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I agree. I also think people should have a natural curiosity about what this thread would look like if it had not been censored. Do we want to know the truth, or do we want the censored version of it? Were you aware that this very thread, ironically, has been censored?As long as we respect the rights of business owners, of anyone, to edit their websites as they please, I think complaining about censorship is valid and, generally, a good thing...
Nobody loves and agrees with site rules more than me. I have no problem with those. My conflict is with seeing them used to justify politically motivated censorship.
I agree. I also think people should have a natural curiosity about what this thread would look like if it had not been censored. Do we want to know the truth, or do we want the censored version of it? Were you aware that this very thread, ironically, has been censored?
| Moderator | Action | Date | |
|---|---|---|---|
| flacaltenn | Post removed from public view (reason: deleting illegal post) | Yesterday at 3:30 PM | View |
| flacaltenn | Post removed from public view (reason: no call outs in Zone 1) | Yesterday at 3:12 PM | View |
Chief sitting bullshit artist!
I certainly don't know who the site owner is, and I don't know if he has any idea what goes on here.
As per the usmb site rules:
All members and staff have the right to their own ideas, beliefs and faiths. Members have the RIGHT to constructively express these on USMessageBoard.com with equal respect and consideration.
Part 1, the act of censorship:Oh hell no. That's a major cop-out -- When we cant delete a post because its FLAME ONLY and no topical content without being called CENSORS????
Subjective censorship, all of it. Citing site rules for subjective censorship is conflating rules with censorship.Your problem is not understanding that 80% of post deletions are for either
--------- Being entirely flame and not honoring the topic at ALL OR
--------- Being the beginning or continuation of derailing a thread and WAAAY off topic.
The other 30% are for "call-outs" by name outside the TAUNTING forum -- OR
Use of the 3 types of banned FLAME being "family. bestiality or pedophilia -- OR
Any of the OTHER "site-wide" rules.
Bullshit.NO POST is ever deleted simply for "partisan bias". No wiggle room in the USMB patented "Simple Ass Rules" for ANY moderator to do that.
More bullshit. "Option" is the corrupt euphemism here. The safe zone that "protects" the racism forum eliminates the option for normal uncensored political discussion. There are not two racism subforums with one being an option. There is only one, and it is absolutely poisoned with anti white racism and local usmb politics.YOU have an issue with "civil discussion" zones being offered as an option.
YOU have an issue with not being able to swings at people without referencing the SPECIFIC topic of the thread.
YOU have an issue with not allowing ANY member to be called a pedophile.
I am the site's biggest fan of a good set of rules, which is why I don't break them. My favorite rule is this one:Your ISSUES are with the RULES -- not the moderation.
The "constructive" part is what gets exploited by censors. This exploitation is what destroys the free expression. Censorship is the exact opposite of free expression.AND --- ????? What do you expect from a site that EXISTS to host free expression? What do you think "the right to constructively express" entails? Is it the CONSTRUCTIVELY part that ails you cry baby? What's the opposite of "constructively"?????
Did U also just gloss over the part about "with equal respect and consideration"??? That's how free expression SHOULD roll. Not with flaming troll wars and wrecking every unique topic into the same horseshit partisan hypocrisy auction and name-calling.
Not sure who posted that chief sitting bull, but it doesn't look like it NEEDS to be deleted. It looks like somebody's idea that made sense at that time. This is a political site, so it is absolutely LOADED with this typical type of post. If it had not been censored, life would go on and the post would fade away into history. I'm pretty sure I was censored on this thread too.EvMetro -- dont bother PM'ing me. I'll give you the ENTIRE DELETED post that was item one in the moderation log for this thread. HERE IT IS - PLEASE POINT TO THE PARTISAN POLITICAL BIAS in the content.
What does zone 1 have to do with this thread?You want to tangle with the FACTS -- let's roll. You're entirely FULL of 2 things -- the most irritating one is DRAMA. Here's the moderation log for THIS THREAD.
Censorship as a weapon - Moderator actions
Moderator Action Date flacaltenn Post removed from public view (reason: deleting illegal post) Yesterday at 3:30 PM View flacaltenn Post removed from public view (reason: no call outs in Zone 1) Yesterday at 3:12 PM View
If ya want to see the posts -- PM me. But dont bother with the 2nd one because Call-outs and alert pages from Zone 1 threads are NOT allowed.
I can't imagine why we would want to protect pedophiles from being labeled in public. The lefty pedo problem is a big thing in the current political landscape, so protecting pedophiles from being publicly identified is partisan protection. We should be shining a huge spotlight into this dark place, not protecting pedophiles.So much drama and spare time. Maybe you need a job somewhere protecting free expression and see what hell happens when people cant even allow a site to keep people from calling each other pedophiles or attacking their families. Or to WRECK topics on the 1st page before any discussion is possible.
Part 1, the act of censorship:
Deleting posts is textbook censorship. Once you've deleted a post, you've censored something, which means you are now a censor. Yo
The "constructive" part is what gets exploited by censors. This exploitation is what destroys the free expression. Censorship is the exact opposite of free expression.
The "constructive" part is what gets exploited by censors. This exploitation is what destroys the free expression. Censorship is the exact opposite of free expression.
Not sure who posted that chief sitting bull, but it doesn't look like it NEEDS to be deleted. It looks like somebody's idea that made sense at that time. This is a political site, so it is absolutely LOADED with this typical type of post. If it had not been censored, life would go on and the post would fade away into history. I'm pretty sure I was censored on this thread too.
What does zone 1 have to do with this thread?
I can't imagine why we would want to protect pedophiles from being labeled in public. The lefty pedo problem is a big thing in the current political landscape, so protecting pedophiles from being publicly identified is partisan protection. We should be shining a huge spotlight into this dark place, not protecting pedophiles.
You're hedging all over the place. You say you like rules. Ours are clearly spelled out.
"Manate that we can" is a ridiculous oxymoron. Nobody is mandated to enforce rules, but this thread is not about enforcing rules anyway. This thread is about exploiting the rules to justify political, unnecessary, or revenge censorship. The exploitation of the rules are what you don't want to talk about.But you refuse to discuss the simple rules that mandate what we CAN delete.
Certainly people on BOTH SIDES of your silly partisan tribal wars would be SCREAMING if we didn't control the flaming and the thread hijackings. Because even tribal warriors want their topics to be discussed and "troll-free". And you continue to make an asinine equality between DELETING ANY POST and censorship,
Until you can verbalize the ISSUES with the rules concerning post deletions -- all ya got is soap box and super-hero outfit pretending YOU are defender of free speech.
YOU CLAIMED this thread was heavily censored and members needed to wonder what it would be like if it wasn't. Which of TWO mod actions I showed you for this thread is "censorship" in your strange mind? There's been no censorship in this thread.
This thread is not about the rules, it is about censorship, and the exploitation of the rules to justify it.Not going thru the brambles on generalizations and painfully repetitive rhetoric until we CHAT about what conditions JUSTIFY post deletion on a message board and WHAT THE RULES SHOULD BE.
"Manate that we can" is a ridiculous oxymoron. Nobody is mandated to enforce rules, but this thread is not about enforcing rules anyway. This thread is about exploiting the rules to justify political, unnecessary, or revenge censorship. The exploitation of the rules are what you don't want to talk about.
Cute, but the harder you fight differentiating exploiting the rules from enforcing the rules, the weaker your debate looks.Oh -- you love rules but you're against ENFORCING them uniformly and consistently. Got it !!!!!
Very difficult indeed when the mods are shielded from discussing specific actions. I can make the case though.You'll have a very hard time proving the bias claim. Most all moderators get beat up weekly by the Left and the Right.
FallacyMost of us get accused of being aligned with BOTH SIDES within the same week: A sign that we're doing this without bias.
Fallacy. You are not differentiating enforcing rules from engaging in politically motivated censorship.And that's the ONLY outcome of rules that DO NOT GIVE USMB moderators the DISCRETION of adding their political bias when they are acting as mods.
Sounds like some euphemism and a whole lot of power. No wonder it gets exploited.It's IMPOSSIBLE to HAVE a rogue moderator go undetected and we have unfortunately had to cut ties with a couple that DID lose some cred on that bad habit or other bad habits. EVERY mod action -- going back to the BEGINNING of USMB is reviewable today. We can see EVERY deletion, EVERY thread move, EVERY closure and move and thread ban. We can review ANY warning that's ever been issued. And often -- maybe 10 to 15% of the time -- mod staff review overturns a marginal decision on an action.
We can even see the edit history of EVERY post. SO -- when bias is ALLEGED, it's a simple matter of retrieving the facts and evidence. And THAT'S WHY -- there's a rule against posting discussion of SPECIFIC moderator actions in PUBLIC. Because we want to protect the privacy and NOT EMBARASS any member who asserts that there was "bias" in that action, by showing the AUDIENCE exactly what they posted or under what Zone rules it was posted or whether there was a ban or other penalty attached or whether they IGNORED one of those red mod messages that YOU THINK is tyrannical. It's not a review that SHOULD give the whole membership gawking privileges.
The problem with refusing to acknowledge that there is a difference between exploiting the rules and enforcing them is that you are either too ignorant to know that there is a distinct difference, or you are evading the truth in hope that it goes away.There is no bias in identifying and removing flame only posts.
There is no bias in identifying and removing posts that do not have "topic specific content".
There is no bias in stopping jerks from hijacking thread topics.
There is no bias in keeping threads organized in the proper forum.
There is no bias in asking that thread topics/titles get started cleanly and without inflammatory, profane language or "pet names".
THAT -- is how the rules are limited by design. With NO power to MAKE political interpretations or insert personal bias.
And WHY FOLKS flock here after being exposed to the capricious and arbitrary moderation at OTHER messages boards.
Algorithms can be just as corrupt as those who write them.In a few years -- you'll be dealing with our AI replacements and wont even GET discussions on bias and censorship with a staff.
