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People who are telling us that we must make America a Christian nation are nothing but the false prophets predicted in the bible. It is written that many will come in the name of the lords. But Jesus left us information so that we can understand the fakes. It's all in their works.

For you cannot proclaim to be wanting this to be a Christian nation then tell the poor that the role of government is not charity.

How do you define Christian nationalism?

Paul D. Miller:
It’s easiest to define Christian nationalism by contrasting it with Christianity. Christianity is a religion. It’s a set of beliefs about ultimate things: most importantly, about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It's drawn from the Bible, from the Nicene Creed, and the Apostles’ Creed.

Christian nationalism is a political ideology about American identity. It is a set of policy prescriptions for what the nationalists believe the American government should do. It’s not drawn from the Bible. It draws political theory from secular philosophy and their own version of history as well. Andrew Whitehead and Samuel Perry wrote a great book last year about Christian nationalism called Taking America Back for God. They say Christian nationalism is a cultural framework, a collection of myths, traditions, symbols, narratives, and value systems.

It idealizes and advocates a fusion of Christianity with American civic life. That's a great way of understanding it. Christian nationalism believes that the American nation is defined by Christianity and that the government should take steps to keep it that way to sustain and maintain our Christian heritage. It’s not merely an observation about American history. It is a prescription for what America should do in the future. We should sustain and continue our identity as a Christian nation. That’s Christian nationalism.

Paul D. Miller is professor of the practice of international affairs at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service. He is also a research fellow with the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. He recently released Just War and Ordered Liberty and is currently finalizing a book tentatively titled "Christian Nationalism in the Age of Trump" for InterVarsity Press.

 
Yup.

Like i have seen recently Christians wanting to ban gay marriage and such.

And i wonder,is what they are saying is of god or a false prophet.





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Yup.

Like i have seen recently Christians wanting to ban gay marriage and such.

And i wonder,is what they are saying is of god or a false prophet.





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I doubt if God made women for men to sleep with other men. However, the bible tells us to do unto others as we would want done to us and to love our neighbor as ourselves. He did not say do unto all but gays, or love your neighbor as you would love yourself, unless they are gay. So in short, I agree with what you are saying
 
Yup.

Like i have seen recently Christians wanting to ban gay marriage and such.

And i wonder,is what they are saying is of god or a false prophet.





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Look, the topic of the thread, which IM2 posted, was about Dominionists.

Dominionists have this delusion, that THEY were the one's that founded this nation, not deisists.

However, it was the Catholics, and the Anabaptists, united with the free blacks, who read the following verse, in the Bible;

1 Timothy 1:10

And finally decided? You know what? It is time we live up to the rhetoric and end slavery in this nation once and for all. What IM2 left out of the OP, is that there is a definite undercurrent to the dominionists.


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The Taxonomy of White Radicalism


Now, you can try to divert the OP for your own little crusade, and I have, indeed, read many a critical pieces by lefty authors whose biggest axe to grind on the Dominists, is that they are against allowing folks with a penis, the use the ladies room. or they are alarmed that christian nationalists want to ban trans folks right to compete professionally, or in school, in girls sports.

And you know what? If that is the hill that folks want to try to battle the dominionists on? They WILL lose the battle against American Neo-fascism in the court of public opinion.

Your opinion on what the Bible may, or may not mean? Is just that, opinion. Folks have been debating those translations, and their meaning, for longer than you have been alive.


I find it sort of coincidental, that the same bible verse that antislavery Christians fought the Dominionists on, over the morality of slavery, is the same verse that condemns idolizing and make a god of sex, and same sex relations among men.

Interesting. Quite an interesting commentary on modern society, IMO.

:eusa_think:
 
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People who are telling us that we must make America a Christian nation are nothing but the false prophets predicted in the bible. It is written that many will come in the name of the lords. But Jesus left us information so that we can understand the fakes. It's all in their works.

For you cannot proclaim to be wanting this to be a Christian nation then tell the poor that the role of government is not charity.

How do you define Christian nationalism?

Paul D. Miller:
It’s easiest to define Christian nationalism by contrasting it with Christianity. Christianity is a religion. It’s a set of beliefs about ultimate things: most importantly, about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It's drawn from the Bible, from the Nicene Creed, and the Apostles’ Creed.

Christian nationalism is a political ideology about American identity. It is a set of policy prescriptions for what the nationalists believe the American government should do. It’s not drawn from the Bible. It draws political theory from secular philosophy and their own version of history as well. Andrew Whitehead and Samuel Perry wrote a great book last year about Christian nationalism called Taking America Back for God. They say Christian nationalism is a cultural framework, a collection of myths, traditions, symbols, narratives, and value systems.

It idealizes and advocates a fusion of Christianity with American civic life. That's a great way of understanding it. Christian nationalism believes that the American nation is defined by Christianity and that the government should take steps to keep it that way to sustain and maintain our Christian heritage. It’s not merely an observation about American history. It is a prescription for what America should do in the future. We should sustain and continue our identity as a Christian nation. That’s Christian nationalism.

Paul D. Miller is professor of the practice of international affairs at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service. He is also a research fellow with the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. He recently released Just War and Ordered Liberty and is currently finalizing a book tentatively titled "Christian Nationalism in the Age of Trump" for InterVarsity Press.

Georgetown incidentally, is a Jesuit school.

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Look, the topic of the thread, which IM2 posted, was about Dominionists.

Dominionists have this delusion, that THEY were the one's that founded this nation, not deisists.

However, it was the Catholics, and the Anabaptists, united with the free blacks, who read the following verse, in the Bible;

1 Timothy 1:10

And finally decided? You know what? It is time we live up to the rhetoric and end slavery in this nation once and for all. What IM2 left out of the OP, is that there is a definite undercurrent to the dominionists.


White
Dominionism
The Taxonomy of White Radicalism


Now, you can try to divert the OP for your own little crusade, and I have, indeed, read many a critical pieces by lefty authors whose biggest axe to grind on the Dominists, is that they are against allowing folks with a penis, the use the ladies room. or they are alarmed that christian nationalists want to ban trans folks right to compete professionally, or in school, in girls sports.

And you know what? If that is the hill that folks want to try to battle the dominionists on? They WILL lose the battle against American Neo-fascism in the court of public opinion.

Your opinion on what the Bible may, or may not mean? Is just that, opinion. Folks have been debating those translations, and their meaning, for longer than you have been alive.


I find it sort of coincidental, that the same bible verse that antislavery Christians fought the Dominionists on, over the morality of slavery, is the same verse that condemns idolizing and make a god of sex, and same sex relations among men.

Interesting. Quite an interesting commentary on modern society, IMO.

:eusa_think:

I think that same bible also talks about owning slaves,beating slaves, not working on sunday and such.

 
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Look, the topic of the thread, which IM2 posted, was about Dominionists.

Dominionists have this delusion, that THEY were the one's that founded this nation, not deisists.

However, it was the Catholics, and the Anabaptists, united with the free blacks, who read the following verse, in the Bible;

1 Timothy 1:10

And finally decided? You know what? It is time we live up to the rhetoric and end slavery in this nation once and for all. What IM2 left out of the OP, is that there is a definite undercurrent to the dominionists.


White
Dominionism
The Taxonomy of White Radicalism


Now, you can try to divert the OP for your own little crusade, and I have, indeed, read many a critical pieces by lefty authors whose biggest axe to grind on the Dominists, is that they are against allowing folks with a penis, the use the ladies room. or they are alarmed that christian nationalists want to ban trans folks right to compete professionally, or in school, in girls sports.

And you know what? If that is the hill that folks want to try to battle the dominionists on? They WILL lose the battle against American Neo-fascism in the court of public opinion.

Your opinion on what the Bible may, or may not mean? Is just that, opinion. Folks have been debating those translations, and their meaning, for longer than you have been alive.


I find it sort of coincidental, that the same bible verse that antislavery Christians fought the Dominionists on, over the morality of slavery, is the same verse that condemns idolizing and make a god of sex, and same sex relations among men.

Interesting. Quite an interesting commentary on modern society, IMO.

:eusa_think:

Maybe there's a change. MTG has been pushing Christian nationalism..

 
Yup.

Like i have seen recently Christians wanting to ban gay marriage and such.

And i wonder,is what they are saying is of god or a false prophet.





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As Jesus stated, "Blind guides who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel......" -- Matthew 23:24

Clearly what's going on...........the attempt to twist the scriptures by narrowing the application defining SIN so it does not include a particular sin. By doing so......attempting to twist the actual word of God around some personal doctrine, are those who do as much not guilty of the same thing that Jesus was charing against the religious leaders of His day?

The Sin? Sexual related sin. "And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the hearts of men, proceed evil thoughts, ADULTIERS, FORNICATIONS (having sexual relations outside the bonds of marriage.......homosexual or heterosexual, sex with a child, sex with the dead, etc., all are indeed types of fornication sins, all with the same wages...........DEATH.).................... (Mark 7:20-23)

Why concern yourself with the attempt to twist one word, or a series of words when the entire message/content.......when read in context self defines exactly what the use of that single word or phrase meant to say?

Of course Homosexuality is condemned by Jesus......just as are all the other types of sexual sins. There is only one type of sex that is authorized as being righteous in the eyes of the Lord. The sex that exists within the Holy Bonds of Marriage.....all other types of Fornications are considered sinful.

What did the Lord have to say about such sin? "Have you not read that He who created them from beginning made them MALE and FEMALE.............................and said, Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh (sexual union)? So that they are no longer one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate." -- 19:5-6

It appears that instead of concentrating on WHAT TYPE OF SEXUAL SIN someone is engaging.....you would concentrate on the fact that they are engaging in sexual deviation from What God defines as righteous....no? All carry the same wages. There is no sin greater than another when all receive the same wages (consider the parable about the men who worked in the vineyard)..........its God that decides the wages and fixes the prices....not man.

You should be concerned about the model that God has planned for mankind falling by the wayside.........the family unit, complete with Father, Mother and children. The number of divorces have skyrocketed, why? There is no valid reason required by US Law (under God's law the only reason for divorce was adultery).....all that's required today is to simply file for divorce like you would go trade in your old car for a newer model.

Sex is not reserved for marriage...........any type of sex is acceptable, and those who promote such are the real enemies of TRUTH. That truth? God created man and woman.........as the only acceptable form of marriage. Truth does not evolve with society, what was true 2000 years ago is just as true today. Regardless of how anyone attempts to redefine something found in the Holy Scriptures...........a sin is still a sin. There are no legal loopholes in the word of God.
 
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Maybe there's a change. MTG has been pushing Christian nationalism..

I'm afraid, 12,000? Is paltry compared to what is really going on. Christian Nationalism, is a media term, that sort of, is a distraction from their larger agenda.

See, just the fact, that IM2 started the thread, by referring to it, as, "Christian Nationalism," when, among themselves, in their own community, they don't see themselves as, in such a naked a political context. It is more, prophetic than that, more spiritual to them.

The term is, Dominionist. Of course, to a political scientist, it amounts to the same. . . but if you don't know both terms? Doing internet searches, and knowing which politicians to look for? :dunno:




Washington Post article from before Trump got the nomination. The fact is, I KNEW the Dominionists, were setting up to get their own in the oval office. It is one of the reasons, I do think, Trump might be a Deep State plant, to draw some of their power, into a sort of false trap. From the very beginning.


And everything going on now, all the rallies, the congressional hearings, that all is just meant to keep their power distracted, and from coalescing around an alternate politician, while the NWO continues its controlled demolition of the nation economy into the global technocratic control grid.


Religion

Ted Cruz’s campaign is fueled by a dominionist vision for America (COMMENTARY)​


"Now that Ted Cruz has an Iowa victory under his belt, it is time to take a deeper look at his Christian approach to politics. What is his real vision for America? Cruz likes to talk about “taking back” or “reclaiming” the United States. What does he mean by this?"

<snip>

". . . . Cruz wants Americans to believe the country has fallen away from its spiritual founding and he, with God’s help, is the man who can bring it back.

Anyone who has watched Cruz on the stump knows that he often references the important role that his father, traveling evangelist Rafael Cruz, has played in his life. During a 2012 sermon at New Beginnings Church in Bedford, Texas, Rafael Cruz described his son’s political campaign as a direct fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

The elder Cruz told the congregation that God would anoint Christian “kings” to preside over an “end-time transfer of wealth” from the wicked to the righteous. After this sermon, Larry Huch, the pastor of New Beginnings, claimed Cruz’s recent election to the U.S. Senate was a sign that he was one of these kings.

According to his father and Huch, Ted Cruz is anointed by God to help Christians in their effort to “go to the marketplace and occupy the land ... and take dominion” over it. This “end-time transfer of wealth” will relieve Christians of all financial woes, allowing true believers to ascend to a position of political and cultural power in which they can build a Christian civilization. When this Christian nation is in place (or back in place), Jesus will return. . . . "
 
I'm afraid, 12,000? Is paltry compared to what is really going on. Christian Nationalism, is a media term, that sort of, is a distraction from their larger agenda.

See, just the fact, that IM2 started the thread, by referring to it, as, "Christian Nationalism," when, among themselves, in their own community, they don't see themselves as, in such a naked a political context. It is more, prophetic than that, more spiritual to them.

The term is, Dominionist. Of course, to a political scientist, it amounts to the same. . . but if you don't know both terms? Doing internet searches, and knowing which politicians to look for? :dunno:




Washington Post article from before Trump got the nomination. The fact is, I KNEW the Dominionists, were setting up to get their own in the oval office. It is one of the reasons, I do think, Trump might be a Deep State plant, to draw some of their power, into a sort of false trap. From the very beginning.


And everything going on now, all the rallies, the congressional hearings, that all is just meant to keep their power distracted, and from coalescing around an alternate politician, while the NWO continues its controlled demolotion of the nation economy into the global technocratic control grid.


Religion

Ted Cruz’s campaign is fueled by a dominionist vision for America (COMMENTARY)​


"Now that Ted Cruz has an Iowa victory under his belt, it is time to take a deeper look at his Christian approach to politics. What is his real vision for America? Cruz likes to talk about “taking back” or “reclaiming” the United States. What does he mean by this?"

<snip>

". . . . Cruz wants Americans to believe the country has fallen away from its spiritual founding and he, with God’s help, is the man who can bring it back.

Anyone who has watched Cruz on the stump knows that he often references the important role that his father, traveling evangelist Rafael Cruz, has played in his life. During a 2012 sermon at New Beginnings Church in Bedford, Texas, Rafael Cruz described his son’s political campaign as a direct fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

The elder Cruz told the congregation that God would anoint Christian “kings” to preside over an “end-time transfer of wealth” from the wicked to the righteous. After this sermon, Larry Huch, the pastor of New Beginnings, claimed Cruz’s recent election to the U.S. Senate was a sign that he was one of these kings.

According to his father and Huch, Ted Cruz is anointed by God to help Christians in their effort to “go to the marketplace and occupy the land ... and take dominion” over it. This “end-time transfer of wealth” will relieve Christians of all financial woes, allowing true believers to ascend to a position of political and cultural power in which they can build a Christian civilization. When this Christian nation is in place (or back in place), Jesus will return. . . . "

I know 12,000 is not enough, but it's a start. MTG is talking about evangelical Christian Nationalists too. Maybe they will wake up. This is strictly an American heresy.

 
Why worry about something that is beyond your influence? God will make the call on mankind.....wheter its a long fail or a shortfail, and that final call depends upon the one thing you can control, your freewill decision making wheter to engage in sin or not.
 
I know 12,000 is not enough, but it's a start. MTG is talking about evangelical Christian Nationalists too. Maybe they will wake up. This is strictly an American heresy.

You don't know her voter base at all, she clearly does. I think her internal polling does as well.
 
Yup, and anyone with any memory at all, will recall, there is no way on god's green Earth, Trump would have ever been elected with out their stamp of approval.
Strange is it not? When there was prosperity and cheap energy prices, with unemployment being at historic lowes........it was the late effects of Obama's policies that caused the greatest economic boom in more that half a century........now, the hyper inflation.....and high energy costs (fuel for the 1st time in history averaged over 5 bucks a gallon in every state and US territory), all were caused by the last administration. :udaman:

Thank God for such genius as exists in the democrat party. I especially like the plan to tax the hell out of the US Taxpayer in order to pay for the billions of dollars in short fall caused by the (wink, wink) Affordable Health Care Plan.
 
I doubt if God made women for men to sleep with other men. However, the bible tells us to do unto others as we would want done to us and to love our neighbor as ourselves. He did not say do unto all but gays, or love your neighbor as you would love yourself, unless they are gay. So in short, I agree with what you are saying
Your god didn't create anything because he doesn't exist. The true god exists outside of the universe. He caused the big bang and the creation of the universe, but does not interfere in the universe.

The bible wasn't written by god, it was written by men, claiming that their ideals were commanded by god.
 
Your god didn't create anything because he doesn't exist. The true god exists outside of the universe. He caused the big bang and the creation of the universe, but does not interfere in the universe.

The bible wasn't written by god, it was written by men, claiming that their ideals were commanded by god.
The bible is correct........it was written by at least 40 different human authors, all from different lifestyles from sheep herders to physicans to royality, with the result being a complete harmonious work from Genesis to Revelation. The bible not only claims to be from the work of God having inspired ALL SCRIPTURE (2 Tim. 3:16-17)..........IT CAN PROVE IT.

It is the only book(s) in world history that was recorded over a total of 1500 years (the Bible was a work in progress for over 1500 years)..............it was written by 40 different authors from various and sundry backgrounds, all wrote from inspiration toward a common goal, God's plan to bring to humanity a special blessing (Gen. 2:1-4, 22:14,18, Isa. 53)..........a plan to provide a method for mankind to gain access to eternal fellowship with the God of Creation, through the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. All the while working through a stiff necked, stubborn, rebelious nation to whom God was husbanded.....Biblical Israel. (Isa. 9:6)

There are many prohecies concerning the coming of the Messiah that are impossible for mankind to plan and or stage, it would be humanily impossible. You can't predict that a child would be called "Mighty God" and "From Everlasting" and identify where He would be born and He would be rejected before becoming the "chief cornerstone" of the greatest faith/relgion to ever exist on earth (documented by history actual.....Christianity is the largest religion on earth with over 3 billion members). You could not predict that His flesh would see no corruption......there are hundres of these prophecies that have come true.

For instance the rise and fall of great city/nations that were predicted........all recorded as coming true by history actual. Examples: Tyre, Nineveh, Babylon, and Jerusalem (twice)..........all predicted to fall years before they actually fell, all found to be accurate by the science of Archaeology..........Proving the bible to be right and truthful.

Many times the bible has been proven right and man wrong in their charges against the biblical record. The record in the Bible was thousands of years ahead of the scientific knowledge of mankind. Mankind is just now catching up to the record found in the Bible.........that began as an oral history over 3500 years ago.
 
The bible is correct........it was written by at least 40 different human authors, all from different lifestyles from sheep herders to physicans to royality, with the result being a complete harmonious work from Genesis to Revelation. The bible not only claims to be from the work of God having inspired ALL SCRIPTURE (2 Tim. 3:16-17)..........IT CAN PROVE IT.

It is the only book(s) in world history that was recorded over a total of 1500 years (the Bible was a work in progress for over 1500 years)..............it was written by 40 different authors from various and sundry backgrounds, all wrote from inspiration toward a common goal, God's plan to bring to humanity a special blessing (Gen. 2:1-4, 22:14,18, Isa. 53)..........a plan to provide a method for mankind to gain access to eternal fellowship with the God of Creation, through the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. All the while working through a stiff necked, stubborn, rebelious nation to whom God was husbanded.....Biblical Israel. (Isa. 9:6)

There are many prohecies concerning the coming of the Messiah that are impossible for mankind to plan and or stage, it would be humanily impossible. You can't predict that a child would be called "Mighty God" and "From Everlasting" and identify where He would be born and He would be rejected before becoming the "chief cornerstone" of the greatest faith/relgion to ever exist on earth (documented by history actual.....Christianity is the largest religion on earth with over 3 billion members). You could not predict that His flesh would see no corruption......there are hundres of these prophecies that have come true.

For instance the rise and fall of great city/nations that were predicted........all recorded as coming true by history actual. Examples: Tyre, Nineveh, Babylon, and Jerusalem (twice)..........all predicted to fall years before they actually fell, all found to be accurate by the science of Archaeology..........Proving the bible to be right and truthful.

Many times the bible has been proven right and man wrong in their charges against the biblical record. The record in the Bible was thousands of years ahead of the scientific knowledge of mankind. Mankind is just now catching up to the record found in the Bible.........that began as an oral history over 3500 years ago.

Like I said, It was written by MEN, not a god.

The bible also says that if a woman is raped inside a city she has to be executed as a whore.
 

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