Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[White 6]

I appreciate the message. Here is what you said. Germany does not get to decide if an American is a citizen of Germany and by golly this applies to the USA.

Children of illegal aliens should not be citizens due to birth. The parents' rights are out the window if the child is forced to be a citizen.

No. I said, Germany would not get to choose to keep my kid, as back then, you employed me to have talents, skills, think fast on my feet and make acquaintances and bonds with people of questionable ethics, but that could be counted on. Germany just happened to be a place, I was familiar with, back in the day.

One thing about me and my questionable associations, is that we all believed in support of the US Constitution. All of it. You simply do not.

 

[Robert W]

No. I said, Germany would not get to choose to keep my kid, as back then, you employed me to have talents, skills, think fast on my feet and make acquaintances and bonds with people of questionable ethics, but that could be counted on. Germany just happened to be a place, I was familiar with, back in the day.

One thing about me and my questionable associations, is that we all believed in support of the US Constitution. All of it. You simply do not.

Why turn this into an attack against me? I said earlier the Supreme Court will rule and my chats seek to ferrit truth.

 

[White 6]

Why turn this into an attack against me? I said earlier the Supreme Court will rule and my chats seek to ferrit truth.

I have predicted accurately enough, how they Supremes will handle his EO. I am the type that used to piss people off by being right or seeing what they failed to see. We will see what we will see.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Facts Matter "

* Which What If Example *

Imagine for sake or an example, you and your wife visit Chile and she arrived there pregnant. She has your child and Chile now tells you since your child is citizen there, the child must stay. Is this a problem?
In the case of the USA, said pregnant woman has her child and can't remove it as it is a US Citizen. Does that sound kind?

Is that an actual situation ?

Under current implementation of live birth , an illegal migrant can have a child in the us that is a us citizen and it along with the caregiver can be deported .

Any live birth born outside of etas unis to a us citizen is entitled to us citizenship .

Some countries are stopping dual citizenship .

 

[JohnDB]

When diplomats to the a country discover that not only are their children citizens but have been drafted into military service or some other compulsory service...there would be an uproar.

Many nations have compulsory public service. The USA has in the past had "the draft" and all 18 year olds must register for it.

Citizenship has privileges and RESPONSIBILITIES....

 

[Hafar1014]

In order to give birth to a citizen the parents must be citizens in the first place and not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurisdiction

 

[JohnDB]

In order to give birth to a citizen the parents must be citizens in the first place and not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurisdiction

Any wonder why the Democrats are facing real challenges in the coming election?

 

[Unkotare]

In order to give birth to a citizen the parents must be citizens in the first place ...

Nope.

 

[Hafar1014]

Nope.

Thats exactly whit means not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurosdiction

 

[Unkotare]

Thats [sic] exactly whit [sic] means not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurosdiction [sic]

When you are appointed to the Supreme Court you can get right on that.

 

[Robert W]

I have predicted accurately enough, how they Supremes will handle his EO. I am the type that used to piss people off by being right or seeing what they failed to see. We will see what we will see.

You hold authority here. I simply ask to not impugn me.

I made a case in a general way, not about you personally.
When you have two illegal parents here, and they get removed, who in their right minds wants to keep the child here and for the reason the child is a declared citizen?

 

[White 6]

You hold authority here. I simply ask to not impugn me.

I made a case in a general way, not about you personally.
When you have two illegal parents here, and they get removed, who in their right minds wants to keep the child here and for the reason the child is a declared citizen?

I have exercised no authority over you or anybody else, I am engaging in direct open forum debate member exchange.
This isn't about do we get to keep the kids. It is about, whether the kids of non-citizens, born here have the same rights as your kids or my kids. If the parents get deported and they wish to preserve their family unit, by taking their kids with them, that is fine with me. But, the US Government has no business forcibly taking the kids born here, into custody, hold them against their will, in order to pressure parents. People's kids are not bargaining chips. It is wrong.

 

[Robert W]

" Facts Matter "

* Which What If Example *

Is that an actual situation ?

Under current implementation of live birth , an illegal migrant can have a child in the us that is a us citizen and it along with the caregiver can be deported .

Any live birth born outside of etas unis to a us citizen is entitled to us citizenship .

Some countries are stopping dual citizenship .

Leading Democrats to claim we deport citizens. I am merely trying to talk like the Supreme court talks.

 

[Robert W]

I have exercised no authority over you or anybody else, I am engaging in direct open forum debate member exchange.
This isn't about do we get to keep the kids. It is about, whether the kids of non-citizens, born here have the same rights as your kids or my kids. If the parents get deported and they wish to preserve their family unit, by taking their kids with them, that is fine with me. But, the US Government has no business forcibly taking the kids born here, into custody, hold them against their will, in order to pressure parents. People's kids are not bargaining chips. It is wrong.

Democrats already howl we deport citizens. The Feds need to clear that up. When the parents are arrested, do you want the child also locked up?

 

[White 6]

Democrats already howl we deport citizens. The Feds need to clear that up. When the parents are arrested, do you want the child also locked up?

If the child was born here, and the parents want the child to stay with relatives here, it is fine with me. If the parents want to take the child with them, when they are deported, that is fine with me also. Until age 18, parents have responsibility and authority to make decisions for their children.

 

[protectionist]

Not until the 14th Amendment. If you do not wish to support the US Constitution, move to a different country or suck it up and live with it. Feel free to file an Amicus brief with the Supreme Court.

YOU are are who is not supporting the Constitution. The Constitution is who wrote it. The SCOTUS may do whatever they will do, but the 14th is Jacob Howard, & he said no kids of foreigners.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Supreme court does. They could have rejected the case. They took it.

And now Trump will be embarrassed.

 

[protectionist]

He doesn't get that Senator Howards were included in the briefs and in the oral arguments.

Just they weren't cut off like he did in the OP and appeared in full context as adjectives describing those on diplomatic missions.

WW

And when he was included (and why wouldn't he be, since he authored it) he said no kids of foreigners. How does this become difficult ?

 

[protectionist]

If it's right they will follow what the Constitution says and not bend to political pressure because some don't fiund the current language convienent.

They should uphold the Constitution and make it clear that is the job of Congress to amend the Constitution if the administration wants a change.

And before you make an assumption, I'm fine with addressing it through and amendment to make jus soli applicable only to those legally present in the United States.



News flash, the child in the womb can't be prosecuted for a crime committed by the mother.

Go figure.

WW

Upholding the Constitution means no kids of foreigners. This is what the guy who wrote the 14th said. He figured it was so UNDERSTOOD, it didnt even need to be written.

 

[protectionist]

And now Trump will be embarrassed.

You hope.