Birthright citizenship

[Foxfyre]

There is no such thing as an “anchor baby,” and mothers ARE deported all the time.

Since you cannot refute my post with any credible source I'll just wish you a pleasant day and move one rather than have another ridiculous meaningless discussion this this with you.

 

[Delldude]

Sooooooo, you are agreeing, that of the three, if you had to choose someplace to be forced to go, Ireland would be better than Britain or Germany?

I wouldn't be forced to go anywhere unless they determine my ancestors that landed at Plymouth Rock were Persona non grata.

 

[Foxfyre]

There is no "bureau of citizenship"

How would you determine if a person's parents were legal citizens? Remember, you can no longer look at the birth certificate of anyone. There are no rules or agencies in place that can take the place of birth certificates which are filed at local town clerks' offices.

How are you suggesting that a person's citizenship be determined, then?

I would imagine any change in the law from jus soli to jus sanguinis would not be retroactive. Anyone with a valid birth certificate would still be a citizen.

But nobody in the future ever could get a certified birth certificate indicating citizenship in the future. Birth certificate would likely show the citizenship or home country of the parent or, if that could not be determined, would show unknown. We would be able to deport the mother and her baby with no problem as soon as she was able to safely travel. And that would mean almost no women would make the dangerous journey to come here to have their babies because there would be no chance that the baby would 'anchor' her and allow her to stay in the USA.

That would not be at all difficult.

(Note: The baby found in the dumpster when we are unable to determine the identity of either parent or other minor children too young to identify their parents would need some kind of additional rules/laws/consideration whatever. We could debate what should happen in those rare cases.)

 

[Unkotare]

Since you cannot refute my post with any credible source I'll just wish you a pleasant day and move one rather than have another ridiculous meaningless discussion this this with you.

Cover your eyes and run away if you want. Facts are facts.

 

[Foxfyre]

Cover your eyes and run away if you want. Facts are facts.

Again you cannot show how my post was in any way not factual. You are the one covering your eyes if anybody is when you just say niah niah niah and provide no credible argument of any kind. Again, have a nice day.

 

[Unkotare]

Again you cannot show how my post was in any way not factual. You are the one covering your eyes if anybody is when you just say niah niah niah and provide no credible argument of any kind. Again, have a nice day.

I have, over and over again.

 

[Foxfyre]

I have, over and over again.

Nope. Never once. All you ever say is whatever I post on the topic is wrong.

You are free to show how my post today was in any way wrong. Good luck on that. You won't though. Unless you are entirely somehow out of character today. Just saying it isn't so is not an argument.

Otherwise, I am asking you nicely. Please troll somebody else.

 

[BlindBoo]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

That Included diplomats, their families, and Natives because they were not subject to......

 

[Unkotare]

Nope. Never once. All you ever say is whatever I post on the topic is wrong.

You are free to show how my post today was in any way wrong. Good luck on that. You won't though. Unless you are entirely somehow out of character today. Just saying it isn't so is not an argument.

Otherwise, I am asking you nicely. Please troll somebody else.

I have explained it to you many times.

 

[Foxfyre]

The silly thing is the dems plans to make all those illegals citizens who vote D.

More than silly. The Dems plan to make those illegals citizens, dutiful voters that will allow them to finally have the ultimate totalitarian government they want and eliminate all possibility that it can be voted out of power. A mostly bloodless coup.

 

[Delldude]

More than silly. The Dems plan to make those illegals citizens, dutiful voters that will allow them to finally have the ultimate totalitarian government they want and eliminate all possibility that it can be voted out of power. A mostly bloodless coup.

Boy, if someone not into that mindset came along, won the election, you'd do anything in your power to destroy that person, and if that doesn't work, take them out.

 

[Foxfyre]

Boy, if someone not into that mindset came along, won the election, you'd do anything in your power to destroy that person, and if that doesn't work, take them out.

Which they are doing their damndest to do.

The leftists here at USMB and elsewhere no longer even attempt to defend their destructive, immoral, evil methods/policies. They focus on Trump himself, accusing him of the most ridiculous things, and demonize any of us who support the agenda and vision he promotes.

And it is a rare leftist--even the newly minted Catholic Pope--who is not engaged in that effort to tear him down even as they ignore or even defend the destruction/chaos/evil the left is pushing.

We MAGAs/Patriots/all who support the vision/concept/agenda we voted for need to be more unified, determined, and courageous than we've ever been to overcome all that.

Even some on the right who are TDS afflicted would sell America down the river before they would give President Trump any credit for anything.

 

[MisterBeale]

I wouldn't be forced to go anywhere unless they determine my ancestors that landed at Plymouth Rock were Persona non grata.

. . . and that is what Samofvt implied, should the left get control of the government again. . . were you not paying attention to the conversation?

Even those that landed at Plymouth Rock, hell, especially those, would be sent back for invading native lands.

 

[MisterBeale]

Since you cannot refute my post with any credible source I'll just wish you a pleasant day and move one rather than have another ridiculous meaningless discussion this this with you.

I have had this disagreement with Unk for many years now.

He is technically correct, there is no law that makes the parents of a person that is granted automatic citizenship by being born here, also a citizen.

But what he fails to acknowledge, is that folks that are already citizens, (because their criminal illegal parents enabled them to be born here,) can more easily lobby to have their relatives immigrate legally, thus imparting a certain amount of legitimacy to the term anchor baby.

Family of U.S. Citizens | USCIS

This page describes how you (a U.S. citizen) may petition for certain family members to receive either a Green Card, a fiancé(e) visa or a K-3/K-4 visa based on your relationship. (If your relative wishes to naturalize or obtain proof of citizenship, see the Citizenship section of our website.)...

www.uscis.gov

Unkotare is an anchor baby . . .​

 

[Delldude]

and that is what Samofvt implied, should the left get control of the government again. . . were you not paying attention to the conversation

That's an implication rather far fetched. Everybody is subject to deportation...... so who turns the lights out?

Even those that landed at Plymouth Rock, hell, especially those, would be sent back for invading native lands.

Those born prior to 1176 were British subjects, subservient to the crown.

Hence the term 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'. Which should be enough to prove BRC is for people in the country legally or permitted to be here.

Then a step beyond that, the first attempt to define citizenship was for whites only. (LoL).

In reality, the whole issue is about resolving birth from people illegally in the country trying to claim citizenship.

Any determination on who should be here would affect those groups specifically.

 

[Foxfyre]

I have had this disagreement with Unk for many years now.

He is technically correct, there is no law that makes the parents of a person that is granted automatic citizenship by being born here, also a citizen.

But what he fails to acknowledge, is that folks that are already citizens, (because their criminal illegal parents enabled them to be born here,) can more easily lobby to have their relatives immigrate legally, thus imparting a certain amount of legitimacy to the term anchor baby.

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Family of U.S. Citizens | USCIS

This page describes how you (a U.S. citizen) may petition for certain family members to receive either a Green Card, a fiancé(e) visa or a K-3/K-4 visa based on your relationship. (If your relative wishes to naturalize or obtain proof of citizenship, see the Citizenship section of our website.)...

www.uscis.gov

Unkotare is an anchor baby . . .​

Those, citizens or not, bringing in relatives by the truckload are classified as engaging in chain migration though. Something President Trump and MAGAs discourage as much as the anchor babies. Hopefully we can get the law nailed down to stop that practice. It will take brave Republicans to accomplish that though. Few in any Democrats will support any legislation to end it.

An anchor baby is when a person enters the USA illegally just in time to give birth to her baby on U.S. soil. She hopes that her baby, who under jus soli automatically becomes a U.S. citizen according to the way Democrats interpret that law, will cause her to be allowed to stay as well. That's what make her baby an 'anchor baby' no matter how much Unkotare insists there is no such thing.

 

[Unkotare]

....

But what he fails to acknowledge, is that folks that are already citizens, (because their criminal illegal parents enabled them to be born here,) can more easily lobby to have their relatives immigrate legally....

25 years later? That's not an "anchor," that's a telegraph line.

 

[MisterBeale]

so who turns the lights out?

IM2 will.

 

[MisterBeale]

will cause her to be allowed to stay as well.

In reality, that only ever happens during administrations friendly to illegal aliens. The rest kick them out as they are not here legally.

That's not an "anchor," that's a telegraph line.

Foxfyre is correct, once the chain migration starts it doesn't end.

My buddy married a Chinese national in Med. School. A few years later she becomes a citizen. And a decade after that, both her mom and dad, and one of her siblings is here.

 

[AZrailwhale]

In reality, that only ever happens during administrations friendly to illegal aliens. The rest kick them out as they are not here legally.


Foxfyre is correct, once the chain migration starts it doesn't end.

My buddy married a Chinese national in Med. School. A few years later she becomes a citizen. And a decade after that, both her mom and dad, and one of her siblings is here.

That's why affluent Chinese send their pregnant women here to have their babies. When China self-destructs, the children born here can immigrate and bring their parent, grandparents and other family members with them.