Canadian health care is not as "universal" as liberals claim

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Liberals are always talking about great Canada's "universal" health care is.

Meanwhile, in the real world, these news articles shows that it is not as "universal" as liberals claim.

Just because someone has "coverage" does not mean that they actually get treatment.



Canada’s Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters

The Cambie Surgery Center, Canada’s most prominent private hospital, may be considered a rogue enterprise.

Accepting money from patients for operations they would otherwise receive free of charge in a public hospital is technically prohibited in this country, even in cases where patients would wait months or even years before receiving treatment.

Dr. Day, 59, says. “This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years.”

Canada remains the only industrialized country that outlaws privately financed purchases of core medical services.

Canada has a national doctor shortage already, with 1.4 million people in the province of Ontario alone without the services of a family doctor.

The median wait time between a referral by a family doctor and an appointment with a specialist has increased to 8.3 weeks… Meanwhile the median wait between an appointment with a specialist and treatment has increased to 9.4 weeks

Average wait times between referral by a family doctor and treatment range from 5.5 weeks for oncology to 40 weeks for orthopedic surgery


Wait times for knee- and hip-replacement surgery at Southwestern Ontario hospitals are among the longest in the province

People who go under the knife to get their knees replaced in Strathroy have waited an average of 671 days for surgery

Stratford is running the second-highest wait in the province for those needing a hip replacement: the average wait there was 364 days.

In London, the region’s largest medical centre, patients waited an average of 307 days to replace a knee and 299 days to replace a hip

Londoner Judy Congdon waited more than a year to have her right knee replaced when her Strathroy surgeon told her he’d have to replace her left hip next. Told last year to expect surgery in September 2017, her date in the operating room was cancelled, and the surgery delayed a second year


Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S.

SEATTLE – A problem in Canada’s hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.

Carri Ash of Chilliwack, B.C. was sent to the U.S. to have her baby after her water broke on Sunday, ten weeks ahead of schedule.

“And they came in and said ‘you’re going to Seattle,'” she said.

Ash’s hospital couldn’t handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn’t have a neo-natal bed.

“So two provinces didn’t have enough room, so I have to go to another country,” said Ash.

Ash was sent to Swedish Medical Center where, nurses told KOMO 4 News, five Canadian women have come to have their babies in the past six weeks. Some were even airlifted at up to $5,000 per flight.

And a woman from Calgary, one of the wealthiest cities in Canada, had to travel to Montana to give birth to her identical quadruplets.

“We always regret when we have to transfer a baby or mother to another jurisdiction for care,” said Canada’s Health Minister George Abbott.

Aidan Nassey was born premature in Canada and developed breathing problems before his mother could even hold him.

“It was terrifying. And he was taken away and that was it,” said Courtney Nassey, his mother.

There wasn’t a hospital in western Canada that could take in Aidan, and a helicopter had to rush them to Seattle.

Vicki Irvine crossed the border to see her daughter, Carri Ash, give birth.

“You can’t even have a baby near home. It’s horrible,” she said.

Irvine and Ash are questioning Canada’s priorities when it comes to health care spending.

“I think it’s ridiculous that we can have the Olympics but not enough beds so I can have a baby,” said Ash.

The family says there is one benefit to their neo-natal nightmare — the newborn will have dual citizenship and, so far, they like what they see on this side of the border.


More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here.

Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care.


when Robert Bouressa, the Premier of Quebec, had to have his potentially lethal skin cancer treated, he quickly beat a path to the United States and paid for treatment at the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Maryland.


Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.


Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams will be sidelined from three to 12 weeks because of heart surgery he'll undergo at an undisclosed location in the United States, acting premier Kathy Dunderdale says.

From the video below:

19:41 A Toronto man who had a hearth attack waits and waits in an emergency room because there are not enough ICU beds to give him the treatment that he needs.

20:15 A young Canadian girl who has seizures does not have a regular pediatrician, and cannot get a bed at a hospital.

20:23 “More than a million Canadians say they can’t find a regular family doctor. Some towns, like this one, hold a lottery. Once a week, the town clerk gets this box out of the closet. Inside are the names of everyone in town who wants a family doctor. She pulls out one slip, and then calls the lucky winner.”

The narrator then goes on to explain that in order to avoid such long waiting times, some patients have gone to private clinics where they spend their own money on health care, which is illegal in Canada. Even though it’s illegal, it’s actually quite common.

21:36 A businessman makes money by helping Canadians travel to the U.S. to get the health care that they can’t get in Canada. One such example was a woman who had a blocked artery that prevented her from being able to digest her food. She was starving to death. She’d lost 50 pounds. Then she hired the businessman to help her, and she traveled to Washington state and got the health care that she needed. The American doctor said that she would have died within a few weeks if she hadn’t gotten treatment. However, the Canadian government considered her care to be “elective.”

22:11 the narrator shows that at veterinary clinics in Canada, which are privately run and privately funded, animals can get medical treatment immediately, without having to wait. All of the latest high tech equipment is available and ready.

 

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A single mother of two working tables in a restaurant shouldn't have to choose between the electric bill and seeing about the lump she has noticed in her breast.
 

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A single mother of two working tables in a restaurant shouldn't have to choose between the electric bill and seeing about the lump she has noticed in her breast.
A single mother of two who dies because she can't see a doctor in a year isn't really helping anything either.
 

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For seven years I lived in a city near the Canadian border.

The waiting rooms in the doctor's office always had Cananadians that had come down to get medical care. They would rather pay for our care than to get whatever their government gave them for free.

Socialized medicine sucks.
 

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Canadian Medicare is flawed, but in the last poll taken on the subject, 86% of Canadians approved of their healthcare system.


You certainly can't say that about America.

Well, the biggest mob is in favor of it, so it must be legit!
 

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And if the Dem politicians do impose socialized medicine on us ordinary people, you can be sure that they and their families will be going to private practitioners and hospitals.

No mixing with (the) hoi polloi for them!

(Can you imagine the Speaker of the House trusting her facial enhancements to a government-paid health worker?)
 

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Economics & human nature doom any socialized system to ultimate failure. Nothing is free, it has to be paid for in one way or another. In the case of medicine, it is paid for by lower wages for medical workers, higher taxes on the populace & inferior care in the form of longer waits & less choices.
This is why it has always been inferior to the free market system. Capitalism has been shown to consistently increase the standards of living across the board while socialism generally brings about stagnation or regression.
 

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Canadian Medicare is flawed, but in the last poll taken on the subject, 86% of Canadians approved of their healthcare system.


You certainly can't say that about America.

Thats nice... All the time everyone was saying that US and Canada aren't alike when it comes to healthcare...

It looks like they want the same things at the end of the day... Canada just seems to be far more successful at achieving this... The stories above are anecdotal and could be solved if Canada more than 11.6% of GDP on Healthcare. US healthcare spend is 18% of GDP(2017) rising 4.6% a year..

Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan... They have criticised others but have none themselves, this is 9 years after Obamacare has been implemented. They have no country who is implementing a plan they like to model on... Biden's public option is common place around the world and Germany has a similar one which is offering more efficient and better treatment.
 

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Canadian Medicare is flawed, but in the last poll taken on the subject, 86% of Canadians approved of their healthcare system.


You certainly can't say that about America.

Thats nice... All the time everyone was saying that US and Canada aren't alike when it comes to healthcare...

It looks like they want the same things at the end of the day... Canada just seems to be far more successful at achieving this... The stories above are anecdotal and could be solved if Canada more than 11.6% of GDP on Healthcare. US healthcare spend is 18% of GDP(2017) rising 4.6% a year..

Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan... They have criticised others but have none themselves, this is 9 years after Obamacare has been implemented. They have no country who is implementing a plan they like to model on... Biden's public option is common place around the world and Germany has a similar one which is offering more efficient and better treatment.
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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
Yeah asshole, next time you need open heart surgery or go on chemo, just reach into your pocket and pull out a hundred grand or so.
 

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Canada's RATIONED healthcare is substandard. It's only free if you don't die first before receiving treatment, otherwise it cost you your life.
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
Yeah asshole, next time you need open heart surgery or go on chemo, just reach into your pocket and pull out a hundred grand or so.

I can pay my own health care bills, thank you very much. I don't need or want your fucking money.

However greedy little Moon Bats like you that are too sorry to provide for your own think you are entitled to have me pay your bills simply because you are alive.
 

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I can pay my own health care bills, thank you very much.
Of course you can, until you can't.

Asshole!

Stop being a greedy little Moon Bat shithead. It just makes you look like a fool.

A few years ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I am a veteran. I could have gone to the VA and got the treatment for free.

I didn't do that. The last thing I wanted to do was put something as important as my healthcare in the hands of a bureaucrat that didn't give a shit about me.

I didn't want to deal with the typical slow government schedule or bureaucratic bullshit.

I paid for my own treatment. I had three private clinics that were vying for my business and I got quick and effective treatment. If I had put my health care in the hands of the government I would probably still be waiting.

I take responsibility for my own well being. I pay my own bills. You greedy asshole Moon Bats think you are entitled to have somebody else pay you bills simply because you are alive. Shame on you!

Get off you fat diabetes ass and pay your own damn bills you worthless little shit.
 

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Canadian Medicare is flawed, but in the last poll taken on the subject, 86% of Canadians approved of their healthcare system.


You certainly can't say that about America.

Thats nice... All the time everyone was saying that US and Canada aren't alike when it comes to healthcare...

It looks like they want the same things at the end of the day... Canada just seems to be far more successful at achieving this... The stories above are anecdotal and could be solved if Canada more than 11.6% of GDP on Healthcare. US healthcare spend is 18% of GDP(2017) rising 4.6% a year..

Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan... They have criticised others but have none themselves, this is 9 years after Obamacare has been implemented. They have no country who is implementing a plan they like to model on... Biden's public option is common place around the world and Germany has a similar one which is offering more efficient and better treatment.
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The we have no plan but we are right and everyone else is wrong argument..

Why doesn't Trump just say that... He can use how his COVID plan went as an example...
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
So this is I have mine and you may fucking die... Fuck the rest of America plan...

Should run on this... Call it the 'Logan's Run' Plan....

Jesus said you got to get rich to live....
 

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Canada's RATIONED healthcare is substandard. It's only free if you don't die first before receiving treatment, otherwise it cost you your life.
So you live in Canada then?

Canada has higher health metrics than the US... So "rationed" means all people get healthcare even by you own admission, GOP plan is like Holocaust Healthcare, if you ain't rich you die...
 

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