Canadian health care is not as "universal" as liberals claim

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Liberals are always talking about great Canada's "universal" health care is.

Meanwhile, in the real world, these news articles shows that it is not as "universal" as liberals claim.

Just because someone has "coverage" does not mean that they actually get treatment.



Canada’s Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters

The Cambie Surgery Center, Canada’s most prominent private hospital, may be considered a rogue enterprise.

Accepting money from patients for operations they would otherwise receive free of charge in a public hospital is technically prohibited in this country, even in cases where patients would wait months or even years before receiving treatment.

Dr. Day, 59, says. “This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years.”

Canada remains the only industrialized country that outlaws privately financed purchases of core medical services.

Canada has a national doctor shortage already, with 1.4 million people in the province of Ontario alone without the services of a family doctor.

The median wait time between a referral by a family doctor and an appointment with a specialist has increased to 8.3 weeks… Meanwhile the median wait between an appointment with a specialist and treatment has increased to 9.4 weeks

Average wait times between referral by a family doctor and treatment range from 5.5 weeks for oncology to 40 weeks for orthopedic surgery


Wait times for knee- and hip-replacement surgery at Southwestern Ontario hospitals are among the longest in the province

People who go under the knife to get their knees replaced in Strathroy have waited an average of 671 days for surgery

Stratford is running the second-highest wait in the province for those needing a hip replacement: the average wait there was 364 days.

In London, the region’s largest medical centre, patients waited an average of 307 days to replace a knee and 299 days to replace a hip

Londoner Judy Congdon waited more than a year to have her right knee replaced when her Strathroy surgeon told her he’d have to replace her left hip next. Told last year to expect surgery in September 2017, her date in the operating room was cancelled, and the surgery delayed a second year


Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S.

SEATTLE – A problem in Canada’s hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.

Carri Ash of Chilliwack, B.C. was sent to the U.S. to have her baby after her water broke on Sunday, ten weeks ahead of schedule.

“And they came in and said ‘you’re going to Seattle,'” she said.

Ash’s hospital couldn’t handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn’t have a neo-natal bed.

“So two provinces didn’t have enough room, so I have to go to another country,” said Ash.

Ash was sent to Swedish Medical Center where, nurses told KOMO 4 News, five Canadian women have come to have their babies in the past six weeks. Some were even airlifted at up to $5,000 per flight.

And a woman from Calgary, one of the wealthiest cities in Canada, had to travel to Montana to give birth to her identical quadruplets.

“We always regret when we have to transfer a baby or mother to another jurisdiction for care,” said Canada’s Health Minister George Abbott.

Aidan Nassey was born premature in Canada and developed breathing problems before his mother could even hold him.

“It was terrifying. And he was taken away and that was it,” said Courtney Nassey, his mother.

There wasn’t a hospital in western Canada that could take in Aidan, and a helicopter had to rush them to Seattle.

Vicki Irvine crossed the border to see her daughter, Carri Ash, give birth.

“You can’t even have a baby near home. It’s horrible,” she said.

Irvine and Ash are questioning Canada’s priorities when it comes to health care spending.

“I think it’s ridiculous that we can have the Olympics but not enough beds so I can have a baby,” said Ash.

The family says there is one benefit to their neo-natal nightmare — the newborn will have dual citizenship and, so far, they like what they see on this side of the border.


More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here.

Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care.


when Robert Bouressa, the Premier of Quebec, had to have his potentially lethal skin cancer treated, he quickly beat a path to the United States and paid for treatment at the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Maryland.


Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.


Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams will be sidelined from three to 12 weeks because of heart surgery he'll undergo at an undisclosed location in the United States, acting premier Kathy Dunderdale says.

From the video below:

19:41 A Toronto man who had a hearth attack waits and waits in an emergency room because there are not enough ICU beds to give him the treatment that he needs.

20:15 A young Canadian girl who has seizures does not have a regular pediatrician, and cannot get a bed at a hospital.

20:23 “More than a million Canadians say they can’t find a regular family doctor. Some towns, like this one, hold a lottery. Once a week, the town clerk gets this box out of the closet. Inside are the names of everyone in town who wants a family doctor. She pulls out one slip, and then calls the lucky winner.”

The narrator then goes on to explain that in order to avoid such long waiting times, some patients have gone to private clinics where they spend their own money on health care, which is illegal in Canada. Even though it’s illegal, it’s actually quite common.

21:36 A businessman makes money by helping Canadians travel to the U.S. to get the health care that they can’t get in Canada. One such example was a woman who had a blocked artery that prevented her from being able to digest her food. She was starving to death. She’d lost 50 pounds. Then she hired the businessman to help her, and she traveled to Washington state and got the health care that she needed. The American doctor said that she would have died within a few weeks if she hadn’t gotten treatment. However, the Canadian government considered her care to be “elective.”

22:11 the narrator shows that at veterinary clinics in Canada, which are privately run and privately funded, animals can get medical treatment immediately, without having to wait. All of the latest high tech equipment is available and ready.

2006? Did you just wake up from a long slumber? :lmao:
 

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I can pay my own health care bills, thank you very much.
Of course you can, until you can't.

Asshole!

Stop being a greedy little Moon Bat shithead. It just makes you look like a fool.

A few years ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I am a veteran. I could have gone to the VA and got the treatment for free.

I didn't do that. The last thing I wanted to do was put something as important as my healthcare in the hands of a bureaucrat that didn't give a shit about me.

I didn't want to deal with the typical slow government schedule or bureaucratic bullshit.

I paid for my own treatment. I had three private clinics that were vying for my business and I got quick and effective treatment. If I had put my health care in the hands of the government I would probably still be waiting.

I take responsibility for my own well being. I pay my own bills. You greedy asshole Moon Bats think you are entitled to have somebody else pay you bills simply because you are alive. Shame on you!

Get off you fat diabetes ass and pay your own damn bills you worthless little shit.
Well cancer treatment did nothing for your personality...

But you had a choice, Government or Private, you had the means to choose... Thanks for supporting Biden's public option...
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
So this is I have mine and you may fucking die... Fuck the rest of America plan...

Should run on this... Call it the 'Logan's Run' Plan....

Jesus said you got to get rich to live....

It is not my responsibility to pay your fucking bills. It is your responsibility.

If you want to live then earn your living.
 

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Canada's RATIONED healthcare is substandard. It's only free if you don't die first before receiving treatment, otherwise it cost you your life.
So you live in Canada then?

Canada has higher health metrics than the US... So "rationed" means all people get healthcare even by you own admission, GOP plan is like Holocaust Healthcare, if you ain't rich you die...
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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
So this is I have mine and you may fucking die... Fuck the rest of America plan...

Should run on this... Call it the 'Logan's Run' Plan....

Jesus said you got to get rich to live....

It is not my responsibility to pay your fucking bills. It is your responsibility.

If you want to live then earn your living.
Thats OK...

Welcome to America where poor can fucking die....

No Problem... So the Purge is more of a Comedy for you... The weak must be eliminated from the herd...
 

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Canada's RATIONED healthcare is substandard. It's only free if you don't die first before receiving treatment, otherwise it cost you your life.
So you live in Canada then?

Canada has higher health metrics than the US... So "rationed" means all people get healthcare even by you own admission, GOP plan is like Holocaust Healthcare, if you ain't rich you die...
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It is about Healthcare Plans, I don't think you could understand... Better leave it to grown ups...
 

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Do you think for one moment, that any senator or representative would give up their paid for health care?
 

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Canada's RATIONED healthcare is substandard. It's only free if you don't die first before receiving treatment, otherwise it cost you your life.
So you live in Canada then?

Canada has higher health metrics than the US... So "rationed" means all people get healthcare even by you own admission, GOP plan is like Holocaust Healthcare, if you ain't rich you die...
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It is about Healthcare Plans, I don't think you could understand... Better leave it to grown ups...
Shove it up your ass, punk.
 

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So...in which country, the US or Canada - do more people have coverage and affordable healthcare....?
 

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Canada is ranked 9th out out of 11 developed countries for healthcare...not good.






The US is ranked 11th out of 11th. That's pretty bad.



And you guys bitch about Canada?
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
So this is I have mine and you may fucking die... Fuck the rest of America plan...

Should run on this... Call it the 'Logan's Run' Plan....

Jesus said you got to get rich to live....

It is not my responsibility to pay your fucking bills. It is your responsibility.

If you want to live then earn your living.
Thats OK...

Welcome to America where poor can fucking die....

No Problem... So the Purge is more of a Comedy for you... The weak must be eliminated from the herd...

You pay your bills and I'll pay mine. Doesn't that sound fair Moon Bat?

If you are too sorry to take care of yourself then that is your problem, not mine.

I may chose to help you because I am a generous guy but I sure as hell don't want the filthy ass oppressive government stealing my money and giving it to sorry ass fuckers like yourself. Pay for your own damn healthcare. Stop being a fucking leech. You ain't entitled to to my money simply because you are alive.
 

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Canada's RATIONED healthcare is substandard. It's only free if you don't die first before receiving treatment, otherwise it cost you your life.
So you live in Canada then?

Canada has higher health metrics than the US... So "rationed" means all people get healthcare even by you own admission, GOP plan is like Holocaust Healthcare, if you ain't rich you die...
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It is about Healthcare Plans, I don't think you could understand... Better leave it to grown ups...
Shove it up your ass, punk.
Very Grown up response.... Do you struggle to discuss things that are complex?
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
So this is I have mine and you may fucking die... Fuck the rest of America plan...

Should run on this... Call it the 'Logan's Run' Plan....

Jesus said you got to get rich to live....

It is not my responsibility to pay your fucking bills. It is your responsibility.

If you want to live then earn your living.
Thats OK...

Welcome to America where poor can fucking die....

No Problem... So the Purge is more of a Comedy for you... The weak must be eliminated from the herd...

You pay your bills and I'll pay mine. Doesn't that sound fair Moon Bat?

If you are too sorry to take care of yourself then that is your problem, not mine.

I may chose to help you because I am a generous guy but I sure as hell don't want the filthy ass oppressive government stealing my money and giving it to sorry ass fuckers like yourself. Pay for your own damn healthcare. Stop being a fucking leech. You ain't entitled to to my money simply because you are alive.
Well it is leeches like you that use roads more than others... Do you pay more for those roads...

So you want a private police force just to protect your house and no others...

We get it, you don't want to be part of a society, you don't want to pay for it...

By the way that cancer treatment you got was based on public research payed by tax payers... That makes you a freeloader...
 

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Lets be clear GOP have no Healthcare plan...
Lets be more clear Moon Bat.

We don't need or what a Liberal health care plan.

How about you paying your health care bills and I will pay mine and we leave the fucking government out of it?

Sound good or are you one of the greedy little Libtard assholes that think your are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive?
So this is I have mine and you may fucking die... Fuck the rest of America plan...

Should run on this... Call it the 'Logan's Run' Plan....

Jesus said you got to get rich to live....

It is not my responsibility to pay your fucking bills. It is your responsibility.

If you want to live then earn your living.
Thats OK...

Welcome to America where poor can fucking die....

No Problem... So the Purge is more of a Comedy for you... The weak must be eliminated from the herd...

You pay your bills and I'll pay mine. Doesn't that sound fair Moon Bat?

If you are too sorry to take care of yourself then that is your problem, not mine.

I may chose to help you because I am a generous guy but I sure as hell don't want the filthy ass oppressive government stealing my money and giving it to sorry ass fuckers like yourself. Pay for your own damn healthcare. Stop being a fucking leech. You ain't entitled to to my money simply because you are alive.
Well it is leeches like you that use roads more than others... Do you pay more for those roads...

So you want a private police force just to protect your house and no others...

We get it, you don't want to be part of a society, you don't want to pay for it...

By the way that cancer treatment you got was based on public research payed by tax payers... That makes you a freeloader...

I am a producer and get taxed all to hell to pay for you filthy ass welfare queens, too sorry to pay your own bills.
 

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A single mother of two working tables in a restaurant shouldn't have to choose between the electric bill and seeing about the lump she has noticed in her breast.
Why would it be anyone else's choice?
 

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Liberals are always talking about great Canada's "universal" health care is.

Meanwhile, in the real world, these news articles shows that it is not as "universal" as liberals claim.

Just because someone has "coverage" does not mean that they actually get treatment.



Canada’s Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters

The Cambie Surgery Center, Canada’s most prominent private hospital, may be considered a rogue enterprise.

Accepting money from patients for operations they would otherwise receive free of charge in a public hospital is technically prohibited in this country, even in cases where patients would wait months or even years before receiving treatment.

Dr. Day, 59, says. “This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years.”

Canada remains the only industrialized country that outlaws privately financed purchases of core medical services.

Canada has a national doctor shortage already, with 1.4 million people in the province of Ontario alone without the services of a family doctor.

The median wait time between a referral by a family doctor and an appointment with a specialist has increased to 8.3 weeks… Meanwhile the median wait between an appointment with a specialist and treatment has increased to 9.4 weeks

Average wait times between referral by a family doctor and treatment range from 5.5 weeks for oncology to 40 weeks for orthopedic surgery


Wait times for knee- and hip-replacement surgery at Southwestern Ontario hospitals are among the longest in the province

People who go under the knife to get their knees replaced in Strathroy have waited an average of 671 days for surgery

Stratford is running the second-highest wait in the province for those needing a hip replacement: the average wait there was 364 days.

In London, the region’s largest medical centre, patients waited an average of 307 days to replace a knee and 299 days to replace a hip

Londoner Judy Congdon waited more than a year to have her right knee replaced when her Strathroy surgeon told her he’d have to replace her left hip next. Told last year to expect surgery in September 2017, her date in the operating room was cancelled, and the surgery delayed a second year


Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S.

SEATTLE – A problem in Canada’s hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.

Carri Ash of Chilliwack, B.C. was sent to the U.S. to have her baby after her water broke on Sunday, ten weeks ahead of schedule.

“And they came in and said ‘you’re going to Seattle,'” she said.

Ash’s hospital couldn’t handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn’t have a neo-natal bed.

“So two provinces didn’t have enough room, so I have to go to another country,” said Ash.

Ash was sent to Swedish Medical Center where, nurses told KOMO 4 News, five Canadian women have come to have their babies in the past six weeks. Some were even airlifted at up to $5,000 per flight.

And a woman from Calgary, one of the wealthiest cities in Canada, had to travel to Montana to give birth to her identical quadruplets.

“We always regret when we have to transfer a baby or mother to another jurisdiction for care,” said Canada’s Health Minister George Abbott.

Aidan Nassey was born premature in Canada and developed breathing problems before his mother could even hold him.

“It was terrifying. And he was taken away and that was it,” said Courtney Nassey, his mother.

There wasn’t a hospital in western Canada that could take in Aidan, and a helicopter had to rush them to Seattle.

Vicki Irvine crossed the border to see her daughter, Carri Ash, give birth.

“You can’t even have a baby near home. It’s horrible,” she said.

Irvine and Ash are questioning Canada’s priorities when it comes to health care spending.

“I think it’s ridiculous that we can have the Olympics but not enough beds so I can have a baby,” said Ash.

The family says there is one benefit to their neo-natal nightmare — the newborn will have dual citizenship and, so far, they like what they see on this side of the border.


More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here.

Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care.


when Robert Bouressa, the Premier of Quebec, had to have his potentially lethal skin cancer treated, he quickly beat a path to the United States and paid for treatment at the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Maryland.


Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.


Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams will be sidelined from three to 12 weeks because of heart surgery he'll undergo at an undisclosed location in the United States, acting premier Kathy Dunderdale says.

From the video below:

19:41 A Toronto man who had a hearth attack waits and waits in an emergency room because there are not enough ICU beds to give him the treatment that he needs.

20:15 A young Canadian girl who has seizures does not have a regular pediatrician, and cannot get a bed at a hospital.

20:23 “More than a million Canadians say they can’t find a regular family doctor. Some towns, like this one, hold a lottery. Once a week, the town clerk gets this box out of the closet. Inside are the names of everyone in town who wants a family doctor. She pulls out one slip, and then calls the lucky winner.”

The narrator then goes on to explain that in order to avoid such long waiting times, some patients have gone to private clinics where they spend their own money on health care, which is illegal in Canada. Even though it’s illegal, it’s actually quite common.

21:36 A businessman makes money by helping Canadians travel to the U.S. to get the health care that they can’t get in Canada. One such example was a woman who had a blocked artery that prevented her from being able to digest her food. She was starving to death. She’d lost 50 pounds. Then she hired the businessman to help her, and she traveled to Washington state and got the health care that she needed. The American doctor said that she would have died within a few weeks if she hadn’t gotten treatment. However, the Canadian government considered her care to be “elective.”

22:11 the narrator shows that at veterinary clinics in Canada, which are privately run and privately funded, animals can get medical treatment immediately, without having to wait. All of the latest high tech equipment is available and ready.

They're an aging society that doesn't have babies

Their system wasn't designed for a sub 2.1 birthrate

Like most of our social welfare systems, they break down if you have too many elderly people.

Same with Social Security

Only way to fix this is ship in more medical experts because you can't produce enough domestically. WE have a specific class of visa to get doctors to rural areas.
 

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Of course you can, until you can't.
Asshole!
You're the asshole here, chump. Grow up and take care of your own healthcare needs. Your body, your bill.
yea but we should buy collectively so the bill is cheaper

tha't sthe important bit

Which is why Americans buy drugs from canadians, only 30 million of them and they're getting drugs cheaper than us because they're not retarded. Many of them american invented treatments
 

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