What is Christian Nationalism and is it a threat?

[surada]

Do you support Nazism or Zionism or any of the nationalist movements?

 

[OldFlame]

Do you support Nazism or Zionism or any of the nationalist movements?

Sure, I support both, to the max.

 

[surada]

Sure, I support both, to the max.

Christian Nationalism is no different.. it typically aggressive and racist. I wouldn't do that to anyone... Not blacks or Jews..

 

[OldFlame]

Christian Nationalism is no different.. it typically aggressive and racist. I wouldn't do that to anyone... Not blacks or Jews..

What are your examples of it 'typically being aggressive and racist'?

 

[surada]

What are your examples of it 'typically being aggressive and racist'?

All the nationalists of the 20th century.

10 Facts About 20th Century Nationalism

The revolutionary age of the 18th and 19th centuries sparked new waves of thinking about governance and sovereignty. From these waves came the idea...

www.historyhit.com

 

[22lcidw]

All the nationalists of the 20th century.

There is an endless stream of White Nationalists and Christian Nationalists accusations every day in the media. in TV programs, in Films and it is nasty. Yet we so no one arrested for criminal infractions to others. Names have to be made up even. There most likely are groups around the nation. So, then it gets down to some people who go to church and have strict rules. And it is those rules that call them haters from those who took over our top political and leadership positions over the decades. I think humans have a lot of leniencies, even though we bloviate a lot. It is how far the leniencies go that we are arguing.

 

[surada]

German Templer colonies in Palestine - Wikipedia

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Haifa German colony

www.levantineheritage.com

 

[surada]

There is an endless stream of White Nationalists and Christian Nationalists accusations every day in the media. in TV programs, in Films and it is nasty. Yet we so no one arrested for criminal infractions to others. Names have to be made up even. There most likely are groups around the nation. So, then it gets down to some people who go to church and have strict rules. And it is those rules that call them haters from those who took over our top political and leadership positions over the decades. I think humans have a lot of leniencies, even though we bloviate a lot. It is how far the leniencies go that we are arguing.

Read the link I provided above.

 

[Libby von H]

MSN

Christian Nationalism Report

Neighborly Faith is a national movement of Christian students leading change across faiths. We believe that we can be gospel-centered while making America more welcoming to all.

www.neighborlyfaith.org

Ever since the tragic events of Jan. 6, 2021, in which a handful of the violent rioters donned explicitly Christian symbols, much ink has been spilled about the rising threat of Christian nationalism, which critics charge is a malignant anti-democratic force hellbent on overthrowing American democracy.

Fears of Christian nationalism have spawned a burgeoning subgenre of books, conferences and journal articles. One widely cited survey, which included sloppily expansive definitions, found that a whopping 51% of Americans were Christian nationalists.

And the new documentary "God & Country," scheduled for release Friday and produced by Hollywood mogul Rob Reiner, warns in ominous tones about the nationalists lurking around every corner.

Still, the term itself has been employed to incorporate seemingly any Christian engagement in the public square. Even Michael Wear, former faith outreach coordinator for President Barack Obama, has shared his concerns about the way "Christian nationalism" is used in an overly expansive way.

Andrew Walker, a Baptist scholar, rightly pleads: “Convince me that your skepticism about Christian nationalism isn’t just a cover for wanting Christians out of politics and out of power. Convince me that Christian nationalism is not just another progressive epithet hurled against conservative Christians.”

To address the lack of definition of what constitutes Christian nationalism, one group has released a survey that both dispels some of the hyperbole and gives a more nuanced picture. The group, Neighborly Faith, began with a 14-point definition of Christian nationalism. What the researchers found is that the number of actual Christian nationalists is much smaller than we’ve been led to believe: Only 5% of Americans self-identify as Christian nationalists, and only 11% of Americans fit the category of “adherents.”

But others come up with a lesser definition of what is a CN, or Christian Nationalist, reducing it to 6 questions.

Here is one such test.

1. The federal government should declare the United States as a Christian nation.
2. The federal government should advocate Christian values.
3. The federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state.
4. The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces.
5. The success of the United States is part of God’s plan.
6. The federal government should allow prayer in public schools.

I don't understand how #1 and #3 can coexist in this poll. How can one declare the US a Christian nation and believe that there should be a separation of church and state. Even polls don't make sense with all this hysteria.

But let's say CN is the majority. Would it then only be democratic to embrace it as a nation? Would those who favor it only be practicing democracy? If so, then those that oppose it would be opposing democracy. The Left would have us think that as long as democracy is at work, it is right, it is just, it is fair, unless, of course, they don't like the result. LOL.

If CN is not really in the majority, if they are in the minority, how should the majority safely control them so that they never become the majority and their influence is curbed so as not to effect the majority so that our society is more diverse? Of course, this type of thinking is also contradictory. How can you embrace diversity while targeting any particular minority group within society as being the enemy to limit their input into society and/or destroy them?

But I think the biggest fear is, not that CN is in the majority, the biggest fear is that they are in the minority and wish to take over the government because they are in the minority. People really believe that on 1/6 the United States was almost taken over by CN and all they need to do next time is complete the job, whatever you may think that entails. How could the Viking and unarmed woman who was shot dead take over the government for CN and end democracy for all time? How could they succeed in the future?

Anyone?

Since they are in the minority, I would assume they would have to raise an army to fight off the majority, or does anyone here think that the minority could take over the majority without a shot fired? I do see how the Federal government is run by an ivory tower of elites who are in the minority, that is, they don't really seem to represent the majority, so I guess this fear is somewhat grounded in the reality of what we have today, but this is usually accomplished with great wealth and corruption instead of an army.

So if CN is such a threat, I would think we would have to look at two possible ways they could wield their evil power and influence.

CN would either have to raise an army to take over the country, or use their wealth and influence to sway elected officials in order to take over the country with an oligarchy of elitists who run it like we have now. Therefore, the burden of showing their threat would be to show their wealth and or military capacity, neither of which they have. Show me there wealth or military might to show they are a threat. If not, then they are just another minority within society that the majority likes to beat up to make themselves feel superior and to make themselves feel protected.

 

[Libby von H]

In a debate you would be disgraced

1) You take no position, implying nothing is obvious
2) You don't have a defintion of CN that any supposed CN-er would own up to
3) you have the history and motivation all wrong.

It was an Orthodox Jew that started what you incorrectly call CN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SeaMajor7]

It's all PROJECTION OF NARRATIVE.
The demented LEFT neo-Bolsheviks need an oppressor to struggle against, so they make up a bullshit bogeyman and narrative.
Marxism 101.

 

[22lcidw]

Read the link I provided above.

Most people give their interpretations of life with the influences from their families and people they live around with when growing up. Christian Nationalists would be what many neighborhoods in many large cities e accused of a half century ago. That was the norm for people looking out after each other to some degree. I remember Easter vastly different than what it is now. And I include myself in its decline.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's another boogeyman that was created by the govt. Libs are constantly projecting their hideous activities ie antifa, BLM, riots, that they actually did commit....murder, theft, larceny, burning cities down.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Christian Nationalism has been a major threat, and source of terrorism, in America for many decades.

What do you think the KKK was?

A bunch of racist democrats. Anything else you need clarified?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Isn't that what Trump and his Republican Party doing to migrants?

No.

 

[surada]

What are your examples of it 'typically being aggressive and racist'?

Christian Nationalism has evolved with Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and other televangelists until now we have Donald Trump.

Dominion theology, also known as dominionism, is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied.

Dominion theology - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[OldFlame]

Christian Nationalism has evolved with Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and other televangelists until now we have Donald Trump.

Dominion theology, also known as dominionism, is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied.

Dominion theology - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Total and complete bullshit, utter garbage.

You guys can't even keep your story straight, most of the time you're mocking Christians about voting for Trump when he's such a sinner, and then you claim he wants to install Christian Nationalism. Please.

You must be young, if Christian nationalism was going to be installed, it would have been long, long ago. We're so far past that today, that it's secularism that is the threat, but you're too damn stupid to understand that. Besides, I'm sure you want Islam spread across the land, don't you? If there's any religion that wants to control government and every aspect of your life, it's Islam.

 

[surada]

Total and complete bullshit, utter garbage.

You guys can't even keep your story straight, most of the time you're mocking Christians about voting for Trump when he's such a sinner, and then you claim he wants to install Christian Nationalism. Please.

You must be young, if Christian nationalism was going to be installed, it would have been long, long ago. We're so far past that today, that it's secularism that is the threat, but you're too damn stupid to understand that. Besides, I'm sure you want Islam spread across the land, don't you? If there's any religion that wants to control government and every aspect of your life, it's Islam.

Don't you listen to Trump?

 

[OldFlame]

Don't you listen to Trump?

No, not particularly.

What are you raging about today, keeping abortion laws in the states where they should be?

 

[bendog]

MSN

Christian Nationalism Report

Neighborly Faith is a national movement of Christian students leading change across faiths. We believe that we can be gospel-centered while making America more welcoming to all.

www.neighborlyfaith.org

Ever since the tragic events of Jan. 6, 2021, in which a handful of the violent rioters donned explicitly Christian symbols, much ink has been spilled about the rising threat of Christian nationalism, which critics charge is a malignant anti-democratic force hellbent on overthrowing American democracy.

Fears of Christian nationalism have spawned a burgeoning subgenre of books, conferences and journal articles. One widely cited survey, which included sloppily expansive definitions, found that a whopping 51% of Americans were Christian nationalists.

And the new documentary "God & Country," scheduled for release Friday and produced by Hollywood mogul Rob Reiner, warns in ominous tones about the nationalists lurking around every corner.

Still, the term itself has been employed to incorporate seemingly any Christian engagement in the public square. Even Michael Wear, former faith outreach coordinator for President Barack Obama, has shared his concerns about the way "Christian nationalism" is used in an overly expansive way.

Andrew Walker, a Baptist scholar, rightly pleads: “Convince me that your skepticism about Christian nationalism isn’t just a cover for wanting Christians out of politics and out of power. Convince me that Christian nationalism is not just another progressive epithet hurled against conservative Christians.”

To address the lack of definition of what constitutes Christian nationalism, one group has released a survey that both dispels some of the hyperbole and gives a more nuanced picture. The group, Neighborly Faith, began with a 14-point definition of Christian nationalism. What the researchers found is that the number of actual Christian nationalists is much smaller than we’ve been led to believe: Only 5% of Americans self-identify as Christian nationalists, and only 11% of Americans fit the category of “adherents.”

But others come up with a lesser definition of what is a CN, or Christian Nationalist, reducing it to 6 questions.

Here is one such test.

1. The federal government should declare the United States as a Christian nation.
2. The federal government should advocate Christian values.
3. The federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state.
4. The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces.
5. The success of the United States is part of God’s plan.
6. The federal government should allow prayer in public schools.

I don't understand how #1 and #3 can coexist in this poll. How can one declare the US a Christian nation and believe that there should be a separation of church and state. Even polls don't make sense with all this hysteria.

But let's say CN is the majority. Would it then only be democratic to embrace it as a nation? Would those who favor it only be practicing democracy? If so, then those that oppose it would be opposing democracy. The Left would have us think that as long as democracy is at work, it is right, it is just, it is fair, unless, of course, they don't like the result. LOL.

If CN is not really in the majority, if they are in the minority, how should the majority safely control them so that they never become the majority and their influence is curbed so as not to effect the majority so that our society is more diverse? Of course, this type of thinking is also contradictory. How can you embrace diversity while targeting any particular minority group within society as being the enemy to limit their input into society and/or destroy them?

But I think the biggest fear is, not that CN is in the majority, the biggest fear is that they are in the minority and wish to take over the government because they are in the minority. People really believe that on 1/6 the United States was almost taken over by CN and all they need to do next time is complete the job, whatever you may think that entails. How could the Viking and unarmed woman who was shot dead take over the government for CN and end democracy for all time? How could they succeed in the future?

Anyone?

Since they are in the minority, I would assume they would have to raise an army to fight off the majority, or does anyone here think that the minority could take over the majority without a shot fired? I do see how the Federal government is run by an ivory tower of elites who are in the minority, that is, they don't really seem to represent the majority, so I guess this fear is somewhat grounded in the reality of what we have today, but this is usually accomplished with great wealth and corruption instead of an army.

So if CN is such a threat, I would think we would have to look at two possible ways they could wield their evil power and influence.

CN would either have to raise an army to take over the country, or use their wealth and influence to sway elected officials in order to take over the country with an oligarchy of elitists who run it like we have now. Therefore, the burden of showing their threat would be to show their wealth and or military capacity, neither of which they have. Show me there wealth or military might to show they are a threat. If not, then they are just another minority within society that the majority likes to beat up to make themselves feel superior and to make themselves feel protected.

Do the actions of "Christian nationalists" require non-christians (or christians of different denominations) to alter their actions from what was not previously a crime? If not, there's no issue.