Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

[ForeverYoung436]

Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!

Olmert was the Prime Minister, not President. And Abbas rejected Biden's peace plan only last week.

 

[Challenger]

And Abbas rejected Biden's peace plan only last week.

Hadn't Nutandyahoo already rejected the same plan?

 

[Phoenall]

In case anyone is wondering what I mean by "that ship has sailed", this happened a few days ago.

Israel is done with the delusion of finding a partner for peace. She is going to look after her own interests. Unilaterally. That includes building a corridor from Jerusalem to Jericho and the border with Jordan. This corridor will provide essential security access to defend her borders, and, hey, if a few tourism dollars find their way to her that will be a nice perk. Unfortunately, this spells the end of a contiguous wanna-be Palestinian State, though it is not too late for a Palestinian-only highway to connect the two halves. It also dispels any illusions (delusions) that Jerusalem is on the negotiating table. Which also, of course, solves the problem of the Temple Mount.

Which was the Zionist plan all along.

'...it was Israel’s Arab neighbours, not Israel, who consistently sought peace. And it was Israel (and its Western allies) who consistently rejected peace, or limited it so as to maintain Israel’s hegemony over the Palestinians and the region. Time and again the Israelis had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the peace table.

Israel finally made peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan, but only after the very costly Yom Kippur War made it clear to Israel that it could not continue in isolation from its neighbours.

Despite peace with Egypt, Israel's continued maltreatment of the Palestinians led to the First Intifada, in 1987, which served as a wakeup call that the occupation was intolerable. The eventual result was the Oslo Accords, kickstarted by the PLO's full and official recognition of Israel in 1993. So the PLO has officially recognized Israel's right to exist for 22 years.

The Oslo Accords were sabotaged by Israel's continuing and relentless settlement-building and the Palestinians rose again in 2001. But even as the Second Intifada was raging, the Arab League made a another comprehensive peace proposal, receiving unanimous approval from all of Israel's neighbours (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and others such as Saudi Arabia and the Emirates). The proposal was based on recognition of the Israeli state, normalization of relations between the entire Arab region and Israel in return for a complete withdrawal from the occupied territories and a just settlement of the refugee situation based on UN Resolution 194. This was re-endorsed by the Arab League in 2007.'---"Israeli Rejectionism: A Hidden Agenda in the Middle East Peace Process" by Daphna Levit and Zalman Amit.

And which islamonazi kithman and taqiya source did you get this from ?

The Oslo accords were in place and valid just last year when the islamonazi's tried to use them against Israel and failed. The arab league peace proposal was nothing short of a surrender document handing the power to the arab muslims and enslaving the Jews. If Israel placed the same document on the table with the names reversed and the Jews having full control you would be amongst the first to condemn it. If it was based on 242 then the borders would have to be negotiated and the refugee problem would be placed in the hands of the arab muslims

 

[Phoenall]

And Abbas rejected Biden's peace plan only last week.

Hadn't Nutandyahoo already rejected the same plan?

Hasn't every arab muslim leader since 1917 r4ejected any plan that disposed of any dar al islam land back to its original owners, and have threatened violence, mass murder and terrorism if any attempts were made. Then you whinge when the outcome is even more dead Palestinians

 

[Phoenall]

You really are just blinded by hate aren't you ?

You seem to be obsessed with this "hate" meme. I can't help but notice that the "hate" comes almost exclusively from the Zionist camp, so if you want to see a real "hater" go look in the mirror.

So your Jew hatred that is palpable and obvious even to a blind man is not hate in your eyes. Yes I hate mass murdering thieving lying muslims who target children, and I don't know of anyone other that neo Marxist left wing scum that doesn't. But there is a big difference between hating people like this who still exist in a 7C time warp to hating those who are forced to kill in defence. The line between the two is miles wide until you bring religious/ideological teaching into the equation, then it becomes racism. This is the difference between racist you and the decent people in the world

 

[Coyote]

You're part of the miniscule minority that believes in the illusion of a Jordan/Israel 2 state solution

Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

 

[Coyote]

In case anyone is wondering what I mean by "that ship has sailed", this happened a few days ago.

Israel is done with the delusion of finding a partner for peace. She is going to look after her own interests. Unilaterally. That includes building a corridor from Jerusalem to Jericho and the border with Jordan. This corridor will provide essential security access to defend her borders, and, hey, if a few tourism dollars find their way to her that will be a nice perk. Unfortunately, this spells the end of a contiguous wanna-be Palestinian State, though it is not too late for a Palestinian-only highway to connect the two halves. It also dispels any illusions (delusions) that Jerusalem is on the negotiating table. Which also, of course, solves the problem of the Temple Mount.

I don't think Israel ever had any intention of living up to the Oslo 61/39% agreement over Area C - that much is clear from it's continued "facts on the ground" activity. This was what Israel has wanted from the beginning.

I wonder if any of it is privately owned land?

 

[Coyote]

An interesting analysis of the current state of non-peace. It's disturbing, because in order to overcome the status quo, deep changes in national psyche need to be looked at on both sides. It offers a very different analysis than what I usually see.

Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

......There are certain psychological concepts that are relevant to understanding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; the concept of illusion is an essential one. In The Future of an Illusion, Freud offers the following definition: “…we call a belief an illusion when a wish-fulfillment is a prominent factor in its motivation, and in doing so we disregard its relations to reality, just as the illusion itself sets no store by verification.”


What is characteristic of illusions is that: 1) they are derived from deep human wishes, and 2) the belief is held (or would be held) in the absence of any compelling evidence, or good rational grounds, on its behalf.


It is impossible to deny that both Israelis and Palestinians are in the grip of very powerful illusions that only serve to prolong the conflict and prevent any mutual understanding. In particular, the belief shared by many Israelis that they have a biblical right to the land (including Judea and Samaria) and that God gave it to the Jews in perpetuity is undoubtedly an illusion of yesterday.


This belief is not affirmed because there is real evidence that God deemed it to be (although two Jewish kingdoms did exist — the first in the tenth century BCE and the second beginning in 539 BCE — on the same land), but because it satisfies a deep-seated psychological need for a God-given Jewish homeland.


The belief that by expanding the settlements Israel will augment its national security and maintain its hold on the entire land is an illusion of tomorrow, which generally ignores the presence of Muslims in the same land for more than 1,300 years.


It is important to note how these illusions sustain and reinforce one another, and constitute a psychological barrier that is much more impervious to critical reflection. Israel’s illusions have served to create the logic for occupation.


The Palestinians, for their part, are not without their own illusions. They also believe that God has reserved the land for them, and appeal to the fact that they had inhabited the land for centuries. From their perspective, the presence of the al-Aqsa Mosque, which was built in 705 AD in Jerusalem, attests to their historical and religious affinity to the Holy City.


They also cling to the idea that they will someday return to the land of their forbears, as they have and continue to insist on the right of return of the Palestinian refugees, even though this has become a virtual impossibility.


The Palestinians hold fast to their illusions of yesterday and tomorrow just as blindly and desperately as the Israelis, which leads to resistance to and fear of change. As such, unless both sides change course and accept each other’s affinity to the same land, specifically because it is religiously-based, the situation is bound to lead to a catastrophe.


This has contributed to making the Israeli-Palestinian conflict both chronic and intractable, as the various illusions are continuously and consciously nurtured by daily hostile and often violent encounters between the two sides.


In seeking to bridge concepts that could link between the domains of psychology and politics in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it could be proposed that a collective mutual resistance to change (both conscious and deliberate, and inner unconscious) protects a vulnerable identity.


Compared, for example, to the stable and mature political identities of the American, British, and French nations, the political identities of both the Israeli and Palestinian peoples are, in a way, in their adolescence.


Identities in this setting are more vulnerable, and the protagonists are naturally more defensive and resistant to change. By its very nature, the players must find it difficult (if not impossible) to articulate this publicly, as to do so is to admit to this vulnerability.


The concept of psychological resistance to change may well affect the political setting in general and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in particular; it is closely connected to perceptions at many levels and provides protection for vulnerable identity formation.


It is this mindset, strengthened by historical experiences, which transcends the more than seven decades since the Israeli-Palestinian conflict began. Individuals and groups, Israelis and Palestinians alike, have and continue to interpret the nature of the discord between them as “you versus me” in a prejudiced and selective way.


In turn, this has stifled any new information and enabled the continuing resistance to change, which could shed new light on the nature and substance of the conflict and help advance the peace process.


The concept of unconscious resistance to change in this setting links well to the view of perceptions driving the polarization in the conflict. Historical experience, which formulates perceptions, serves among other things to enhance the sense of identity of “who we really are,” a formative collective assumption that sits at the bedrock of both key players and drives functional and dysfunctional behavior.


In principle, such a mindset prevents either side from entertaining new ideas that might lead to compromises for a peaceful solution. The paradox here is that majorities on both sides do want and seek peace, knowing full well that this would require significant concessions, but are unable to reconcile the required concessions with imbedded perceptions that have precluded these compromises as a result of resistance to and fear of change.


Therefore, any framework for peace must include provisions that would dramatically increase the odds in favor of a solution. First, both sides need to commit to reaching an agreement based on a two-state solution out of the conviction that change, which translates to coexistence, is inevitable. Therefore, they ought to adjust to each other’s requirements, which of necessity requires them to make significant concessions.


Second, to facilitate that, they must undertake reconciliatory people-to-people social, economic, cultural, and security interactions to mitigate their resistance to change, which must begin, at a minimum, one year before the negotiations commence to create the psychological and political atmosphere to cultivate the trust necessary for substantive and successful peace negotiations...


The resumption of peace talks will go nowhere unless Israelis and Palestinians change their prejudiced perception and resistance to and fear of change, and finally come to the realization that their fate is intertwined and neither can live in peace and security without the other.
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The above will never happen for these reasons;

Demanding Israel return to " borders" that were never recognized

Demanding some of the " 67 borders" we hear about so much

Refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish State

Their plan to eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State.

Vs. Israel's plan to annex what would have been a Palestinian state and expel the residents?

 

[Coyote]

Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!

I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

 

[rhodescholar]

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

Uh, ask the armenians who mass deported all of their muslims, ask the Indians and Pakistanis who mass transferred their populations, etc. Its happened before and recently, and this is as good a situation to do it as any. There are TWENTY-TWO arab muslim nations for the fakestinians to go to, and only one jewish state. I for one am no longer willing to accept the relentless hegemony and ethnic cleansing by arab muslims of other groups; the yazidis, maronites, coptics, chaldeans, maneachans, syriacs, bahai, zoroastrians, assyrians and jews are enough.

The World has had enough of arab muslim lies and false claims of victimhood, and their imperialism and intolerance for other people will no longer be tolerated.

 

[rhodescholar]

To some extent this is true. The solution is one state with Jewish and Muslim and Christian social equality, and political equal rights guaranteed by a written constitution in a secular state. If it works in America, it can work in the Zionist paradise.

Sure thing idiot asshole. Why don't you point out the one country on earth where arab muslims respect the sovereignty of christians and jews in the mideast. Oh, that's right, the arab muslims ethnically cleansed all 1 MM of the jews out, and have been working strenuously to do the same to the christians.

BTW the OP article is demonstrably false; the so-called muslim presence in Israel, particularly Jerusalem, was minimal for centuries.

The only falsehood is your post.

"AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/349B02280A930813052565E90048ED1C

****, how many muslims lived in jerusalem in 1850? How many in 1900?

VERY few. Facts much, idiot?

 

[Shusha]

Anyone who wants to discuss this topic seriously should already know where Gush Etzion and Ma'aleh Adumim are. Google your own map. Its easy enough to find.

Anyone who wants to discuss this topic seriously should already know that the Gush Etzion and Ma'aleh Adumim areas comprise a lot more than 6% of the West Bank, which is why I asked you to show me the map. I assumed you'd realise I meant Olmert's map, produced at the "negotiations", my mistake.

And I assumed you knew how to use Google. My mistake.

 

[montelatici]

Excluding the Hasbara propaganda you are rehashing, there were only a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850 and only a few hundred more in the years following 1850.

"CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The country is under-populated because of this lack of development. There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine."

And there is documentary film evidence that in Jerusalem native Christians and Muslims were still at least half the population of Jerusalem as late as 1896 notwithstanding the ongoing substantial invasion of the European Jews.

 

[Shusha]

I don't think Israel ever had any intention of living up to the Oslo 61/39% agreement over Area C - that much is clear from it's continued "facts on the ground" activity. This was what Israel has wanted from the beginning.

I think Israel had every intention of honoring Oslo, but knew which portions of the territory it intended to swap out and acted accordingly to ensure this would be the case. I think Israel is becoming more and more frustrated with the constant rejection of what are actually good deals for Palestine (assuming their goal is, in fact, a two (four) State solution). I also think Israel is growing more and more concerned with Muslim extremism and threats (which is why an internationally monitored border was acceptable in 2008 and now a security corridor through to Jordan is required -- ISIS is already at Jordan's borders, yes?).

I think that the Palestinians continue to hold the entirely mistaken belief that they will actually somehow win every dunam of territory back to the 1949 armistice lines, East Jerusalem, control over the Temple Mount -- all conveniently emptied of Jews for them. I think they believe they will get away with granting no security considerations to Israel.

Then I think the Palestinians will want to work on getting the rest of "their" land "back". (Again, witness Gaza).


And, no, I'm certain Israel researched the territory quite thoroughly and made certain none of the land was privately owned.

 

[Boston1]

You're part of the miniscule minority that believes in the illusion of a Jordan/Israel 2 state solution

Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

I feel compelled to respond "resistance is futile"

But Your response implies that Israel has no rights to intern POWs, it most certainly does.

Every country has the right to self defense and as a consequence of that self defense its well established in the Geneva conventions that a country may take prisoners of war and may assess the protected persons status of any remaining non uniformed belligerents at any time within the course of the conflict.

Since not all signatories of the original 1948 declaration of war against Israel by the Arab League have signed peace agreements and given that the requirements for a cessation of a condition of war have not been met then a condition of war still exists

Its not even a question really.

Its all spelled out in the conventions.

Israel could in fact repatriate any person or persons who forfeits their protected persons status.

Its the delusion that a peace can exist prior to the removal of the enemy combatants thats really slowing things down. If the Israeli's just would toughen up some and get the job done we might be able to clear this mess up fairly fast.

 

[Boston1]

Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!

I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

You assume Israel would have reneged. Israel has never reneged yet, so your assumption is baseless.

Delusions ? about Israel destroying the peace process when in fact Israel has made every effort.

 

[Boston1]

Excluding the Hasbara propaganda you are rehashing, there were only a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850 and only a few hundred more in the years following 1850.

"CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The country is under-populated because of this lack of development. There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine."

And there is documentary film evidence that in Jerusalem native Christians and Muslims were still at least half the population of Jerusalem as late as 1896 notwithstanding the ongoing substantial invasion of the European Jews.

LMAO

I love how you conveniently forgot the pogroms against the Judaic people right about this same time frame.

Might have a slight effect on the population if you slaughter most of them wouldn't you say ?

Seems like you are having delusions which might interfear with the peace process

 

[Coyote]

You're part of the miniscule minority that believes in the illusion of a Jordan/Israel 2 state solution

Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

I feel compelled to respond "resistance is futile"

But Your response implies that Israel has no rights to intern POWs, it most certainly does.

Every country has the right to self defense and as a consequence of that self defense its well established in the Geneva conventions that a country may take prisoners of war and may assess the protected persons status of any remaining non uniformed belligerents at any time within the course of the conflict.

Since not all signatories of the original 1948 declaration of war against Israel by the Arab League have signed peace agreements and given that the requirements for a cessation of a condition of war have not been met then a condition of war still exists

Its not even a question really.

Its all spelled out in the conventions.

Israel could in fact repatriate any person or persons who forfeits their protected persons status.

Its the delusion that a peace can exist prior to the removal of the enemy combatants thats really slowing things down. If the Israeli's just would toughen up some and get the job done we might be able to clear this mess up fairly fast.

Again, reality check: Rhodes is proposing that Israel is going to move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and annex it all. That is the statement we're working with. That's something like, what - 5 million people who can't be "repatriated" because they are citizens of either Israel or they are Palestinians with no other citizenship.

Where will you put them?

Look how we're struggling with the Syrian refugee crisis and huge numbers of people. No one can be forced to take them if Israel wants to expel them. So how will this occur?

 

[Coyote]

Tell us more about how rats are able to recognize a politically corrupt captain. This aught to be good ;--))

You are aware that Olmert was about as corrupt as they come aren't you?

The "Olmert Plan" was a political maneuver to try and save his failing political career and avoid going to jail on corruption charges!

One of the reasons given why the 'plan' was rejected is that Olmert was coming to the end of his presidency and, likely, any agreement would be overturned by the next president...

As I said, jumping on a sinking ship, with a corrupt captain does not make for a lasting solution!

I agree - I doubt Olmert's plan could have happened - he was on his way down, and it would never have been supported. Still - if the Paletinians had excepted it, it would have given them an advantage because than the pressure would have been on Israel for renegging.

You assume Israel would have reneged. Israel has never reneged yet, so your assumption is baseless.

Delusions ? about Israel destroying the peace process when in fact Israel has made every effort.

Can you seriously see the Israeli parliment supporting Olmert's plan? Seriously? He was politically weak and under investigation for corruption.

I could be wrong but, I can't imagine that an Israeli PM can unilaterally do this sort of thing. Certainly and American president could not.

 

[Boston1]

You're part of the miniscule minority that believes in the illusion of a Jordan/Israel 2 state solution

Minority? No REALITY. The falestinians are a manufactured, false people with phony grievances contrived out of a hat. Their credibility is as weak as yours - nonexistent. The fakestinians are going to be moved out of gaza and the west bank, and Israel is going to usurp these areas in their entirety - it is inevitable.

It's a minority opinion unlikely to happen. Reality check: Forced population transfers are illegal under international law and Jordan certainly has no obligation take them. What are you going to do, set up concentration camps?

I feel compelled to respond "resistance is futile"

But Your response implies that Israel has no rights to intern POWs, it most certainly does.

Every country has the right to self defense and as a consequence of that self defense its well established in the Geneva conventions that a country may take prisoners of war and may assess the protected persons status of any remaining non uniformed belligerents at any time within the course of the conflict.

Since not all signatories of the original 1948 declaration of war against Israel by the Arab League have signed peace agreements and given that the requirements for a cessation of a condition of war have not been met then a condition of war still exists

Its not even a question really.

Its all spelled out in the conventions.

Israel could in fact repatriate any person or persons who forfeits their protected persons status.

Its the delusion that a peace can exist prior to the removal of the enemy combatants thats really slowing things down. If the Israeli's just would toughen up some and get the job done we might be able to clear this mess up fairly fast.

Again, reality check: Rhodes is proposing that Israel is going to move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and annex it all. That is the statement we're working with. That's something like, what - 5 million people who can't be "repatriated" because they are citizens of either Israel or they are Palestinians with no other citizenship.

Where will you put them?

Look how we're struggling with the Syrian refugee crisis and huge numbers of people. No one can be forced to take them if Israel wants to expel them. So how will this occur?

A I don't agree that all Arab Muslims deserve to be removed from the area in question.

B Those that I would support repatriating are POWs having lost their protected persons status based on their own behavior. In which case Israel is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHERE THEY GO. But Israel is within its rights to lead them to the border and show them the door.

Question
How many times do I have to quote the applicable articles ?

How does the delusion that the applicable articles do not exist further peace in the middle east.