Chicago teacher's union wants a 30% pay raise

[CaféAuLait]

Than the rest of the country?

They don't get paid more than I do. I'm in the country, aren't I?

I've no clue where you are, but that list Dean posted above shows Chicago, on average, is paid the most.

As our educating the next generation of worker bees is probably the most important task in our society, and considering the education level one must maintain in order to be a teacher, shouldnt they get paid the salariesd Rdean posted?

They dont seem overpaid to me at all...especially considering Ill make more than every one of those salaries this year in a manufacturing job.

I did not say they should not get paid that much. The OP states the teachers in the article are making 71k a year plus bennies and work 10 hours a week less than the other teachers in this nation. It also states they are now demanding more money to teach the SAME amount of hours. The teachers are FORCED to choose what to teach, science, math, history because they cut their hours so much and have a near 50 percent failure rate. But they make more than the average teacher and work far less.

 

[Vidi]

you sir, are ignorant.

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My 15 year old had alot of trouble in school over the years. we tried everything. Special classes, tutors, changed schools to charter schools and finally a private school...NOTHING worked until I finally got tough with him ( weve covered that in another thread )

Now he goes to public school again ( saves me a ton of money ) and is on the honor roll.

Vouchers wont fix the problem with our schools. PARENTS will.

WE, parents, need to stop coddling our kids and DEMAND better performance from them. Its OUR responsibility. Not the schools.

Of course our children are our responsibility; I'm going slightly off topic here. The government sends the wrong message sometimes. We have teachers becoming the lunch police, we have teachers brushing children’s teeth, handing out condoms, and counseling children on sex, carting them to Planned Parenthood for BC and abortions, etc. The government is overstepping in many areas ( it is Not a teachers responsibility to brush a child’s teeth or police their lunch etc) and it sends a signal to many parents that the child is the states responsibility and not theirs.

First, Ive never heard of teachers brushing kids teeth, but in this day and age it wouldnt surprise me if it was true.

Second, maybe if those kids were brushing their teeth at home, the teachers wouldnt be brushing the kids teeth and everything else you mentioned that are clearly a parents responsibility, instead of teaching them algebra? Just saying.

Maybe it does send the wrong signal to the parents, but SOMEONE has to take responsibility for these kids.

 

[Charles_Main]

Anybody wanna defend this?
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" It takes a lot of nerve to ask for a 30 percent pay raise. You’d better be sure you had a banner year. Yet in Chicago, where just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading (and just 56 percent of students graduate), the teachers union is set to strike if the district does not agree to a 30 percent increase in teachers’ salaries.

The average teacher in Chicago Public Schools—a district facing a $700 million deficit—makes $71,000 per year before benefits are included. If the district meets union demands and rewards teachers with the requested salary increase, education employees will receive compensation north of $92,000 per year.

According to the Illinois Policy Institute, the average annual income of a family in Chicago is $47,000 per year. If implemented, the 30 percent raise will mean that in nine months, a single teacher in the Chicago Public School system will take home nearly double what the average family in the city earns in a year.

According to the union, 91 percent of its members voted for the ability to strike. That vote gives the union the ability to walk out of public school classrooms as children return to school this fall.

The union argues that Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) wants to extend the school day, and that the requested salary increase would compensate them for extending the school day from 5.5 hours—among the nation’s shortest school days—to 7.5 hours. Chicago Public Schools states that under the extended school day:

On average teachers will provide 5.5 hours of instruction (an increase of 54 minutes), receive a 45-minute duty-free lunch and 60-minute prep period and supervise the passing period. They will also be required to be on-site for 10 minutes before and after school.
While the union bemoans the longer school day and is demanding a hefty pay raise as a result, taxpayers will be left holding the bill for a 30 percent salary increase and wondering whether $92,000 is appropriate compensation for public school employees. "


Chicago Teachers Union Demands 30 Percent Pay Raise
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I am sure the Liberals will tell you more money means better Teachers. LOL

This is Insanity. Can you Imagine 30%, Just how many people in the Private Sector you think regularly get 30% raises? lol More like 3%.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Carting them to Planned parenthood for abortions?

Damn. The dumb is thick up in here.

 

[CaféAuLait]

My 15 year old had alot of trouble in school over the years. we tried everything. Special classes, tutors, changed schools to charter schools and finally a private school...NOTHING worked until I finally got tough with him ( weve covered that in another thread )

Now he goes to public school again ( saves me a ton of money ) and is on the honor roll.

Vouchers wont fix the problem with our schools. PARENTS will.

WE, parents, need to stop coddling our kids and DEMAND better performance from them. Its OUR responsibility. Not the schools.

Of course our children are our responsibility; I'm going slightly off topic here. The government sends the wrong message sometimes. We have teachers becoming the lunch police, we have teachers brushing children’s teeth, handing out condoms, and counseling children on sex, carting them to Planned Parenthood for BC and abortions, etc. The government is overstepping in many areas ( it is Not a teachers responsibility to brush a child’s teeth or police their lunch etc) and it sends a signal to many parents that the child is the states responsibility and not theirs.

First, Ive never heard of teachers brushing kids teeth, but in this day and age it wouldnt surprise me if it was true.

Second, maybe if those kids were brushing their teeth at home, the teachers wouldnt be brushing the kids teeth and everything else you mentioned that are clearly a parents responsibility, instead of teaching them algebra? Just saying.

Maybe it does send the wrong signal to the parents, but SOMEONE has to take responsibility for these kids.

IIRC it was Massachusetts. And IMO it has created a vicious cycle, teachers have to do this and that AND make sure my kid does well. It has taken away parental responsibility bit by bit. Parent’s rights are becoming nil as well in some school settings.

 

[candycorn]

Anybody wanna defend this?
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" It takes a lot of nerve to ask for a 30 percent pay raise. You’d better be sure you had a banner year. Yet in Chicago, where just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading (and just 56 percent of students graduate), the teachers union is set to strike if the district does not agree to a 30 percent increase in teachers’ salaries.

The average teacher in Chicago Public Schools—a district facing a $700 million deficit—makes $71,000 per year before benefits are included. If the district meets union demands and rewards teachers with the requested salary increase, education employees will receive compensation north of $92,000 per year.

According to the Illinois Policy Institute, the average annual income of a family in Chicago is $47,000 per year. If implemented, the 30 percent raise will mean that in nine months, a single teacher in the Chicago Public School system will take home nearly double what the average family in the city earns in a year.

According to the union, 91 percent of its members voted for the ability to strike. That vote gives the union the ability to walk out of public school classrooms as children return to school this fall.

The union argues that Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) wants to extend the school day, and that the requested salary increase would compensate them for extending the school day from 5.5 hours—among the nation’s shortest school days—to 7.5 hours. Chicago Public Schools states that under the extended school day:

On average teachers will provide 5.5 hours of instruction (an increase of 54 minutes), receive a 45-minute duty-free lunch and 60-minute prep period and supervise the passing period. They will also be required to be on-site for 10 minutes before and after school.
While the union bemoans the longer school day and is demanding a hefty pay raise as a result, taxpayers will be left holding the bill for a 30 percent salary increase and wondering whether $92,000 is appropriate compensation for public school employees. "


Chicago Teachers Union Demands 30 Percent Pay Raise
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Them wanting a raise? Sure, I'll defend that. I want a raise too. Chances are all who are reading this would like one as well.

I doubt they'll get it and are strongly overplaying their hand. But wanting it and doing things within the law to get it? Sure. No problem with that.

So you're having to work 37% longer hours for no extra pay? Wow that's rough. Bet your boss is really glad you'll put up with that shit, though.

???

 

[paulitician]

The Dums in Chicago will give it to em. For what, i don't know. They're certainly not doing their jobs. Oh what a sad Third World mess Chicago has become. WTG Dums.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Carting them to Planned parenthood for abortions?

Damn. The dumb is thick up in here.

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Teachers should not have to worry about such or brushing a child's teeth. They are there to teach not parent. It has skewed the lines.

 

[Rozman]

We spend a fortune on the public school system out of our tax dollars....
The kids are dumber coming out then when they went in for the most part.
And the answer is to spend more.....

 

[MeBelle]

You've said enough.

I responded to your childish straw man question.

And I responded to yours.

Point?

I made my point in my post which, BTW, was directed at rdean.

 

[paulitician]

We spend a fortune on the public school system out of our tax dollars....
The kids are dumber coming out then when they went in for the most part.
And the answer is to spend more.....

Our Public School System is a real mess. And the greedy incompetent Teacher Unions are most responsible for it. It's all about them now. They stopped caring about the kids a long time ago. It's a real shame.

 

[theHawk]

Anybody wanna defend this?
.
.
" It takes a lot of nerve to ask for a 30 percent pay raise. You’d better be sure you had a banner year. Yet in Chicago, where just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading (and just 56 percent of students graduate), the teachers union is set to strike if the district does not agree to a 30 percent increase in teachers’ salaries.

The average teacher in Chicago Public Schools—a district facing a $700 million deficit—makes $71,000 per year before benefits are included. If the district meets union demands and rewards teachers with the requested salary increase, education employees will receive compensation north of $92,000 per year.

According to the Illinois Policy Institute, the average annual income of a family in Chicago is $47,000 per year. If implemented, the 30 percent raise will mean that in nine months, a single teacher in the Chicago Public School system will take home nearly double what the average family in the city earns in a year.

According to the union, 91 percent of its members voted for the ability to strike. That vote gives the union the ability to walk out of public school classrooms as children return to school this fall.

The union argues that Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) wants to extend the school day, and that the requested salary increase would compensate them for extending the school day from 5.5 hours—among the nation’s shortest school days—to 7.5 hours. Chicago Public Schools states that under the extended school day:

On average teachers will provide 5.5 hours of instruction (an increase of 54 minutes), receive a 45-minute duty-free lunch and 60-minute prep period and supervise the passing period. They will also be required to be on-site for 10 minutes before and after school.
While the union bemoans the longer school day and is demanding a hefty pay raise as a result, taxpayers will be left holding the bill for a 30 percent salary increase and wondering whether $92,000 is appropriate compensation for public school employees. "


Chicago Teachers Union Demands 30 Percent Pay Raise
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Proof that no government, federal, state, or local, should be in the education business.

If education was a free enterprise it would have 10 times the quality and probably done at half the price.

 

[MeBelle]

Why do Republicans pro-create with their siblings?

For the same reason anyone else does?

Ahh, the "Voice of Experience". It explains so much.

It sure does rdean.

How about you respond to YOUR backyard failing school system?
Can't do it, can you?

 

[DontBeStupid]

don't be stupid.

you are ignoring what I am saying in substance, cherry picking snippets and taking them out of context.

I never excepted nor is it a good idea for the taxpayers via the fed gov. to pick up state budget items, or private ind. period.



low borrowing rates, so you do believe its the feds job to pay public sector salaries of states how have cornered themselves, even if it means borrowing to do it, hey we did that, remember? when does it end? ... you do know that Illinois is on the ropes right? we the fed is out of money and yet, just borrow more...more more more....you're intellectually bankrupt, thats what that says.

REALITY has everything to do with it....

If you wanted to discuss reality, then you would admit that interest rates are historically low and ANY government in the country could borrow at historically low rates. Also, if you wanted to stay in reality, you would admit that in times of severe economic recession and/or high unemployment, allowing people to take pay cuts or lay offs, instead of borrowing, is a sure fire way to make matters worse.

But you don't want to be in reality do you? You just want to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.

we have borrowed, we are borrowing, that is not the answer, we are beyond that, you appear to be the same carbon copy Lib, just spend, borrow it beg it steal it tax , but just spend...and there is never ever a point at which we stop, or, you tell me what is that stopping point?

at what point if any would you say no no more borrowing at any rate....


do you believe that private sector jobs should receive the same federal or state sppt. as in salary subsidies? if not why not ? if yes, pleas say why.

insult don't be a hack, stop telling me what you think I am saying or what you want me to say or be seen saying, to fit your narrative, and answer/address what I AM saying.

Ok.

We can stop borrowing when unemployment has dropped to a normal range. Say, 5.7%. That's 2.5 percentage point drop. Also, when the private sector is adding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month. At that point, stop borrowing if you want. Cut people loose. The private sector will be able to accommodate them.

Also, if I can borrow at 1% and get a 4% return, I will do that every day and twice on Sunday. The Government can do that right now. Today. And twice on Sunday. We should stop borrowing when we can't do that. Until that day, it is idiotic not to borrow and grow the economy and country.

No, the private sector should not get that support from the government. In large part, because private companies are sitting on $2T in cash, and also, because they can borrow too!

Now, you're turn.

With high unemployment and low consumer demand, why do you want more people laid off and more salaries cut? Or not increased? How will this help the economy?

Also, with respect to teachers, again I ask, how does taking money from the school help increase competition? How does paying teachers less attract more into the field and increase competition?

 

[paulitician]

If you wanted to discuss reality, then you would admit that interest rates are historically low and ANY government in the country could borrow at historically low rates. Also, if you wanted to stay in reality, you would admit that in times of severe economic recession and/or high unemployment, allowing people to take pay cuts or lay offs, instead of borrowing, is a sure fire way to make matters worse.

But you don't want to be in reality do you? You just want to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.

we have borrowed, we are borrowing, that is not the answer, we are beyond that, you appear to be the same carbon copy Lib, just spend, borrow it beg it steal it tax , but just spend...and there is never ever a point at which we stop, or, you tell me what is that stopping point?

at what point if any would you say no no more borrowing at any rate....


do you believe that private sector jobs should receive the same federal or state sppt. as in salary subsidies? if not why not ? if yes, pleas say why.

insult don't be a hack, stop telling me what you think I am saying or what you want me to say or be seen saying, to fit your narrative, and answer/address what I AM saying.

Ok.

We can stop borrowing when unemployment has dropped to a normal range. Say, 5.7%. That's 2.5 percentage point drop. Also, when the private sector is adding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month. At that point, stop borrowing if you want. Cut people loose. The private sector will be able to accommodate them.

Also, if I can borrow at 1% and get a 4% return, I will do that every day and twice on Sunday. The Government can do that right now. Today. And twice on Sunday. We should stop borrowing when we can't do that. Until that day, it is idiotic not to borrow and grow the economy and country.

No, the private sector should not get that support from the government. In large part, because private companies are sitting on $2T in cash, and also, because they can borrow too!

Now, you're turn.

With high unemployment and low consumer demand, why do you want more people laid off and more salaries cut? Or not increased? How will this help the economy?

Also, with respect to teachers, again I ask, how does taking money from the school help increase competition? How does paying teachers less attract more into the field and increase competition?

Teacher Unions have failed the kids. And they've raped the Taxpayers for too many years. All Public Unions should be abolished. Their time has passed.

 

[Intense]

We spend a fortune on the public school system out of our tax dollars....
The kids are dumber coming out then when they went in for the most part.
And the answer is to spend more.....

Our Public School System is a real mess. And the greedy incompetent Teacher Unions are most responsible for it. It's all about them now. They stopped caring about the kids a long time ago. It's a real shame.

Agreed. The Unions are doing more harm than good. That is not true for all Teachers though.

 

[francoHFW]

This is the kind of schools we have in the worst parts of the banana republic Pubs have turned us into over the last 30 years. How people can vote for those myopic greedy morons is beyond me...Pub dupes...

 

[DontBeStupid]

we have borrowed, we are borrowing, that is not the answer, we are beyond that, you appear to be the same carbon copy Lib, just spend, borrow it beg it steal it tax , but just spend...and there is never ever a point at which we stop, or, you tell me what is that stopping point?

at what point if any would you say no no more borrowing at any rate....


do you believe that private sector jobs should receive the same federal or state sppt. as in salary subsidies? if not why not ? if yes, pleas say why.

insult don't be a hack, stop telling me what you think I am saying or what you want me to say or be seen saying, to fit your narrative, and answer/address what I AM saying.

Ok.

We can stop borrowing when unemployment has dropped to a normal range. Say, 5.7%. That's 2.5 percentage point drop. Also, when the private sector is adding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month. At that point, stop borrowing if you want. Cut people loose. The private sector will be able to accommodate them.

Also, if I can borrow at 1% and get a 4% return, I will do that every day and twice on Sunday. The Government can do that right now. Today. And twice on Sunday. We should stop borrowing when we can't do that. Until that day, it is idiotic not to borrow and grow the economy and country.

No, the private sector should not get that support from the government. In large part, because private companies are sitting on $2T in cash, and also, because they can borrow too!

Now, you're turn.

With high unemployment and low consumer demand, why do you want more people laid off and more salaries cut? Or not increased? How will this help the economy?

Also, with respect to teachers, again I ask, how does taking money from the school help increase competition? How does paying teachers less attract more into the field and increase competition?

Teacher Unions have failed the kids. And they've raped the Taxpayers for too many years. All Public Unions should be abolished. Their time has passed.

“Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.”

 

[freedombecki]

We spend a fortune on the public school system out of our tax dollars....
The kids are dumber coming out then when they went in for the most part.
And the answer is to spend more.....

Our Public School System is a real mess. And the greedy incompetent Teacher Unions are most responsible for it. It's all about them now. They stopped caring about the kids a long time ago. It's a real shame.

Agreed. The Unions are doing more harm than good. That is not true for all Teachers though.

You're 100% right, Intense. I learned a lesson from some patronizing teachers over the years; it's time to turn education back over to parents. Otherwise, plan on a lifetime of dealing with the demands of a Marxist in the form of your child who learns not only from teachers' lectures, they learn attitudes, too. Anti-family attitudes.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Our Public School System is a real mess. And the greedy incompetent Teacher Unions are most responsible for it. It's all about them now. They stopped caring about the kids a long time ago. It's a real shame.

Agreed. The Unions are doing more harm than good. That is not true for all Teachers though.

You're 100% right, Intense. I learned a lesson from some patronizing teachers over the years; it's time to turn education back over to parents. Otherwise, plan on a lifetime of dealing with the demands of a Marxist in the form of your child who learns not only from teachers' lectures, they learn attitudes, too. Anti-family attitudes.

Profound.