the Judaic people invited the Arab muslims to stay within the areas of Judaic influence.

Even now after all the violence and racism, Pallywood and other nonsense from the Arabs in Israel. Israel still refrains from enacting the Geneva Conventions and expelling any significant number of Arab Muslims.

The only delusion here is that the Israeli's haven't acted with extreme forbearance, making every imaginable effort to find middle ground with the Arab Muslims
 
LMAO

I love how you conveniently forgot the pogroms against the Judaic people right about this same time frame.

Might have a slight effect on the population if you slaughter most of them wouldn't you say ?

Seems like you are having delusions which might interfear with the peace process

Pogroms angainst a mthical "Judaic people", Genocides in 1896 Palestine ("Might have a slight effect on the population if you slaughter most of them")...Too much peyote obviously. :rolleyes:
 
Everything in response to the Arab Aggression ( declaration of war 1948 ) must be in accordance with the established laws governing the conduct of war.

Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.
 
You're part of the miniscule minority that believes in the illusion of a Jordan/Israel 2 state solution ;)

Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?





Why don't the arab nations have enough to house the terrorists in waiting. When the Jews are the ones being forced to move you turn a blind eye and state that they are duallies so can go to Israel
 
In case anyone is wondering what I mean by "that ship has sailed", this happened a few days ago.

Israel is done with the delusion of finding a partner for peace. She is going to look after her own interests. Unilaterally. That includes building a corridor from Jerusalem to Jericho and the border with Jordan. This corridor will provide essential security access to defend her borders, and, hey, if a few tourism dollars find their way to her that will be a nice perk. Unfortunately, this spells the end of a contiguous wanna-be Palestinian State, though it is not too late for a Palestinian-only highway to connect the two halves. It also dispels any illusions (delusions) that Jerusalem is on the negotiating table. Which also, of course, solves the problem of the Temple Mount.

I don't think Israel ever had any intention of living up to the Oslo 61/39% agreement over Area C - that much is clear from it's continued "facts on the ground" activity. This was what Israel has wanted from the beginning.

I wonder if any of it is privately owned land?






I wonder if you have done your homework and checked on the forced expulsion of the Jews in 1949 and the theft of their land in area C. I wonder how much of area C is actually Jewish owned land and was stolen by the Palestinians in 1949 ? It has always been the muslims who never had any intention of ever living up to what they have agreed since Oslo 1. This is shown by their refusal to talk peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours as the promised in 1988, and again when they were granted observer status at the UN. They will make a promise that they know they will never keep and play along until they are found out
 
An interesting analysis of the current state of non-peace. It's disturbing, because in order to overcome the status quo, deep changes in national psyche need to be looked at on both sides. It offers a very different analysis than what I usually see.

Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

......There are certain psychological concepts that are relevant to understanding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; the concept of illusion is an essential one. In The Future of an Illusion, Freud offers the following definition: “…we call a belief an illusion when a wish-fulfillment is a prominent factor in its motivation, and in doing so we disregard its relations to reality, just as the illusion itself sets no store by verification.”


What is characteristic of illusions is that: 1) they are derived from deep human wishes, and 2) the belief is held (or would be held) in the absence of any compelling evidence, or good rational grounds, on its behalf.


It is impossible to deny that both Israelis and Palestinians are in the grip of very powerful illusions that only serve to prolong the conflict and prevent any mutual understanding. In particular, the belief shared by many Israelis that they have a biblical right to the land (including Judea and Samaria) and that God gave it to the Jews in perpetuity is undoubtedly an illusion of yesterday.


This belief is not affirmed because there is real evidence that God deemed it to be (although two Jewish kingdoms did exist — the first in the tenth century BCE and the second beginning in 539 BCE — on the same land), but because it satisfies a deep-seated psychological need for a God-given Jewish homeland.


The belief that by expanding the settlements Israel will augment its national security and maintain its hold on the entire land is an illusion of tomorrow, which generally ignores the presence of Muslims in the same land for more than 1,300 years.


It is important to note how these illusions sustain and reinforce one another, and constitute a psychological barrier that is much more impervious to critical reflection. Israel’s illusions have served to create the logic for occupation.


The Palestinians, for their part, are not without their own illusions. They also believe that God has reserved the land for them, and appeal to the fact that they had inhabited the land for centuries. From their perspective, the presence of the al-Aqsa Mosque, which was built in 705 AD in Jerusalem, attests to their historical and religious affinity to the Holy City.


They also cling to the idea that they will someday return to the land of their forbears, as they have and continue to insist on the right of return of the Palestinian refugees, even though this has become a virtual impossibility.


The Palestinians hold fast to their illusions of yesterday and tomorrow just as blindly and desperately as the Israelis, which leads to resistance to and fear of change. As such, unless both sides change course and accept each other’s affinity to the same land, specifically because it is religiously-based, the situation is bound to lead to a catastrophe.


This has contributed to making the Israeli-Palestinian conflict both chronic and intractable, as the various illusions are continuously and consciously nurtured by daily hostile and often violent encounters between the two sides.


In seeking to bridge concepts that could link between the domains of psychology and politics in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it could be proposed that a collective mutual resistance to change (both conscious and deliberate, and inner unconscious) protects a vulnerable identity.


Compared, for example, to the stable and mature political identities of the American, British, and French nations, the political identities of both the Israeli and Palestinian peoples are, in a way, in their adolescence.


Identities in this setting are more vulnerable, and the protagonists are naturally more defensive and resistant to change. By its very nature, the players must find it difficult (if not impossible) to articulate this publicly, as to do so is to admit to this vulnerability.


The concept of psychological resistance to change may well affect the political setting in general and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in particular; it is closely connected to perceptions at many levels and provides protection for vulnerable identity formation.


It is this mindset, strengthened by historical experiences, which transcends the more than seven decades since the Israeli-Palestinian conflict began. Individuals and groups, Israelis and Palestinians alike, have and continue to interpret the nature of the discord between them as “you versus me” in a prejudiced and selective way.


In turn, this has stifled any new information and enabled the continuing resistance to change, which could shed new light on the nature and substance of the conflict and help advance the peace process.


The concept of unconscious resistance to change in this setting links well to the view of perceptions driving the polarization in the conflict. Historical experience, which formulates perceptions, serves among other things to enhance the sense of identity of “who we really are,” a formative collective assumption that sits at the bedrock of both key players and drives functional and dysfunctional behavior.


In principle, such a mindset prevents either side from entertaining new ideas that might lead to compromises for a peaceful solution. The paradox here is that majorities on both sides do want and seek peace, knowing full well that this would require significant concessions, but are unable to reconcile the required concessions with imbedded perceptions that have precluded these compromises as a result of resistance to and fear of change.


Therefore, any framework for peace must include provisions that would dramatically increase the odds in favor of a solution. First, both sides need to commit to reaching an agreement based on a two-state solution out of the conviction that change, which translates to coexistence, is inevitable. Therefore, they ought to adjust to each other’s requirements, which of necessity requires them to make significant concessions.


Second, to facilitate that, they must undertake reconciliatory people-to-people social, economic, cultural, and security interactions to mitigate their resistance to change, which must begin, at a minimum, one year before the negotiations commence to create the psychological and political atmosphere to cultivate the trust necessary for substantive and successful peace negotiations...


The resumption of peace talks will go nowhere unless Israelis and Palestinians change their prejudiced perception and resistance to and fear of change, and finally come to the realization that their fate is intertwined and neither can live in peace and security without the other.

The above will never happen for these reasons;

Demanding Israel return to " borders" that were never recognized

Demanding some of the " 67 borders" we hear about so much

Refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish State

Their plan to eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State.

Vs. Israel's plan to annex what would have been a Palestinian state and expel the residents?






LINK or are you just parroting Jew hatred again ?
 
Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!


I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.






Unfortunately the Palestinians are very good at missing the chance to miss the chance and always end up the bad guys. They had an offer that would have given them everything the wanted but ownership of Israel and they refused to even talk until they got it. They have refused to talk ever since, and now Israel is saying you have had your chance now you will wait on us.
 
Everything in response to the Arab Aggression ( declaration of war 1948 ) must be in accordance with the established laws governing the conduct of war.

Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.






Can you prove that with a link saying those exact words, otherwise you are manipulating and inciting religious intolerance and violence
 
Now to get the rest of old Challenged stuff over here on the delusions thread. Right where it belongs.

Some of this stuff is priceless.

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Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.

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Now I ask you, why would the about 60 nation muslim voting block out of 180 or so nations, fully 1/3, the largest voting block in the UN condemn a group of its own ?

Or when did the UN approve the Arab League declaration of war ?

And what ethnic cleansing ? had the Israeli's alluded to any such intentions ?

The guys just off his rocker completely. Or shall we say "delusional'
 
Now to get the rest of old Challenged stuff over here on the delusions thread. Right where it belongs.

Some of this stuff is priceless.

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Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.

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Now I ask you, why would the about 60 nation muslim voting block out of 180 or so nations, fully 1/3, the largest voting block in the UN condemn a group of its own ?

Or when did the UN approve the Arab League declaration of war ?

And what ethnic cleansing ? had the Israeli's alluded to any such intentions ?

The guys just off his rocker completely. Or shall we say "delusional'

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf
 
Now to get the rest of old Challenged stuff over here on the delusions thread. Right where it belongs.

Some of this stuff is priceless.

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Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.

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Now I ask you, why would the about 60 nation muslim voting block out of 180 or so nations, fully 1/3, the largest voting block in the UN condemn a group of its own ?

Or when did the UN approve the Arab League declaration of war ?

And what ethnic cleansing ? had the Israeli's alluded to any such intentions ?

The guys just off his rocker completely. Or shall we say "delusional'

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

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Rhodes is proposing that Israel is going to move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and annex it all. That is the statement we're working with. That's something like, what - 5 million people who can't be "repatriated" because they are citizens of either Israel or they are Palestinians with no other citizenship. Where will you put them? Look how we're struggling with the Syrian refugee crisis and huge numbers of people. No one can be forced to take them if Israel wants to expel them. So how will this occur?

The vast majority of the arabs (other than the druze and bedouin) are descendants from arabs who migrated from the surrounding arab countries from the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s, this is a fact supported by all of the research and census data, whether it came from Norman Finkelstein or anyone else.

Given that there is but one jewish state - and no sane arab muslim can pretend that muslims have not horrifically treated jews for 1,400 years - and 22 arab ones, and that there are over 5 million syrian refugees in Turkey and Jordan right now, then moving/transferring the gazan/WB arabs to other neighboring arab states with their massive areas is not a feasible move.
 
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