Chicago teacher's union wants a 30% pay raise

[francoHFW]

What parents are left in inner city Chicago? Voodoo! and thanks for the depression.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Anybody wanna defend this?
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" It takes a lot of nerve to ask for a 30 percent pay raise. You’d better be sure you had a banner year. Yet in Chicago, where just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading (and just 56 percent of students graduate), the teachers union is set to strike if the district does not agree to a 30 percent increase in teachers’ salaries.

The average teacher in Chicago Public Schools—a district facing a $700 million deficit—makes $71,000 per year before benefits are included. If the district meets union demands and rewards teachers with the requested salary increase, education employees will receive compensation north of $92,000 per year.

According to the Illinois Policy Institute, the average annual income of a family in Chicago is $47,000 per year. If implemented, the 30 percent raise will mean that in nine months, a single teacher in the Chicago Public School system will take home nearly double what the average family in the city earns in a year.

According to the union, 91 percent of its members voted for the ability to strike. That vote gives the union the ability to walk out of public school classrooms as children return to school this fall.

The union argues that Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) wants to extend the school day, and that the requested salary increase would compensate them for extending the school day from 5.5 hours—among the nation’s shortest school days—to 7.5 hours. Chicago Public Schools states that under the extended school day:

On average teachers will provide 5.5 hours of instruction (an increase of 54 minutes), receive a 45-minute duty-free lunch and 60-minute prep period and supervise the passing period. They will also be required to be on-site for 10 minutes before and after school.
While the union bemoans the longer school day and is demanding a hefty pay raise as a result, taxpayers will be left holding the bill for a 30 percent salary increase and wondering whether $92,000 is appropriate compensation for public school employees. "


Chicago Teachers Union Demands 30 Percent Pay Raise
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I don't live in or pay taxes in Illinois. So why should I care?

I'll just say its funny how the right whines about non-existent double digit inflation and then doesn't think it right to raise people's pay along with it.

That's because you're a simpleton. Why should EVERY teacher in Chicago get a raise? Why not have merit pay, you know pay the good ones, and get rid of the bad ones. I love how you want everyone to be at the same salary, with senority as the only factor. That's why unions suck, well one of the reasons.

 

[Staidhup]

Well, don't forget unions are your friend, they care for you, your children, work real hard, just let the competency test scores speak for it self. Then ask yourself, are you getting your monies worth?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Look I think their are some rules in school that suck for teachers. I honestly believe we need coporal punishment back in schools and have Joe SMith's like in "Lean on Me". Kick out troublemakers, dont let em spoil the kids that want to make something of themselves. But I still dont like unions and their wage scales, especially the part that does nothing for merit, just senority. I've seen union workers tell people to slow down or not work so hard. WTF????

 

[LoneLaugher]

Look I think their are some rules in school that suck for teachers. I honestly believe we need coporal punishment back in schools and have Joe SMith's like in "Lean on Me". Kick out troublemakers, dont let em spoil the kids that want to make something of themselves. But I still dont like unions and their wage scales, especially the part that does nothing for merit, just senority. I've seen union workers tell people to slow down or not work so hard. WTF????

Nutters often cite movies and film characters in their arguments about real issues.

They also like to use common stereotypes in creating fictitious events in their past that they try to pass off as reality.

 

[Claudette]

Oh my this is side splitting. Chicago and Detroit, both being murdered by unions.

Unrest feared in financially troubled Detroit - Washington Times

But with unions refusing more concessions, the city is staggering under more than $7 billion in legacy costs and underfunded pension liabilities. Debt eats up so much of the budget, the city is struggling to keep up with basic services - including keeping streetlights on.

These cities have to fail. The unions will get nothing once they do. They have reached the end of socialism and run out of other people's money.

I agree.

Detroit and Chicago are in tough shape and one would think the Unions would catch a fucking clue.

Guess not.

To bad big cities don't privitize everything but police, fire and EMS.

 

[candycorn]

Oh my this is side splitting. Chicago and Detroit, both being murdered by unions.

Unrest feared in financially troubled Detroit - Washington Times

But with unions refusing more concessions, the city is staggering under more than $7 billion in legacy costs and underfunded pension liabilities. Debt eats up so much of the budget, the city is struggling to keep up with basic services - including keeping streetlights on.

These cities have to fail. The unions will get nothing once they do. They have reached the end of socialism and run out of other people's money.

I agree.

Detroit and Chicago are in tough shape and one would think the Unions would catch a fucking clue.

Guess not.

To bad big cities don't privitize everything but police, fire and EMS.

You have a point. It would be refreshing to see a city start the process of, lets say in 20 years, of privatizing a great many things it does now. However there are some things that shouldn't be made private. One of them are the public libraries.

 

[Claudette]

Oh my this is side splitting. Chicago and Detroit, both being murdered by unions.

Unrest feared in financially troubled Detroit - Washington Times

But with unions refusing more concessions, the city is staggering under more than $7 billion in legacy costs and underfunded pension liabilities. Debt eats up so much of the budget, the city is struggling to keep up with basic services - including keeping streetlights on.

These cities have to fail. The unions will get nothing once they do. They have reached the end of socialism and run out of other people's money.

I agree.

Detroit and Chicago are in tough shape and one would think the Unions would catch a fucking clue.

Guess not.

To bad big cities don't privitize everything but police, fire and EMS.

You have a point. It would be refreshing to see a city start the process of, lets say in 20 years, of privatizing a great many things it does now. However there are some things that shouldn't be made private. One of them are the public libraries.

I agree. I spend loads of time at my local library.

Just keep the libraries and privatize everything else. LOL

 

[California Girl]

More right wing fuzzy math...city has the teaches working more hours with out any cost of living raise or extra pay. More hours should get more pay.

The right wing thinks teachers should work for free until their students parents decide to become involved in their education.

Do you ever tire of playing the fool?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Devil's advocate hat on: how is it in America today that the focus on being overpaid (?) is directed only at working Americans? How about congress? They've done nothing for at least two years now? Why not criticize them? How about the wealthy who only paid 15% tax, while those teachers pay at least 30%?

When are you going to stop using this bullshit claim?

There is not one employee that pays a minimum 30% of their wages in taxes. Not one.

In fact according to the 2011 IRS tax tables a single person with a taxable income of 90K (that's taxable income not gross income) pays about 21% in taxes.

Now we know that gross income is always greater than taxable income so the percentage of gross income paid in taxes is even lower.

If you're going to use tax figures in your argument at least use correct ones.

 

[RDD_1210]

They would have to pay me much more than that to work

That explains why you refuse to find a job.

 

[RDD_1210]

More right wing fuzzy math...city has the teaches working more hours with out any cost of living raise or extra pay. More hours should get more pay.

The right wing thinks teachers should work for free until their students parents decide to become involved in their education.

Do you ever tire of playing the fool?

Do you ever get tired of leading a vapid existence?

 

[Intense]

Look I think their are some rules in school that suck for teachers. I honestly believe we need coporal punishment back in schools and have Joe SMith's like in "Lean on Me". Kick out troublemakers, dont let em spoil the kids that want to make something of themselves. But I still dont like unions and their wage scales, especially the part that does nothing for merit, just senority. I've seen union workers tell people to slow down or not work so hard. WTF????

Nutters often cite movies and film characters in their arguments about real issues.

They also like to use common stereotypes in creating fictitious events in their past that they try to pass off as reality.

Put down that Newspaper. Take a deep breath. Think for yourself.

 

[Intense]

More right wing fuzzy math...city has the teaches working more hours with out any cost of living raise or extra pay. More hours should get more pay.

The right wing thinks teachers should work for free until their students parents decide to become involved in their education.

What was that incoherent statement based on, Poo-Poo?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

House GOP Would Kick 280,000 Children Off School Lunch Program

Free and reduced lunch Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer Don't feed the poor. They'll 'breed.'.flv - YouTube

The kids losing their school lunches are the very same kids the right wing does not want to receive an education at all. Its drives the price of labor up when the population is well educated. When there exists an uneducated class, then there is a vast pool from which to draw cheap wage slaves. The right wing loves cheap labor. After all, if the Job Creators have to pay more for labor, 1) they will not be able to provide as many jobs and/or 2) they pass the cost down to you. No self respecting "fiscal conservative" would dispute my previous sentence.

 

[Intense]

House GOP Would Kick 280,000 Children Off School Lunch Program

Free and reduced lunch Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer Don't feed the poor. They'll 'breed.'.flv - YouTube

The kids losing their school lunches are the very same kids the right wing does not want to receive an education at all. Its drives the price of labor up when the population is well educated. When there exists an uneducated class, then there is a vast pool from which to draw cheap wage slaves.

Yep, keep those Borders open, so you can get cheap domestic labor and have a pretty yard for pennies on the dollar. I bet you are a real big tipper too. Lets fire all of the worker Bee's so we can protect the jobs of the Administrators. Ahhhh, Utopia.

 

[tjvh]

More right wing fuzzy math...city has the teaches working more hours with out any cost of living raise or extra pay. More hours should get more pay.

Factor in the time off they get in the Summer, and whoa... You were saying.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

house gop would kick 280,000 children off school lunch program

free and reduced lunch lt. Gov. Andre bauer don't feed the poor. They'll 'breed.'.flv - youtube

those millionaires need those kids' school lunches! They are the job creators ones that will provide those kids slave wage jobs in a few years!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Them wanting a raise? Sure, I'll defend that. I want a raise too. Chances are all who are reading this would like one as well.

I doubt they'll get it and are strongly overplaying their hand. But wanting it and doing things within the law to get it? Sure. No problem with that.

So you're having to work 37% longer hours for no extra pay? Wow that's rough. Bet your boss is really glad you'll put up with that shit, though.

???

They are being expect to work 36% longer hours ( I was off by one) (7.5/5.5=1.36) They are demanding a 30% pay raise. Seems like that's a deal.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

We spend a fortune on the public school system out of our tax dollars....
The kids are dumber coming out then when they went in for the most part.
And the answer is to spend more.....

We got no-necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And college men from LSU
Went in dumb - come out dumb too
Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
Keepin' the ******* down

Randy Newman "Rednecks"

GEAUX TIGERS!