Calling Out Alang1216: The God of Abraham is a myth

[alang1216]

I already covered that. The important thing for you to remember is to not let the embellishments get in the way of interpreting the accounts. Unless of course you aren’t interested in discovering the truth.

Please refresh my memory since, as I recall, you were not very specific as to what was embellishment and what was not.

 

[alang1216]

The natural law is written into the hearts of man. Jesus did a really good job condensing it.

You are being an idiot here. Truth is discovered. You are free to do and believe anything you want but you are not free from experiencing the consequences of your choices. So things pretty much work themselves out all on their own. You can either learn from them or keep repeating the same mistakes.

If that were true societies throughout history would share the same values. The obviously don't, slavery being a good example.

I may be an idiot by you have your blinders on and only see what you want to see.

 

[alang1216]

Of course you are. You argue that virtue isn’t the greatest organizing principle despite your own personal experiences which tell you it is. So I am under no illusion you will have an honest discussion about any of this.

History and my experiences both disagree with you. You have this mystical fascination with 'virtue' which, like other absolutes, does not even exist in the real world.

 

[alang1216]

I think the accounts pretty much stayed the same. It was the understanding that probably was lost.

The understanding was lost or did it evolve as history unfolded?

 

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I guess you're right, I had no idea that every founding father believed the same things. Writing the Constitution must have been a snap.

They wrote laws halting the expansion of slavery, put into the constitution the earliest date the importation of slavery could be halted, halted the importation of slavery at the earliest date, Daniel Webster gave a speech in the senate saying the exact same thing I said and the vice president of the confederacy gave a speech saying the exact same thing I said and ended his speech saying they were wrong that slavery was against the moral law. So, yeah… you know so little about this.

 

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Thanks for the advice but I'm already happy and successful and, IMHO, am able to see the world as it is, not how I'd prefer it to be. Accept that and you’ll be happier and have more success.

It’s a long journey, time will tell. But I couldn’t be more happy for everyone to experience their predictable surprises in life. God does his best work when our hours are the darkest. Even if you are loathe to give him credit.

 

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History and my experiences both disagree with you. You have this mystical fascination with 'virtue' which, like other absolutes, does not even exist in the real world.

Then not only are you not being objective, you are jaded and cynical. There’s nothing mystical about being virtuous. The consequences of virtue are quite predictable and logical. Unless of course one defines rules through exceptions.

 

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The understanding was lost or did it evolve as history unfolded?

I believe lost through the fog of time. Most of these accounts are historical in nature. You can’t see it because you are stuck on the embellishments. You would have made a right proper evangelical.

 

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Please refresh my memory since, as I recall, you were not very specific as to what was embellishment and what was not.

Exodus was the account of a people who left Egypt and formally established standards in writing. The rest are embellishments to make that historical account more memorable and easier to pass down. Sort of like George Washington and the cherry tree.

 

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If that were true societies throughout history would share the same values. The obviously don't, slavery being a good example.

I may be an idiot by you have your blinders on and only see what you want to see.

No. That’s not true. Truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process. Truth is discovered. You have a polytheistic outlook.

 

[alang1216]

They wrote laws halting the expansion of slavery, put into the constitution the earliest date the importation of slavery could be halted, halted the importation of slavery at the earliest date, Daniel Webster gave a speech in the senate saying the exact same thing I said and the vice president of the confederacy gave a speech saying the exact same thing I said and ended his speech saying they were wrong that slavery was against the moral law. So, yeah… you know so little about this.

Not completely accurate.

• Some thought slavery was bad but not all.
• They wrote no laws halting the expansion of slavery
• Article I, Section 9, Clause 1, prohibited Congress from banning the importation of slaves for 20 years, until 1808. There was no guarantee of what would happen after that date so really it was more about protecting slavery than eliminating it.

 

[alang1216]

Then not only are you not being objective, you are jaded and cynical. There’s nothing mystical about being virtuous. The consequences of virtue are quite predictable and logical. Unless of course one defines rules through exceptions.

So what data do you have that shows the consequences of virtue are quite predictable and logical?

 

[alang1216]

I believe lost through the fog of time. Most of these accounts are historical in nature. You can’t see it because you are stuck on the embellishments. You would have made a right proper evangelical.

Do you understand the accounts?

 

[alang1216]

Exodus was the account of a people who left Egypt and formally established standards in writing. The rest are embellishments to make that historical account more memorable and easier to pass down. Sort of like George Washington and the cherry tree.

As I've said before, there is no evidence outside the OT that there even was an Exodus, but that is unimportant. So what you're saying is that the only thing that God did was to give Jews the 10 Commandments and the Torah?

 

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Not completely accurate.

• Some thought slavery was bad but not all.
• They wrote no laws halting the expansion of slavery
• Article I, Section 9, Clause 1, prohibited Congress from banning the importation of slaves for 20 years, until 1808. There was no guarantee of what would happen after that date so really it was more about protecting slavery than eliminating it.

It was banned at the earliest date allowed and everything I wrote is 100% true.

 

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So what data do you have that shows the consequences of virtue are quite predictable and logical?

Why don’t you test it by not being virtuous with the people in your lives and get back to me?

 

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Do you understand the accounts?

They continue to reveal themselves to me.

 

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As I've said before, there is no evidence outside the OT that there even was an Exodus, but that is unimportant. So what you're saying is that the only thing that God did was to give Jews the 10 Commandments and the Torah?

God provides reality to all places at all times. That’s what God has done. What you are reading is their understanding of how God did that in their lives which was embellished.

 

[alang1216]

It was banned at the earliest date allowed and everything I wrote is 100% true.

It was banned 20 years later. I wonder how many founding fathers were still active.

You wrote the founding fathers "wrote laws halting the expansion of slavery" but there were no such laws in the Constitution. The first one I know is was the Missouri Compromise of 1820.

 

[alang1216]

Why don’t you test it by not being virtuous with the people in your lives and get back to me?

An excellent example of you wishing how things are and ignoring reality.