Competency Doesn't Mean White!

I could have sworn you professed support for DEI and AA in the past.

I have. It doesn't mean that it doesn't results in bad effects, which is what IM2Whiny is claiming.

So does white privilege. Now, I gave you three stories about how AA had bad effects at companies I worked for.

I could give you far more stories about how we had bad effects from white privilege... that someone was related to the boss, fucking the boss, or drinking buddies with the boss, and got a job he or she didn't merit.

All DEI/AA does is offset the benefits of white male privilege. That's it.

So I'll challenge racist shits like you and Hector, but I'll also challenge race whiners like IM2.

It's not my job to make anyone happy.
 
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There are many white Hispanics.

Even more that believe, and identify, as white.

That was my point.

Actually, if you've ever been a census enumerator, you'd realize how really confusing the questions are.

They ask you first if which race you are - White, Black, Asian, Native American.

Then they ask you if you are Hispanic or not.

The problem here is in American culture. America had separation of the races all the way up until the 1960's, it was just unheard of to marry outside your race. So, the racial groups in this country remain fairly distinct. Even today, only 10% of Americans identify as multi-racial.

In Latin American countries, there was always a mixture of Native Americans, Slaves brought from Africa, and white colonists from Europe, i.e. Mestizo. Estimates in Mexico of "Mixed race" vary from 40% up to 90%.
 
So I'll challenge racist shits like you

Disagreeing with the you and the rest of the looney left doesn’t make me a racist. I haven’t said anything on this board that makes me a racist. Despite what your programming instruct you to think, saying that we should all be treated equally regardless of skin color doesn’t make me a racist, neither does support for enforcing our immigration laws nor does point out statistics that you don’t like.

If anybody is a racist, it is YOU. Your immense white guilt is fueled by a deep seated, intense bias against black people You project those biases to every white person, assuming they have the same internal struggles as you. Sorry, but most of us don’t, thus it is hard for us to see everything through a racial prism.
 
Disagreeing with the you and the rest of the looney left doesn’t make me a racist. I haven’t said anything on this board that makes me a racist. Despite what your programming instruct you to think, saying that we should all be treated equally regardless of skin color doesn’t make me a racist, neither does support for enforcing our immigration laws nor does point out statistics that you don’t like.

If anybody is a racist, it is YOU. Your immense white guilt is fueled by a deep seated, intense bias against black people You project those biases to every white person, assuming they have the same internal struggles as you. Sorry, but most of us don’t, thus it is hard for us to see everything through a racial prism.

Blah, blah, blah... of course, the racist denies racism exists.

you can't have 400 years of institutionalized racism and white privilege and then pretend it ends on a certain date. Equity is an ongoing process of review and reflection.

People like you will bitch all day about the AA hire, but you are fine with white folks getting hired for positions they aren in no way, shape or form qualified for other than connections and privilege.
 
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This whole DEI argument is based on the claim that competency and merit are passed ver because of color.
No, actually it is based on the notion that blacks can't compete on merit or ability unless they have special rules for them. Not only is that not factual, it is self destructive, Outcome based hiring, and is not good for anyone it breeds resentment.
 
No, actually it is based on the notion that blacks can't compete on merit or ability unless they have special rules for them. Not only is that not factual, it is self destructive, Outcome based hiring, and is not good for anyone it breeds resentment.

You see, this is bullshit.

Blacks can compete just fine if given a fair chance. The problem is, when most of your bosses are white people, even if they aren't openly racist, they are still more inclined to hire people who remind them of themselves.

I'm 63 years old. I've changed employers ten times since I left the military. Sometimes I quit, sometimes I got downsized, once I got fired because the boss and I didn't get on well. Most of them were American companies, but one was Japanese and one was British.

Do you know what the common denominator in all those jobs were?

Everyone who ever hired me was a white person. In all but two cases, a white male. Even when I worked for the Japanese company, it was still white people making the hiring decisions.
 
The problem is, when most of your bosses are white people, even if they aren't openly racist, they are still more inclined to hire people who remind them of themselves.

And yet these rules cease to exist in pro sports. In that case, white people hire the best person for the job. Weird huh?
 
Nor does merit. This whole DEI argument is based on the claim that competency and merit are passed ver because of color. Competency and merit do not mean white. Everybody white is not always the best qualified. It's never been that way even when whites were allowed to exclude us who were not white by law. The only reason why so many fields are dominated by whites today is due to the exclusion in the past, not superior white competence or merit. This current administration is just another example of 249 years of unqualified whites, specifically white men, who have been put in high offices over far more qualified people of color.

Donald Trump's war on DEI is not about "merit"​

Executive orders attacking DEI are about promoting unqualified white men over diverse candidates​

onald Trump lies about everything, but the lies strewn throughout his executive order shutting down diversity, equity and inclusion, or DEI, policies in the federal government are especially taxing on one's credulity. Efforts to improve diversity, the order reads, "deny, discredit, and undermine the traditional American values of hard work, excellence, and individual achievement." This paean to the importance of "excellence" and "hard work" comes from a man who, a mere five years ago, looked a row of medical researchers and doctors in the eye and suggested he understood science better than they did, despite having not studied it for a day of his life. He then theorized that Lysol and bleach be used to treat COVID-19 patients "by injection inside, or almost a cleaning, because, you see, it gets in the lungs," aware of the basic scientific principle that painting your lungs with poisonous substances will kill you.

The new executive order insists that recruiting diverse applicants is "diminishing the importance of individual merit, aptitude, hard work, and determination." It was signed by a man who has nominated Pete Hegseth, an understudy Fox News host, to run the Department of Defense. Hegseth's only prior administrative experience comes from running two small-time charities into the ground, resulting in his removal from leadership. This ode to the value of skills and knowledge comes from the same half-literate president who also nominated Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to run Health and Human Services, even though Kennedy claims cognitive decline from a brain worm and also refuses to accept the overwhelming scientific evidence showing that vaccines are safe and effective. The only reason the alleged testament to "merit" is even readable is because someone other than Trump wrote it. The "merit"-loving president famously can't get through a 240-character social media post without multiple grammatical errors and misspellings.

All three of these men embody the concept of incompetence, but they are white, straight and male. When Trump or any MAGA devotee is talking about "merit" or "excellence," that is what they mean: whiteness, straightness and maleness.

And the more incompetent or ignorant the straight white man is, the more he is held out as the exemplar of "merit" in MAGA-speak. For all the talk about opposition to discrimination and belief in a "colorblind" society, the actions of MAGA show that their true goal is reserving better jobs and opportunities for straight white men, while relegating women, LGBTQ folks and people of color to underpaid and lower-status employment.

Of course a person does need to be white to be compentent, nor Asian, nor Ashkenazi Jew.

The point is that when you see an airline pilot enter the cockpit of the airplane on which you are about to fly, and he is white, male, and not openly gay, it is almost certain that he was chosen for the job for his compentence, which exceeded that of other applicants.

That cannot be said of a black, female, or LGBT pilot. You can thank DEI for that.
 
There needs to be a sub-forum called Straw Man.
 
Of course a person does need to be white to be compentent, nor Asian, nor Ashkenazi Jew.

The point is that when you see an airline pilot enter the cockpit of the airplane on which you are about to fly, and he is white, male, and not openly gay, it is almost certain that he was chosen for the job for his compentence, which exceeded that of other applicants.

That cannot be said of a black, female, or LGBT pilot. You can thank DEI for that.
That CAN be said of a black, female, or LGBT pilot. Less qualified white men have flown planes when better qualified black, female, and LGBT pilots were denied jobs. White men HAVE NOT been chosen based only on competence for ANYTHING. It is a racist assumption that black, female, and LGBT candudtes are not hired based on qualifications.
 
Where is DEI in nursing or hairdressers. Idiotic questions. It's never been needed there. They welcome diversity.
Nursing and hair is naturally women and homos.
 
This current administration is just another example of 249 years of unqualified whites, specifically white men, who have been put in high offices over far more qualified people of color.
Yo Vern

I'm a Afro-AMerican Hispanic
For the 60 years I was gainfully employed I always competed on the MERITS and prevailed.
Simply because we are a racial and ethnic minority does not mean that we have a responsibility to support shitty Socialism .
 
And yet these rules cease to exist in pro sports. In that case, white people hire the best person for the job. Weird huh?

Not sure why you think this is a good example.

Only 2% of HS Athletes gets Scholarships, and only 2% of College Athletes end up going on to the NBA or NFL.

Funny how that works, huh?
 
Not sure why you think this is a good example.

Only 2% of HS Athletes gets Scholarships, and only 2% of College Athletes end up going on to the NBA or NFL.

Funny how that works, huh?

You miss the point. The point is that the NFL and NBA, for sample, are BIG businesses. The owners and coaches are predominately white and yet their set aside supposed “racism” to hire the best person for the job, which just happens to be black in most cases. Rich people are greedy, remember? They want to make the most money possible. The owners off these teams are no different than the CEO’s of large corporations. They want to ”win”. To win, you must have the best players/employees. I just find it interesting that you believe that these rich white owners are exceptions to the rule and not the rule.
 
It's another excuse for racism. Minorities shouldn't be given special treatment but ignoring them or disqualifying them because of prejudice is wrong too.
everyone agrees with that, that is not the issue, giving preferential treatment because of race or sex is discrimination, affirmative action is discrimination. Why is the NBA almost all black? because skill and ability are the only criteria.
 
You miss the point. The point is that the NFL and NBA, for sample, are BIG businesses. The owners and coaches are predominately white and yet their set aside supposed “racism” to hire the best person for the job, which just happens to be black in most cases. Rich people are greedy, remember? They want to make the most money possible. The owners off these teams are no different than the CEO’s of large corporations. They want to ”win”. To win, you must have the best players/employees. I just find it interesting that you believe that these rich white owners are exceptions to the rule and not the rule.

No, guy, you didn't have a point.

The main reason why there are more blacks in the NFL now is because white parents aren't letting their children play football. Something about concussive head injuries. So it's less, "Gee, isn't the NFL Progressive and fair" and more "Well, we can offer a black person a shitload of money to destroy his body!" So, yeah, 2% of you might be desperate enough to get out of the ghetto, and the rest of you are going to have to suck it up with permanent injuries.



Of course, this isn't comparable to CEO's of corporations (or even owners of small businesses.) The CEO of a big corporation isn't going to put his idiot nephew in a position where he's going to suffer a concussive brain injury, but he will make him the manager of the HR Department.
 
everyone agrees with that, that is not the issue, giving preferential treatment because of race or sex is discrimination, affirmative action is discrimination. Why is the NBA almost all black? because skill and ability are the only criteria.

Or because white kids have other ways to get scholarships and into the middle class than the 0.4% chance that they might get signed up for the NBA, That's not a path to prosperity, it's the fucking Hunger Games.

Now, my HS had a pretty good basketball team. Went to the state championships for 3 years out of the four. We even beat a rival school that had a young Isiah Thomas on their team.

But funny thing. None of those kids ended up in the NBA. Only a few of them got college scholarships.
 
No, guy, you didn't have a point.

The main reason why there are more blacks in the NFL now is because white parents aren't letting their children play football. Something about concussive head injuries. So it's less, "Gee, isn't the NFL Progressive and fair" and more "Well, we can offer a black person a shitload of money to destroy his body!" So, yeah, 2% of you might be desperate enough to get out of the ghetto, and the rest of you are going to have to suck it up with permanent injuries.



Of course, this isn't comparable to CEO's of corporations (or even owners of small businesses.) The CEO of a big corporation isn't going to put his idiot nephew in a position where he's going to suffer a concussive brain injury, but he will make him the manager of the HR Department.
You are really stupid. Are white people protecting their kids in basketball too?
 
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