Community Investment? Oh, Please

[The Rabbi]

You're deflecting from the issue at hand. This thread isn't about the "big bad police", it's about the black population being given every possible hand up and STILL not getting it done. If you want to cop bash start a thread on that

The black population is not being given a hand up, they're given hand outs. A hand up would be job training, subsidized day care, community centres to fight gangs. It would be jobs programs, and continuing education to upgrade skills.

It would be no arrest and incarceration for small amounts of pot, like what happens with white kids. Not using black neighbourhoods to boost traffic fine income.

It would not suspending blacks kids from school for infractions that get white kids a detention.

In short, a real hand up

Oh and Reagan announced the end to the war on poverty more than 30 years ago. Around the same time he tried to have ketchup declared a vegetable in the school lunch program.

Black communities have gotten exactly those things for 50 years. We see the result.

 

[georgephillip]

Those factories as you put it, were closed for a number of reasons. None of which are "wealth distribution policies'.
many facilities that close are relics of the past. Most were replaced by modern facilities that require far fewer people to operate. Those that do work them, are much more highly trained or educated people...

In China? NAFTA began a race to the bottom the results of which have recently been on display in Baltimore:

NAFTA has contributed to downward pressure on U.S. wages and growth in U.S. income inequality. NAFTA’s broadest economic impact has been to fundamentally transform the types of jobs and wages available for the 63 percent of American workers without a college degree. Most of those who lost manufacturing jobs to NAFTA offshoring and import competition found reemployment in lower-wage jobs in non-offshorable service sectors.

"They added to the glut of workers seeking jobs in these growing sectors, pushing down wages.

"There is broad consensus among economists that recent trade flows have been a significant contributor to the historic rise in U.S. income inequality; the only debate is about the degree of trade’s responsibility. 

"According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, two out of every three displaced manufacturing workers who were rehired in 2012 experienced a wage reduction, most of them taking a pay cut of greater than 20 percent.8 

"As increasing numbers of workers displaced from manufacturing jobs have joined those competing for non-offshorable, low-skill jobs in sectors such as hospitality and food service, real wages have also fallen in these sectors under NAFTA.9

"The resulting downward pressure on middle-class wages has fueled recent income inequality growth."

Like the growth in economic inequality that's turning parts of cities like Baltimore into police states while the richest 1% of Americans pursue gentrification opportunities.

http://www.citizen.org/documents/NAFTA-at-20.pdf

 

[georgephillip]

Trade wars are pointless. Nobody wins.

Trade war isn't the only option when dealing with a structural trade imbalance like the one now affecting China, the US and the EU, but making the same mistake over and over while expecting a different result isn't a good choice either.

 

[georgephillip]

BTW, this has nothing to do with problems facing Baltimore. Nothing.

Economics matter everywhere, from Downtown to Roland Park
"...let's look at a hypothetical case of two babies born on the same day this year in Baltimore. One is born in Roland Park, a wealthy neighborhood in the north of the city.

"The other is born just three miles away in Downtown/Seton Hill, one of the city's poorest neighborhoods.

"The Roland Park baby will most likely live to the age of 84, well above the U.S. average of 79. The Seton Hill baby, on the other hand, can expect to die 19 years earlier at the age of 65.

"That's 14 years below the U.S. average.

"The average child born this year in Seton Hill will be dead before she can even begin to collect Social Security.

15 Baltimore neighborhoods have lower life expectancies than North Korea - The Washington Post

 

[georgephillip]

Baltimore is Burning:
Baltimore is Burning
"I moved to Baltimore in 1997. The city was losing 10,000 people a year. 10% of the city population was addicted to drugs. The jobs were leaving, the city was dying. That was an injustice then, and it still is today.

"But some injustice is harder to see, harder to explain in concrete terms, and harder to correct.

"America lost 8.8 million jobs between 2008 and 2009. We haven't gotten all of them back. And most Americans aren't making any more money today than they were 10 years ago. Thousands of small businesses failed.

"Oh, but the world has 852 new billionaires since the financial crisis.

"Over 5 million Americans lost their homes during the financial crisis. Many of these homes were bought by Blackstone and Berkshire Hathaway and are now being offered for rent by these firms.

"In 2009 — the height of the crisis — Goldman Sachs had a $16 billion compensation pool, just a year after a $10 billion government bailout. On average, Goldman employees made $498,000 in 2009, up from $317,000 in 2008.

"Not one banker went to jail, not one Wall Street CEO got more than a slap on the wrist. Smug congressmen sat on investigative subcommittees, lobbing softball questions and expressing their outrage at their Wall Street accomplices...

"You're damn right people are angry.

"Since 9/11, the Department of Homeland Security has been steadily fortifying local police departments with millions of rounds of hollow-point bullets, Kevlar body armor, automatic weapons, sniper rifles, and armored vehicles.

"Who are they protecting?

 

[Flopper]

Investing in these neighborhoods will bear nothing, they are money pits, all we are doing is throwing money down the drain. They are born into the welfare state and make it a career

Community Investment? Oh, Please

In the face of the Baltimore riots, President Obama is reportedly resigned that nothing much can be done to prevent similar events in the future because of Republican opposition to any greater “investment” by the federal government in mainly black inner-city communities.

“Investment”? What a joke! An investment is something from which you expect a return, and those communities have about as much chance of paying anyone back anything as Confederate War Bonds do of suddenly maturing at ten percent compound.

These communities are not an “investment”; they’re an expense! The biggest money hole in the history of the human race. Since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty program was enacted, we have spent over fifteen trillion – with a t – on welfare (AFDC and other programs), Food Stamps, WIC stamps, free pre-school, free primary and secondary education, free medical care, free cell phones, Section 8 housing assistance, food pantries, free transportation to the Social Services Office and your medical appointments, free legal services, and I don’t know what else because I haven’t the stomach to look any further.

Articles Community Investment Oh Please

The payback is not in dollars and cents. It's less crime and unemployment, or maybe just a bit slower growth rate. Fixing social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces. Often money is spent and it fails to accomplish anything. However, to do nothing as many on the Right favor guarantees failure.

It's already at failure level and has been for years

As I said, it depends of your definition of failure.

Investing in these neighborhoods will bear nothing, they are money pits, all we are doing is throwing money down the drain. They are born into the welfare state and make it a career

Community Investment? Oh, Please

In the face of the Baltimore riots, President Obama is reportedly resigned that nothing much can be done to prevent similar events in the future because of Republican opposition to any greater “investment” by the federal government in mainly black inner-city communities.

“Investment”? What a joke! An investment is something from which you expect a return, and those communities have about as much chance of paying anyone back anything as Confederate War Bonds do of suddenly maturing at ten percent compound.

These communities are not an “investment”; they’re an expense! The biggest money hole in the history of the human race. Since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty program was enacted, we have spent over fifteen trillion – with a t – on welfare (AFDC and other programs), Food Stamps, WIC stamps, free pre-school, free primary and secondary education, free medical care, free cell phones, Section 8 housing assistance, food pantries, free transportation to the Social Services Office and your medical appointments, free legal services, and I don’t know what else because I haven’t the stomach to look any further.

Articles Community Investment Oh Please

The payback is not in dollars and cents. It's less crime and unemployment, or maybe just a bit slower growth rate. Fixing social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces. Often money is spent and it fails to accomplish anything. However, to do nothing as many on the Right favor guarantees failure.

It's already at failure level and has been for years

That depends on your definition of failure.

Baltimore, Oakland, Detroit...need I keep going?

There are many community social programs that have been successful. No, there not on the front page or the subject of national news programs but they are making a difference in people's lives. Shut down all the community programs and things will get worse, a lot worse.

Social Programs That Work

 

[Clementine]

Let's give blacks their own state, give them each a house, a car, a boat, pay the utilities, groceries, insurance, anything they could need or want, and I guarantee that within one year, that state would look like a third world shit hole.

That is true for many on welfare and it doesn't matter what race. There are those who have no choice but welfare and they are the ones who are trying to get off it and back on track. Disabled and elderly would often rather fend for themselves but just can't.

I know plenty of white people on welfare who do absolutely nothing to better themselves and usually make more stupid decisions that ultimately make their situation worse.

I knew one lady who lived in government housing. It was nice when she moved in, but since house cleaning is too much effort, the place looked like crap before long. Then she complained about the smelly carpet and other issues that she was responsible for.

I've seen too many times where people were placed in nice housing, often new or renovated, only to have the units look like slum areas in a short time. People who don't earn things tend not to have any respect for them. They don't take care of things and everything goes to hell.

When you work and make payments for your home, you tend to take care of it and keep it nice. It's an investment, not just something handed to you.

While neither are true all of the time, more often people who understand what it takes to buy a home know the importance of maintaining it. And people who have something handed to them don't have anything invested in it, so could care less. There will always be another one or someone else will have to come fix it.

Whether you have to pay your own way or whether you have others do it for you, you should still make the most of things and not stop improving. No one is going to hand you your dream home or car. You still have to earn those. Whether you rent or have rent paid for you, it's still home. If you can't respect your own home, then you can't respect other people's property. You are the one that needs to change.

When I see gangs stealing and shooting people, I see animals who have no pride and no sense of community. They destroy their own communities because they don't consider themselves part of it. Nothing the community does will change that. How many years have we reached out and send trillions of dollars to keep people fed and housed? Billions have been spent on schools, yet we don't see any difference in student's performance. It's because money doesn't buy respect or make people want to improve. It often goes to what parents are teaching their children before they set foot in school.

Blaming cops or society is a poor excuse. Plenty of people overcome poverty and graduate those same schools that others blame for their failure. Difference is that some have parents who actually care about how their children do in school and they set good examples. If mom or dad use drugs, commit crimes, are members of a gang, never worked, aren't smart enough to help with homework or care enough to make sure they know where their kids are and what they are doing, the children will likely grow up to be just as big of losers. We could spend a million dollars on each person and it wouldn't change a thing.

Liberals hold themselves out as the solution, like a magic pill that will make you lose weight with no effort. When the 'solutions' don't work, the left can't admit it's their fault and they can't blame their dependents or they would lose their voters. So, they humor them and blame others. Then they promise more money and more magic pills.

And then people wonder why the problem has grown instead of being solved. No one wants to be told to get their shit together. It's hard to change, but in the long run, people would be grateful for real help instead of empty promises. Somehow I think the left fears independent, successful people. The left thrives on saving imaginary victims from imaginary boogey men. It gives them power and feeds their narcissism.

 

[Flopper]

Let's give blacks their own state, give them each a house, a car, a boat, pay the utilities, groceries, insurance, anything they could need or want, and I guarantee that within one year, that state would look like a third world shit hole.

That is true for many on welfare and it doesn't matter what race. There are those who have no choice but welfare and they are the ones who are trying to get off it and back on track. Disabled and elderly would often rather fend for themselves but just can't.

I know plenty of white people on welfare who do absolutely nothing to better themselves and usually make more stupid decisions that ultimately make their situation worse.

I knew one lady who lived in government housing. It was nice when she moved in, but since house cleaning is too much effort, the place looked like crap before long. Then she complained about the smelly carpet and other issues that she was responsible for.

I've seen too many times where people were placed in nice housing, often new or renovated, only to have the units look like slum areas in a short time. People who don't earn things tend not to have any respect for them. They don't take care of things and everything goes to hell.

When you work and make payments for your home, you tend to take care of it and keep it nice. It's an investment, not just something handed to you.

While neither are true all of the time, more often people who understand what it takes to buy a home know the importance of maintaining it. And people who have something handed to them don't have anything invested in it, so could care less. There will always be another one or someone else will have to come fix it.

Whether you have to pay your own way or whether you have others do it for you, you should still make the most of things and not stop improving. No one is going to hand you your dream home or car. You still have to earn those. Whether you rent or have rent paid for you, it's still home. If you can't respect your own home, then you can't respect other people's property. You are the one that needs to change.

When I see gangs stealing and shooting people, I see animals who have no pride and no sense of community. They destroy their own communities because they don't consider themselves part of it. Nothing the community does will change that. How many years have we reached out and send trillions of dollars to keep people fed and housed? Billions have been spent on schools, yet we don't see any difference in student's performance. It's because money doesn't buy respect or make people want to improve. It often goes to what parents are teaching their children before they set foot in school.

Blaming cops or society is a poor excuse. Plenty of people overcome poverty and graduate those same schools that others blame for their failure. Difference is that some have parents who actually care about how their children do in school and they set good examples. If mom or dad use drugs, commit crimes, are members of a gang, never worked, aren't smart enough to help with homework or care enough to make sure they know where their kids are and what they are doing, the children will likely grow up to be just as big of losers. We could spend a million dollars on each person and it wouldn't change a thing.

Liberals hold themselves out as the solution, like a magic pill that will make you lose weight with no effort. When the 'solutions' don't work, the left can't admit it's their fault and they can't blame their dependents or they would lose their voters. So, they humor them and blame others. Then they promise more money and more magic pills.

And then people wonder why the problem has grown instead of being solved. No one wants to be told to get their shit together. It's hard to change, but in the long run, people would be grateful for real help instead of empty promises. Somehow I think the left fears independent, successful people. The left thrives on saving imaginary victims from imaginary boogey men. It gives them power and feeds their narcissism.

Most families on welfare have at least one person working in, part time, temp, or just really low paying jobs and most of them will get off welfare after about 14 months. 60% will return to welfare at some time in their lives. A minority will remain on welfare all their life due to many factors, physical or mental illness, disabilities, or they just give up trying to get employment that will support themselves and their dependents.

 

[The Rabbi]

Investing in these neighborhoods will bear nothing, they are money pits, all we are doing is throwing money down the drain. They are born into the welfare state and make it a career

Community Investment? Oh, Please

In the face of the Baltimore riots, President Obama is reportedly resigned that nothing much can be done to prevent similar events in the future because of Republican opposition to any greater “investment” by the federal government in mainly black inner-city communities.

“Investment”? What a joke! An investment is something from which you expect a return, and those communities have about as much chance of paying anyone back anything as Confederate War Bonds do of suddenly maturing at ten percent compound.

These communities are not an “investment”; they’re an expense! The biggest money hole in the history of the human race. Since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty program was enacted, we have spent over fifteen trillion – with a t – on welfare (AFDC and other programs), Food Stamps, WIC stamps, free pre-school, free primary and secondary education, free medical care, free cell phones, Section 8 housing assistance, food pantries, free transportation to the Social Services Office and your medical appointments, free legal services, and I don’t know what else because I haven’t the stomach to look any further.

Articles Community Investment Oh Please

The payback is not in dollars and cents. It's less crime and unemployment, or maybe just a bit slower growth rate. Fixing social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces. Often money is spent and it fails to accomplish anything. However, to do nothing as many on the Right favor guarantees failure.

It's already at failure level and has been for years

As I said, it depends of your definition of failure.

Investing in these neighborhoods will bear nothing, they are money pits, all we are doing is throwing money down the drain. They are born into the welfare state and make it a career

Community Investment? Oh, Please

In the face of the Baltimore riots, President Obama is reportedly resigned that nothing much can be done to prevent similar events in the future because of Republican opposition to any greater “investment” by the federal government in mainly black inner-city communities.

“Investment”? What a joke! An investment is something from which you expect a return, and those communities have about as much chance of paying anyone back anything as Confederate War Bonds do of suddenly maturing at ten percent compound.

These communities are not an “investment”; they’re an expense! The biggest money hole in the history of the human race. Since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty program was enacted, we have spent over fifteen trillion – with a t – on welfare (AFDC and other programs), Food Stamps, WIC stamps, free pre-school, free primary and secondary education, free medical care, free cell phones, Section 8 housing assistance, food pantries, free transportation to the Social Services Office and your medical appointments, free legal services, and I don’t know what else because I haven’t the stomach to look any further.

Articles Community Investment Oh Please

The payback is not in dollars and cents. It's less crime and unemployment, or maybe just a bit slower growth rate. Fixing social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces. Often money is spent and it fails to accomplish anything. However, to do nothing as many on the Right favor guarantees failure.

It's already at failure level and has been for years

That depends on your definition of failure.

Baltimore, Oakland, Detroit...need I keep going?

There are many community social programs that have been successful. No, there not on the front page or the subject of national news programs but they are making a difference in people's lives. Shut down all the community programs and things will get worse, a lot worse.

Social Programs That Work

Even if some programs provide some kind of benefit that does not mean all programs provide benefit. Or that those programs are the only means of providing benefit. Or that those programs do not also provide a detriment.
But in sum our social policies are gross failures. Poverty programs have increased poverty, not reduced it. A truly successful poverty program would eventually shut down for lack of clients.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes and then they become Soylent Green...
Sheesh. go write on your conspiracy theory blog.

 

[Rozman]

Yes boys and girls and children of all ages....
It's time for the Democrats to bring up the we just don't spend enough that's the problem deal again...

 

[Stephanie]

These Democrat race hustling/ploticians say this same thing OVER and over and over.

Any yet, their communities seem to stay the same

How do you like being milked out of your monies all the time? they told us we needed to help the poor, they take OUR money. Now they want YOU TO use YOUR monies to FIX whole communities. IT JUST NEVER STOPS . milk milk milk monies from your families so you can FIX everyone else in the country

what a gig huh?

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

Another clueless, racist bigot thread. STFU. If anyone knows about receiving public assistance, it's you.

No one pays you anymind, you racist. You showed your true hatred for whites in another thread.

No, I didn't. I showed empathy for another race. Try it sometime, it will help heal the problem and fix yours.

Everyone on here knows you hate white people. They are not as stupid as you think they are.

As far as my problems go.
I own my home, a ford f150 extended cab, a ford mustang, have no credit card debt, a great family, a bunch of pets, and just finished eating pulled pork bbq, and washed it down with a hot fudge cake from the dairy dream just down the road.

Am I blessed? Oh hell yes, did I do my part to earn it, oh hell yes, 15 hour work days 6 days a week minimum, for almost 20 years, now, I don't have to work near as hard, and life is much more enjoyable.

Not bad for a poor white boy, who never graduated high school, and married when he was 17 to a 17 year old girl, who is still at his side, just over 27 years later.

Other than having to take care of those who refuse to take care of themselves, please tell me, what problems are prominent in my life?

The problem isn't in the bed of your redneck truck. It's between your ears.

The OP's life story just makes your blood boil, doesn't it....It debunks the lib/progressive theories that people are incapable of rising above their station through their own hard work.
Yeah, well this should piss you off...I don't have a higher education either. I have busted my ass without looking to government for anything.
We own our home and in a few years, will own it outright. Yeah , we have to be careful and that is a choice. We choose to live beneath our means. We refuse to spend what we do not have. Instead, we take a portion of out combined income and invest it. We will be able to retire at a reasonable age and then enjoy ourselves.
Neither the wife or I has a college degree. We did this on our own....
Chew on THAT...

And that's the way it's done!

I was raised in a one parent house, by a mother who worked 14 hours a day, on her feet, as a hair dresser, while at the same time, going to night school on the weekends to better herself, now she has an office job, from her own house, working for one of the biggest insurance companies in the world, and getting more vacation time than most liberals put in work time a year.

And now looking back on it, I realize my mom could have gotten food stamps, and not gone hungry while she watched me and my sister eat, but she had something that liberals have no dam idea about. She had pride. Now that pride has paid off.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

No one pays you anymind, you racist. You showed your true hatred for whites in another thread.

No, I didn't. I showed empathy for another race. Try it sometime, it will help heal the problem and fix yours.

Everyone on here knows you hate white people. They are not as stupid as you think they are.

As far as my problems go.
I own my home, a ford f150 extended cab, a ford mustang, have no credit card debt, a great family, a bunch of pets, and just finished eating pulled pork bbq, and washed it down with a hot fudge cake from the dairy dream just down the road.

Am I blessed? Oh hell yes, did I do my part to earn it, oh hell yes, 15 hour work days 6 days a week minimum, for almost 20 years, now, I don't have to work near as hard, and life is much more enjoyable.

Not bad for a poor white boy, who never graduated high school, and married when he was 17 to a 17 year old girl, who is still at his side, just over 27 years later.

Other than having to take care of those who refuse to take care of themselves, please tell me, what problems are prominent in my life?

The problem isn't in the bed of your redneck truck. It's between your ears.

The OP's life story just makes your blood boil, doesn't it....It debunks the lib/progressive theories that people are incapable of rising above their station through their own hard work.
Yeah, well this should piss you off...I don't have a higher education either. I have busted my ass without looking to government for anything.
We own our home and in a few years, will own it outright. Yeah , we have to be careful and that is a choice. We choose to live beneath our means. We refuse to spend what we do not have. Instead, we take a portion of out combined income and invest it. We will be able to retire at a reasonable age and then enjoy ourselves.
Neither the wife or I has a college degree. We did this on our own....
Chew on THAT...

And that's the way it's done!

I was raised in a one parent house, by a mother who worked 14 hours a day, on her feet, as a hair dresser, while at the same time, going to night school on the weekends to better herself, now she has an office job, from her own house, working for one of the biggest insurance companies in the world, and getting more vacation time than most liberals put in work time a year.

And now looking back on it, I realize my mom could have gotten food stamps, and not gone hungry while she watched me and my sister eat, but she had something that liberals have no dam idea about. She had pride. Now that pride has paid off.

Well done, mom

 

[The Rabbi]

No, I didn't. I showed empathy for another race. Try it sometime, it will help heal the problem and fix yours.

Everyone on here knows you hate white people. They are not as stupid as you think they are.

As far as my problems go.
I own my home, a ford f150 extended cab, a ford mustang, have no credit card debt, a great family, a bunch of pets, and just finished eating pulled pork bbq, and washed it down with a hot fudge cake from the dairy dream just down the road.

Am I blessed? Oh hell yes, did I do my part to earn it, oh hell yes, 15 hour work days 6 days a week minimum, for almost 20 years, now, I don't have to work near as hard, and life is much more enjoyable.

Not bad for a poor white boy, who never graduated high school, and married when he was 17 to a 17 year old girl, who is still at his side, just over 27 years later.

Other than having to take care of those who refuse to take care of themselves, please tell me, what problems are prominent in my life?

The problem isn't in the bed of your redneck truck. It's between your ears.

The OP's life story just makes your blood boil, doesn't it....It debunks the lib/progressive theories that people are incapable of rising above their station through their own hard work.
Yeah, well this should piss you off...I don't have a higher education either. I have busted my ass without looking to government for anything.
We own our home and in a few years, will own it outright. Yeah , we have to be careful and that is a choice. We choose to live beneath our means. We refuse to spend what we do not have. Instead, we take a portion of out combined income and invest it. We will be able to retire at a reasonable age and then enjoy ourselves.
Neither the wife or I has a college degree. We did this on our own....
Chew on THAT...

And that's the way it's done!

I was raised in a one parent house, by a mother who worked 14 hours a day, on her feet, as a hair dresser, while at the same time, going to night school on the weekends to better herself, now she has an office job, from her own house, working for one of the biggest insurance companies in the world, and getting more vacation time than most liberals put in work time a year.

And now looking back on it, I realize my mom could have gotten food stamps, and not gone hungry while she watched me and my sister eat, but she had something that liberals have no dam idea about. She had pride. Now that pride has paid off.

Well done, mom

Stories likke that are always really inspiring. You get a sense for the potential greatness within each of us.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[Flopper]

Investing in these neighborhoods will bear nothing, they are money pits, all we are doing is throwing money down the drain. They are born into the welfare state and make it a career

Community Investment? Oh, Please

In the face of the Baltimore riots, President Obama is reportedly resigned that nothing much can be done to prevent similar events in the future because of Republican opposition to any greater “investment” by the federal government in mainly black inner-city communities.

“Investment”? What a joke! An investment is something from which you expect a return, and those communities have about as much chance of paying anyone back anything as Confederate War Bonds do of suddenly maturing at ten percent compound.

These communities are not an “investment”; they’re an expense! The biggest money hole in the history of the human race. Since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty program was enacted, we have spent over fifteen trillion – with a t – on welfare (AFDC and other programs), Food Stamps, WIC stamps, free pre-school, free primary and secondary education, free medical care, free cell phones, Section 8 housing assistance, food pantries, free transportation to the Social Services Office and your medical appointments, free legal services, and I don’t know what else because I haven’t the stomach to look any further.

Articles Community Investment Oh Please

The payback is not in dollars and cents. It's less crime and unemployment, or maybe just a bit slower growth rate. Fixing social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces. Often money is spent and it fails to accomplish anything. However, to do nothing as many on the Right favor guarantees failure.

It's already at failure level and has been for years

As I said, it depends of your definition of failure.

The payback is not in dollars and cents. It's less crime and unemployment, or maybe just a bit slower growth rate. Fixing social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces. Often money is spent and it fails to accomplish anything. However, to do nothing as many on the Right favor guarantees failure.

It's already at failure level and has been for years

That depends on your definition of failure.

Baltimore, Oakland, Detroit...need I keep going?

There are many community social programs that have been successful. No, there not on the front page or the subject of national news programs but they are making a difference in people's lives. Shut down all the community programs and things will get worse, a lot worse.

Social Programs That Work

Even if some programs provide some kind of benefit that does not mean all programs provide benefit. Or that those programs are the only means of providing benefit. Or that those programs do not also provide a detriment.
But in sum our social policies are gross failures. Poverty programs have increased poverty, not reduced it. A truly successful poverty program would eventually shut down for lack of clients.

I don't think we're talking about the same programs. By community programs, I'm talking about programs like:

Child FIRST (A home visitation program for low-income families with young children at risk of emotional, behavioral, or developmental problems, or child maltreatment)

Triple P System (A system of parenting programs for families with children age 0-8)

Career Academies (Small learning communities in low-income high schools, offering academic and career/technical courses as well as workplace opportunities)

Annual Book Fairs in High-Poverty Elementary Schools (Book fairs providing summer reading over three consecutive years, starting at the end of first or second grade.

Career Academies (Small learning communities in low-income high schools, offering academic and career/technical courses as well as workplace opportunities)

Multidimensional Treatment Foster Care (A foster care intervention for severely delinquent youths)

LifeSkills Training (Middle school substance abuse prevention curriculum)

These programs and many like them are making a real difference in many communities. Funding comes mostly from the local community, government grants, businesses, and public donations. Like many community social programs, government money is seed money. Success rates, that is good outcomes are usually less than 50% but before you call programs like these failures, please sight other programs that have better success rate.

Social Programs That Work

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Just how much more money do they need?

Baltimore Needs MORE Money? Look How Much Obama’s Stimulus Sent.

After the rioting in Baltimore, the left immediately started claiming that if we just invest more money into the city for jobs and education, we would see things turn around for the better. But as it turns out, America has already wasted a massive sum of money there, and you might get sick when you see how much.

The Free Beacon is reporting that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (AARA), otherwise known as the stimulus, sent a “massive” amount of money to the city to be used explicitly for jobs and education. In fact, a total of $1,831,768, 487 was sent there under the act, which is a lot of cash to get things flowing again, but more money will fix it now?

I think not. Below is the Beacon’s partial breakdown of where the funds went, read it and see if you think the answer is sending the city more money:

The city of Baltimore received over $1.8 billion from President Barack Obama’s stimulus law, including $467.1 million to invest in education and $26.5 million for crime prevention.

President Obama claimed last Tuesday that if the Republican-controlled Congress would implement his policies to make “massive investments in urban communities,” they could “make a difference right now” in the city, currently in upheaval following the death of Freddie Gray.

However, a Washington Free Beacon analysis found that the Obama administration and Democratically-controlled Congress did make a “massive” investment into Baltimore, appropriating $1,831,768,487 though the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), commonly known as the stimulus.

According to Recovery.gov, one of Baltimore’s central ZIP codes, 21201, received the most stimulus funding in the city, a total of $837,955,866. The amount included funding for 276 awards, and the website reports that the spending had created 290 jobs in the fourth quarter in 2013.

Of this amount, $467.1 million went to education; $206.1 million to the environment; $24 million to “family”; $16.1 million to infrastructure; $15.2 million to transportation; $11.9 million to housing; and $3.1 million to job training.

Baltimore Needs MORE Money Look How Much Obama s Stimulus Sent.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

I work for a company out of Baltimore, so there are jobs there, for people with skills, and there are always jobs at McDonalds, Burger King, and Wal-Mart, for those without skills.

Maybe some people just don't want to work, or think that they deserve more than minimum wage for flipping burgers...

 

[Manonthestreet]

T Rowe Price has gotta be bummin they decided to stay in 2013