Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

Since it's coming up again



Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

I don't think any American citizen should be deprived of her citizenship unless she is convicted of serious crimes - such as being found guilty on 34 felony counts, or being labeled a sexual abuser or business fraud in a court of law.

 
From the ruling:

“Our nation’s history of efforts to restrict birthright citizenship — from Dred Scott in the decade before the Civil War to the attempted justification for the enforcement of the Chinese Exclusion Act in Wong Kim Ark — has not been a proud one.”
This latest assault upon the Constitution's 14th Amendment has again been thwarted,
 
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What are you trying to say, that the military all believe in anchor babies? LOL, I think you're in the minority six. Members of my family have been represented in every war since WWI and we are all united against birth right citizenship for anchor babies or their parents without going through the naturalization process.

There is no such thing as an "anchor baby."
 
All they have to do is decide that illegals are not "subject to the jurisdiction there of". Meaning political jurisdiction, not legal jurisdiction. That's why when immigrants take the oath of citizenship, they have to reject the political jurisdiction of their home country and submit themselves to the political jurisdiction of the US.

SCOTUS ruling it that way would not be much of a stretch.

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It's pretty clear that the writers didn't consider foreign nationals "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That is indicated by the specific exemption from birthright citizenship of Native Americans, foreign troops and diplomats. While Native Americans had resided in the USA long before it became a nation and resided in it all their lives, their primary allegiance was to their tribes or nations. Immigrants, both legal and illegal fall into the same category. Until they become American citizens, their primary allegiance is to the nations they immigrated from.
 
It's pretty clear that the writers didn't consider foreign nationals "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That is indicated by the specific exemption from birthright citizenship of Native Americans, foreign troops and diplomats. While Native Americans had resided in the USA long before it became a nation and resided in it all their lives, their primary allegiance was to their tribes or nations. Immigrants, both legal and illegal fall into the same category. Until they become American citizens, their primary allegiance is to the nations they immigrated from.
That is simply not true. Because Native Americans and diplomats were not here of their own free will but were a conquered people or sent here by a foreign government as representatives. The native tribes were considered a foreign nation as a token of respect for their limited independence. They were treated much like small independent states. Diplomats were ordered here by their governments, so they had no allegiance to this nation.

The subject of allegiance is not true even today as those requesting asylum have no allegiance to their country of origin.

Where did you get the foreign troops reference? That came out of left field because that is never mentioned.
 
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That is simply not true. Because Native Americans and diplomats were not here of their own free will but were a conquered people or sent here by a foreign government as representatives. The native tribes were considered a foreign nation as a token of respect for their limited independence. They were treated much like small independent states. Diplomats were ordered here by their governments, so they had no allegiance to this nation.

The subject of allegiance is not true even today as those requesting asylum have no allegiance to their country of origin.

Where did you get the foreign troops reference? That came out of left field because that is never mentioned.
Free will doesn’t matter and the nations the illegal aliens come from are legally foreign nations. So it is a direct comparison.
 
Yes, it does, and SCOTUS will likely decide to do nothing.
I think SCOTUS will do as little as it can get away with. Anchor babies are a thorny problem. The best I can see happening in grandfathering in as citizens all born before the decision is handed down. The worst is the SCOTUS does nothing and lets the matter fester for another decade.
 
I think SCOTUS will do as little as it can get away with. Anchor babies are a thorny problem. The best I can see happening in grandfathering in as citizens all born before the decision is handed down. The worst is the SCOTUS does nothing and lets the matter fester for another decade.
That is why they will do nothing. They will not create a new precedent on old text.
 
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Indians were born here and living here. Children of diplomats were born here and living here.
Children of foreign diplomats do not qualify, as far as I am aware. I believe Native American tribal members are basically born with dual citizenship. Neither of these are considered illegal aliens.
 
Children of foreign diplomats do not qualify, as far as I am aware. I believe Native American tribal members are basically born with dual citizenship. Neither of these are considered illegal aliens.
Native Americans were specifically excluded from birthright citizenship in the Amendment. Today they have dual citizenship IF they have a high enough percentage of Native blood. I believe the cutoff is between 1/4 and 1/16th. That is set by every individual tribe. I believe since the advent of Indian Casinos the percentage requirement has gotten higher since tribal members get a cut of the casino profits.
 
Native Americans were specifically excluded from birthright citizenship in the Amendment. Today they have dual citizenship IF they have a high enough percentage of Native blood. I believe the cutoff is between 1/4 and 1/16th. That is set by every individual tribe. I believe since the advent of Indian Casinos the percentage requirement has gotten higher since tribal members get a cut of the casino profits.

They all turn off the lights and sit quietly whenever Elizabeth Warren drives by for her cut.
 

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