DACA Ruled Illegal

[pknopp]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

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Which means it was legal.

hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to end

EO's are not supposed to last forever. Trump tried to end them and the court wouldn't let him. That is the issue.

that’s not the issue before the court i this case, that case was already decided. The court said he could but had to follow the APA

Obama created an illegal EO is the issue and thousands of people relied on it is the issue…because the dems in congress refused to do their job.

there are many EO that have been

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

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Which means it was legal.

hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to end

EO's are not supposed to last forever. Trump tried to end them and the court wouldn't let him. That is the issue.

that’s not the issue before the court i this case, that case was already decided. The court said he could but had to follow the APA

Obama created an illegal EO is the issue and thousands of people relied on it is the issue…because the dems in congress refused to do their job.

there are many EO that have been in place permanently

Setting aside the very serious moral and ethical debate about President Trump’s decision to scrap DACA, let’s clear up a foundational legal question. Obama’s DACA policy was — in all likelihood — constitutional as a matter of his Article II authority for the same reasons that Trump’s decision to rescind DACA was constitutional.

Obama and Trump are both right on DACA

well the op-ed was wrong about obama…as the courts have made clear

The court didn't even enforce what is supposedly clear. Illegal laws are no longer enforceable and this EO still is.

 

[struth]

No president has power under Article 2 to violate the law. In fact Article 2 demands they "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

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Does that include 3 USC 15?

um that section has nothing to do with the president, it has to do with how congress counts electoral votes…which is also outlined in Art 2

it has nothing to do with the debate on DACA, or this case

 

[struth]

what was? please provide this and why didn’t it simply end at the expiration date obama supposeicely put? when was this date?

The policy, an executive branch memorandum, was announced by President Barack Obama on June 15, 2012.

Apparently government can't change policy, just because they feel like it.

we are taking about his EO, you said he said it was temporary…when was the expiration date?

 

[struth]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

.

Which means it was legal.

hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to end

EO's are not supposed to last forever. Trump tried to end them and the court wouldn't let him. That is the issue.

that’s not the issue before the court i this case, that case was already decided. The court said he could but had to follow the APA

Obama created an illegal EO is the issue and thousands of people relied on it is the issue…because the dems in congress refused to do their job.

there are many EO that have been

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

.

Which means it was legal.

hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to end

EO's are not supposed to last forever. Trump tried to end them and the court wouldn't let him. That is the issue.

that’s not the issue before the court i this case, that case was already decided. The court said he could but had to follow the APA

Obama created an illegal EO is the issue and thousands of people relied on it is the issue…because the dems in congress refused to do their job.

there are many EO that have been in place permanently

Setting aside the very serious moral and ethical debate about President Trump’s decision to scrap DACA, let’s clear up a foundational legal question. Obama’s DACA policy was — in all likelihood — constitutional as a matter of his Article II authority for the same reasons that Trump’s decision to rescind DACA was constitutional.

Obama and Trump are both right on DACA

well the op-ed was wrong about obama…as the courts have made clear

The court didn't even enforce what is supposedly clear. Illegal laws are no longer enforceable and this EO still is.

um the Courts aren’t the law enforcement branch

No it’s not. The program is over, unless the court is overturned

 

[kyzr]

True. DACA was an Obama EO not a law. That's the issue.

Which means the EO was legal, the illegal part of it was that it continued in effect as if it was permanent.

Actually no. DACA was always illegal, an EO can't change immigration LAW, except the USSC allowed it. Its an illegal EO that was allowed to stand, WTF?!

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In the June 2020 case Department of Homeland Security v. Regents of the University of California, the Supreme Court, ruling on the three injunctions blocking the rescission of the DACA, affirmed that the reasoning given for the rescission was arbitrary and capricious under the APA, but did not rule on the merits of the DACA itself nor prevented the government from issuing a new rescission with better rationale"

On January 20, 2021, President Joe Biden issued an executive order reinstating DACA.[8] However, on July 16, 2021 federal judge Andrew Hanen ruled that the program was "created in violation of the law" and “illegally implemented." He barred the government from accepting new applications to the program, effectively cancelling Biden's executive order. The judge did not order current DACA recipients to have their status pulled.

 

[pknopp]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

.

Which means it was legal.

hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to end

EO's are not supposed to last forever. Trump tried to end them and the court wouldn't let him. That is the issue.

that’s not the issue before the court i this case, that case was already decided. The court said he could but had to follow the APA

Obama created an illegal EO is the issue and thousands of people relied on it is the issue…because the dems in congress refused to do their job.

there are many EO that have been

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

.

Which means it was legal.

hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to end

EO's are not supposed to last forever. Trump tried to end them and the court wouldn't let him. That is the issue.

that’s not the issue before the court i this case, that case was already decided. The court said he could but had to follow the APA

Obama created an illegal EO is the issue and thousands of people relied on it is the issue…because the dems in congress refused to do their job.

there are many EO that have been in place permanently

Setting aside the very serious moral and ethical debate about President Trump’s decision to scrap DACA, let’s clear up a foundational legal question. Obama’s DACA policy was — in all likelihood — constitutional as a matter of his Article II authority for the same reasons that Trump’s decision to rescind DACA was constitutional.

Obama and Trump are both right on DACA

well the op-ed was wrong about obama…as the courts have made clear

The court didn't even enforce what is supposedly clear. Illegal laws are no longer enforceable and this EO still is.

um the Courts aren’t the law enforcement branch

No it’s not. The program is over, unless the court is overturned

The program continues.

 

[meaner gene]

Article 2 gives the president the power to enact temporary rules upon the executive branch.

You just stepped on your own argument about what Obama said.

Obama could not do what he did...a cording to HIM, the Constitution, & this judge.

Obama could do what he did. He couldn't do what he wanted to do. You even said so.

You know damn-well Obama wanted DACA to be permanent - stop playing stupid

Yup, you confused Obama musing it unconstitutional to make it permanent.

 

[meaner gene]

Does that include 3 USC 15?

um that section has nothing to do with the president, it has to do with how congress counts electoral votes…which is also outlined in Art 2

But OKtexas said that Trump had to make sure the votes got counted without interruption.

No president has power under Article 2 to violate the law. In fact Article 2 demands they "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

 

[meaner gene]

we are taking about his EO, you said he said it was temporary…when was the expiration date?

It was actually an executive memorandum. Which can be changed/updated/rescinded at any time

 

[meaner gene]

But OKtexas said that Trump had to make sure the votes got counted without interruption.

No president has power under Article 2 to violate the law. In fact Article 2 demands they "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

And telling Mike Pence to do other than his duty under 3 USC 15 would violate the laws being faithfully executed.

 

[OKTexas]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appeal

How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?

you don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.

Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,

yes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the status

the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not

Legally that is incorrect, once a final order of deportation is issued by a judge, the administration has 60 days to deport them. The law says "shall", not "may".

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true i met as far as prosecuting them to begin with

Prosecutorial discretion can not be extended to a whole class of people. It's meant for case by case exceptions.

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[meaner gene]

Prosecutorial discretion can not be extended to a whole class of people. It's meant for case by case exceptions.

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It can, and it has.

 

[OKTexas]

Please post a link to the EO maobama did on DACA. I think you'll find it doesn't exist.

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The policy, an executive branch memorandum, was announced by President Barack Obama on June 15, 2012.

You know a memorandum is different than an executive order, right?

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[meaner gene]

Prosecutorial discretion can not be extended to a whole class of people. It's meant for case by case exceptions.

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance speaks at a press conference on February 24, 2020 in New York City. The Manhattan district attorney's office will no longer prosecute arrests for prostitution or unlicensed massage in a new, formal policy that may be a first for New York, DA Cy Vance said Wednesday.

 

[OKTexas]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

.

Which means it was legal.

Damn, post after post you keep proving you're illiterate. That's already been addressed in the thread.

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You can say that all day BUT if it was illegal those covered are no longer covered but they are.

Only until their current registration has expired. Then all they are is just another illegal. Perhaps you commies should have worked with Trump to solve it.

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[meaner gene]

You know a memorandum is different than an executive order, right?

One is an EO the other an EM

The Federal Register gives publication priority to executive orders and presidential proclamations over memoranda. ... Memoranda can be amended or rescinded by executive orders or another memorandum, but executive orders take legal precedence and cannot be changed by a memorandum.

 

[pknopp]

There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.

What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.

the courts disagre with you on DACA.

DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama

If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.

The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.

.

Which means it was legal.

Damn, post after post you keep proving you're illiterate. That's already been addressed in the thread.

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You can say that all day BUT if it was illegal those covered are no longer covered but they are.

Only until their current registration has expired. Then all they are is just another illegal. Perhaps you commies should have worked with Trump to solve it.

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If you wish to reply like an adult that would be great. I've noted over and over that this is all because of Obama's failures and that Trump had the legal right to overturn it.

 

[OKTexas]

No president has power under Article 2 to violate the law. In fact Article 2 demands they "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

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Does that include 3 USC 15?

Do you have a link?

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[easyt65]

Article 2 gives the president the power to enact temporary rules upon the executive branch.

You just stepped on your own argument about what Obama said.

Obama could not do what he did...a cording to HIM, the Constitution, & this judge.

Obama could do what he did. He couldn't do what he wanted to do. You even said so.

You know damn-well Obama wanted DACA to be permanent - stop playing stupid

Yup, you confused Obama musing it unconstitutional to make it permanent.

Fail - I said he could not do what he did.

HE said he could not do what he did.

And a judge just agreed with him & confirmed he could not do what he did.

Forget it - your lie has no been debunked, even by Obama himself.

You lose....you lost - go away.

 

[meaner gene]

Fail - I said he could not do what he did.

HE said he could not do what he did.

You just said he couldn't do what he wanted to do.

You know damn-well Obama wanted DACA to be permanent - stop playing stupid

Listen to yourself talk.