DACA Ruled Illegal

[bripat9643]

See that, Trump's out of office and he's still winning. Pick one that's closest to the truth:

Trump is always right.

Leftists are always wrong.

Not only is your post a logical fallacy, so do others who supported this ludicrous post:

"The either-or fallacy of reasoning goes by many names. A few include: false dilemma, no middle ground, excluded middle, the fallacy of false alternatives, the fallacy of false choice. ... An example would be a choice between the opposite ends of the political spectrum."

The either-or fallacy of reasoning

Who will select the next president? The people or the press? Jesus was either God or a crazy person. You are either with us, or against us. You can either

www.grandrapidsmn.com

So you can break the law and not break it at the same time?

 

[easyt65]

Fail - I said he could not do what he did.

HE said he could not do what he did.

You just said he couldn't do what he wanted to do.

You know damn-well Obama wanted DACA to be permanent - stop playing stupid

Listen to yourself talk.

Barry said he could not impose his edict Consttitutionally ... then imposed it. A judge just confirmed he could not do so. Again, you lose. Stfu & go away already, whiner.

 

[OKTexas]

Does that include 3 USC 15?

um that section has nothing to do with the president, it has to do with how congress counts electoral votes…which is also outlined in Art 2

But OKtexas said that Trump had to make sure the votes got counted without interruption.

No president has power under Article 2 to violate the law. In fact Article 2 demands they "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

Trump didn't interrupt anyone, in fact he offered the capitol police the national guard twice prior to Jan 6, they refused. So you can flap you gums all you want, but all you have is the party line and commie propaganda.

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[OKTexas]

Prosecutorial discretion can not be extended to a whole class of people. It's meant for case by case exceptions.

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It can, and it has.

And the judge said it was illegal. Carry on commie.

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[OKTexas]

Prosecutorial discretion can not be extended to a whole class of people. It's meant for case by case exceptions.

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance speaks at a press conference on February 24, 2020 in New York City. The Manhattan district attorney's office will no longer prosecute arrests for prostitution or unlicensed massage in a new, formal policy that may be a first for New York, DA Cy Vance said Wednesday.

Damn you just keep providing examples of commies violating the law. Didn't vance swear to uphold the laws of NYC and the State of NY? He should be prosecuted for breach of the public trust and abuse of power. But what the hell, we know you commies live under a different set of laws than the rest of us.

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[OKTexas]

You know a memorandum is different than an executive order, right?

One is an EO the other an EM

The Federal Register gives publication priority to executive orders and presidential proclamations over memoranda. ... Memoranda can be amended or rescinded by executive orders or another memorandum, but executive orders take legal precedence and cannot be changed by a memorandum.

I'll be damned, cpt obvious has arrived.

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[OKTexas]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

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Which means it was legal.

Damn, post after post you keep proving you're illiterate. That's already been addressed in the thread.

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You can say that all day BUT if it was illegal those covered are no longer covered but they are.

Only until their current registration has expired. Then all they are is just another illegal. Perhaps you commies should have worked with Trump to solve it.

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If you wish to reply like an adult that would be great. I've noted over and over that this is all because of Obama's failures and that Trump had the legal right to overturn it.

Yet you keep saying stupid shit, go figure.

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[westwall]

Illegal to let illegals be legal with an EO.
If it’s so great, pass the laws, Democrats.

BREAKING: Federal Judge Rules DACA Illegal

pjmedia.com

Once again, you have no credibility. I have a Q.: Where do you find these Internet Tabloids? And why is this not in the real news?

Oh, go piss up a rope you clown. Even obummer stated that what he did with DACA was illegal.

And you call Trump the authoritarian.

Go fuck yourself you feckless prick.

 

[MisterBeale]

. . . so. . .

It looks like after reading this thread? That judge's ruling meant absolutely nothing.

Folks on the left will believe what they want, and folks on the right will believe what they want.

. . . and, I have a feeling, yes, it will be appealed, but till then, the State of Texas will follow what they want to do, and the Feds will do what they want to do.



Does anyone else see the potential for a tinder box here?



". . . OK, bear with me now, because this gets kind of heady.

The War on Reality is not an attempt to replace reality with a fake reality. Or it is that, but that is only one part of it. Its real goal is to render reality arbitrary, to strip it of its epistemological authority, to turn it into a “floating signifier,” a word that has no objective referent, which, of course, technically, it already is. You cannot take a picture of reality. It is a concept. It is not a physical object that exists somewhere in time and space.

But let’s leave that last point for a later discussion. This is not the time to get lost in semiotics. For most people, for most practical purposes, reality is … well, reality. It’s objective. Material. It actually exists. It exists independent of our beliefs. It isn’t just an arbitrary, empty signifier that doesn’t actually refer to anything, but which we use, strategically, to assert authority, or to impose ideology on society. If that were the case, there would be no reality. Nothing would be true, everything would be permitted … which is a bunch of postmodern Marxist nonsense.

But just imagine, for a moment, if that were the case … if what determined reality was actually just a question of power rather than facts. Imagine that reality was just a concept that we used to mark the current limits of our knowledge and ideological beliefs. Our doctors — oncologists and virologists, for example, but they could be any kind of doctors or scientists — would be not all that different from medieval alchemists, who totally believed in their reality at the time, as did the patients they were treating, but which we know now was not reality at all, because our reality is the real reality. I mean, it’s not as if people, five hundred years from now, are going to look back at our medical practices and scientific knowledge, and laugh, like we do at those medieval alchemists, right?

Sorry, I got a little off track there. I was trying to explain the ultimate purpose of this global-capitalist War on Reality, and I wandered off into an ontological swamp, which isn’t going to get us anywhere. So, let’s get back to imagining reality, not as what we all know it is (i.e., an actual, material thing that exists), but as a construct people use to validate certain officially-sanctioned beliefs and perceptions and invalidate other beliefs and perceptions, more or less like a system of morals, except instead of dividing things into to “good” and “evil,” it divides things into “real” and “fake.”

Now imagine that you were an immensely powerful, globally hegemonic ideological system, and you wanted to impose your ideology on as much of the entire world as possible, but you didn’t have an ideology per se, or any actual values at all, because exchange value was your only real value, and so your mission was to erase all ideologies, and values, and truths, and belief systems, and so on, and transform everything and everyone in existence into de facto commodities that you could manipulate any way you wanted, because they had no inherent value whatsoever, because their only real value was assigned by the market.

How would you go about doing that, erasing all existing values, religious, cultural, and social values, and rendering everything a valueless commodity?

Well, you wouldn’t want to destroy reality completely, because people wouldn’t stand for that. They would freak right out. Things would get ugly. So, instead, you might want to go the other way, and generate a lot of contradictory realities, not just contradictory ideologies, but actual mutually-exclusive realities, which could not possibly simultaneously exist … which would still freak people out pretty badly.. . . "

The War on Reality

So, the War on Reality is going splendidly. Societies all across the world have been split into opposing, irreconcilable realities. Neighbors, friends, and even family members are bitterly divided …

consentfactory.org

 

[Polishprince]

Illegal to let illegals be legal with an EO.
If it’s so great, pass the laws, Democrats.

BREAKING: Federal Judge Rules DACA Illegal

pjmedia.com

DACA was signed and implemented by one man alone, B. Hussein O.

If Biden had any integrity , he'd send the FBI out to Martha's Vineyard and pinch his scrawny ass for violation of the Constitution, which he swore on a stack of bibles to defend. Barry has no excuse, he portrayed himself as a constitutional expert and professor.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

See that, Trump's out of office and he's still winning. Pick one that's closest to the truth:

Trump is always right.

Leftists are always wrong.

Not only is your post a logical fallacy, so do others who supported this ludicrous post:

"The either-or fallacy of reasoning goes by many names. A few include: false dilemma, no middle ground, excluded middle, the fallacy of false alternatives, the fallacy of false choice. ... An example would be a choice between the opposite ends of the political spectrum."

The either-or fallacy of reasoning

Who will select the next president? The people or the press? Jesus was either God or a crazy person. You are either with us, or against us. You can either

www.grandrapidsmn.com

Neat when leftists pull a parroted attempt @ intellect applying things like " it's a logical fallacy". Don't you wanna' use strawman's too?

It's not a logical fallacy when there's an answer easily agreed upon. The closest to the truth is clearly leftists are always wrong, well tested and secure. While Trump is right so often, leftists are nearly always wrong, and in fact, when was the last time a left narration was true? Go!.

 

[struth]

we are taking about his EO, you said he said it was temporary…when was the expiration date?

It was actually an executive memorandum. Which can be changed/updated/rescinded at any time

hahahah no, obviously it can't...an Executive Memorandum, is really no different then an Executive Order....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_memorandum

"Sometimes used interchangeably, an executive order is a more prestigious form of executive action that must cite the specific constitutional or statutory authority the president has to use it.[1] Unlike executive orders, memoranda are not required by law to be published in the Federal Register, but publication is necessary in order to have "general applicability and legal effect".

You said it was temporary though, I am waiting on you to provide the expiration date that Obama put in it.

 

[struth]

Does that include 3 USC 15?

um that section has nothing to do with the president, it has to do with how congress counts electoral votes…which is also outlined in Art 2

But OKtexas said that Trump had to make sure the votes got counted without interruption.

No president has power under Article 2 to violate the law. In fact Article 2 demands they "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about, or how it deals with this subject

 

[easyt65]

. . . so. . .

It looks like after reading this thread? That judge's ruling meant absolutely nothing.

Folks on the left will believe what they want, and folks on the right will believe what they want.

. . . and, I have a feeling, yes, it will be appealed, but till then, the State of Texas will follow what they want to do, and the Feds will do what they want to do.



Does anyone else see the potential for a tinder box here?



". . . OK, bear with me now, because this gets kind of heady.

The War on Reality is not an attempt to replace reality with a fake reality. Or it is that, but that is only one part of it. Its real goal is to render reality arbitrary, to strip it of its epistemological authority, to turn it into a “floating signifier,” a word that has no objective referent, which, of course, technically, it already is. You cannot take a picture of reality. It is a concept. It is not a physical object that exists somewhere in time and space.

But let’s leave that last point for a later discussion. This is not the time to get lost in semiotics. For most people, for most practical purposes, reality is … well, reality. It’s objective. Material. It actually exists. It exists independent of our beliefs. It isn’t just an arbitrary, empty signifier that doesn’t actually refer to anything, but which we use, strategically, to assert authority, or to impose ideology on society. If that were the case, there would be no reality. Nothing would be true, everything would be permitted … which is a bunch of postmodern Marxist nonsense.

But just imagine, for a moment, if that were the case … if what determined reality was actually just a question of power rather than facts. Imagine that reality was just a concept that we used to mark the current limits of our knowledge and ideological beliefs. Our doctors — oncologists and virologists, for example, but they could be any kind of doctors or scientists — would be not all that different from medieval alchemists, who totally believed in their reality at the time, as did the patients they were treating, but which we know now was not reality at all, because our reality is the real reality. I mean, it’s not as if people, five hundred years from now, are going to look back at our medical practices and scientific knowledge, and laugh, like we do at those medieval alchemists, right?

Sorry, I got a little off track there. I was trying to explain the ultimate purpose of this global-capitalist War on Reality, and I wandered off into an ontological swamp, which isn’t going to get us anywhere. So, let’s get back to imagining reality, not as what we all know it is (i.e., an actual, material thing that exists), but as a construct people use to validate certain officially-sanctioned beliefs and perceptions and invalidate other beliefs and perceptions, more or less like a system of morals, except instead of dividing things into to “good” and “evil,” it divides things into “real” and “fake.”

Now imagine that you were an immensely powerful, globally hegemonic ideological system, and you wanted to impose your ideology on as much of the entire world as possible, but you didn’t have an ideology per se, or any actual values at all, because exchange value was your only real value, and so your mission was to erase all ideologies, and values, and truths, and belief systems, and so on, and transform everything and everyone in existence into de facto commodities that you could manipulate any way you wanted, because they had no inherent value whatsoever, because their only real value was assigned by the market.

How would you go about doing that, erasing all existing values, religious, cultural, and social values, and rendering everything a valueless commodity?

Well, you wouldn’t want to destroy reality completely, because people wouldn’t stand for that. They would freak right out. Things would get ugly. So, instead, you might want to go the other way, and generate a lot of contradictory realities, not just contradictory ideologies, but actual mutually-exclusive realities, which could not possibly simultaneously exist … which would still freak people out pretty badly.. . . "

The War on Reality

So, the War on Reality is going splendidly. Societies all across the world have been split into opposing, irreconcilable realities. Neighbors, friends, and even family members are bitterly divided …

consentfactory.org

DACA is Illegal. It was ruled illegal. You typed up all that, and I summed up current reality with 3 words- DACA IS ILLEGAL.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Illegal to let illegals be legal with an EO.
If it’s so great, pass the laws, Democrats.

BREAKING: Federal Judge Rules DACA Illegal

pjmedia.com

Judge Andrew Hanen ruled what everybody already knows. daca is an illegal program for illegal aliens. the so called dreamers are nothing more then illegal aliens that need to be deported. once deported if they want to immigrate to the USA they need to apply to immigrate legally and go to the back of the line like everybody else. there are thousands of people from all over the world who have applied to immigrate legally to the USA and are waiting for their turn. these illegal aliens the so call dreamers are demanding not only legal status but they are demanding US citizenship. dementia joe and nancy pelosi and her democlowns want to reward these illegal border jumpers for violating US immigration laws. The US congress did not create Daca and the seating US president did not signed it into law. The US congress did not grant the funds to run daca

If it was "illegal" it wouldn't still be enforced on those already registered.

Every Dim or liberal that agrees with what that filthy sign says needs to immediately give up any real estate they currently own.

 

[pknopp]

Illegal to let illegals be legal with an EO.
If it’s so great, pass the laws, Democrats.

BREAKING: Federal Judge Rules DACA Illegal

pjmedia.com

Judge Andrew Hanen ruled what everybody already knows. daca is an illegal program for illegal aliens. the so called dreamers are nothing more then illegal aliens that need to be deported. once deported if they want to immigrate to the USA they need to apply to immigrate legally and go to the back of the line like everybody else. there are thousands of people from all over the world who have applied to immigrate legally to the USA and are waiting for their turn. these illegal aliens the so call dreamers are demanding not only legal status but they are demanding US citizenship. dementia joe and nancy pelosi and her democlowns want to reward these illegal border jumpers for violating US immigration laws. The US congress did not create Daca and the seating US president did not signed it into law. The US congress did not grant the funds to run daca

If it was "illegal" it wouldn't still be enforced on those already registered.

Every Dim or liberal that agrees with what that filthy sign says needs to immediately give up any real estate they currently own.

If you want to respond to what I actually said, that would be great.

 

[airplanemechanic]

This is a crooked, racist judge. What you would expect from Texas. Texas is the most corrupt , fascist state in the union. DACA is not illegal as presidents have discretion in who gets deported. DACA recipients should receive citizenship status. They are Americans. Many of them have no memory of their home country. The only memory they have is of the US. DACA is the type of program that Ronald Reagan would approve of. It requires them to either have a job or be in training. They did not violate immigration laws. The US Congress did not approve the new rules that Trump wanted but that was okay with you.

They didn't violate immigration laws? So they're here legally? They're citizens? Where is their paperwork?

You just make shit up don't you?

What You Need to Know about the President’s Legal Authority to Expand Deferred Action for Unauthorized Immigrants

President Obama is reportedly considering “deferring” (temporarily suspending) the deportation of up to five million unauthorized immigrants, which would expand and be modeled after his 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) initiative. This has led to a stimulating and lively public...

www.epi.org

NO, presidents do NOT have any discretion on immigration law. What limits they have END when they leave office. You cannot make an EO outlast that president. That is illegal.

 

[Rogue AI]

It is not a good thing. It shows you are a racist.

What race is illegal alien?

 

[airplanemechanic]

What race is illegal alien?

NASCAR? No, wait, Indycar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

NASCAR? No, wait, Indycar.

I think it is The Baja 1000.