Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[Zincwarrior]

Upholding the Constitution means no kids of foreigners. This is what the guy who wrote the 14th said. He figured it was so UNDERSTOOD, it didnt even need to be written.

And no fat chicks amirite!

 

[Zincwarrior]

You hope.

I predict. The Constitution is clear.

 

[protectionist]

And no fat chicks amirite!

Howard didn't mention them.

 

[protectionist]

I predict. The Constitution is clear.

Everybody is free to speculate.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Everybody is free to speculate.

Like assholes, everyone has an opinion.

 

[protectionist]

The Constitution is clear.

It clearly contains the words of its author, Sen Jacob Howard >

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens"

 

[protectionist]

Like assholes, everyone has an opinion.

But Howard's words were not an opinion. They were fact. Then & now.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It clearly contains the words of its author, Sen Jacob Howard >

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens"

No. The amendment is clear.

 

[protectionist]

No. The amendment is clear.

It IS clear yes - as Howard stated it.
No reason for controversy.

 

[Unkotare]

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When you have two illegal parents here, and they get removed, who in their right minds wants to keep the child here and for the reason the child is a declared citizen?

Often, the citizen is raised by "relatives" who are here legally.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In order to give birth to a citizen you must be one in the first place. Thats what the law states

No, it does not. Where did you get such a silly ******* idea? Quote the law.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The civil rights act states exactly that. Not under any other jurusdiction

Quote it!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In order to give birth to a citizen the parents must be citizens in the first place and not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurisdiction

Still waiting for that citation.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Adopting Convention For Succinct Articulation Of Language Is Required "

* Line Up Tracks For A Clear Path *

In order to give birth to a citizen the parents must be citizens in the first place and not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurisdiction

Thats exactly whit means not under any other jurisdiction. Every illegal is under another jurosdiction

Consider the following array of alternative clauses for us 14th amendment : and subject to its jurisdiction ; and a subject of its jurisdiction .

If us 14th amendment were stated " and subject to its jurisdiction " , such would be equivalent with jus soli to any live birth as all within the domain of us judicial authority are subject to its jurisdiction .

If us 14th amendment were stated " and a subject of its jurisdiction " , such could be misconstrued to imply subservience , subjugation or submission of us citizens to its government , such as would be a subject of an emperor or other totalitarian state .

The complete clause of us 14th amendment includes the term thereof , which relates a distinction between subject to us jurisdiction and subject of us jurisdiction , with a nuance that us citizens are not subservient to or to be subjugated by us government .

Clearly , any within the domain of us judicial authority are subject to us jurisdiction , without exclusion , except for diplomats which by diplomacy negotiate immunity and agree to forgo jus soli citizenship for any live birth .

Clearly , not all within the domain of us judicial authority are a subject of us jurisdiction , where a subject of us jurisdiction would include a citizen by title , or a migrant whom is a subject by title in us legal immigration system .

To their nation of origin , every illegal migrant remains a subject of that jurisdiction ; for example , a us citizen sojourning abroad , without a valid visa , also remains a subject of us jurisdiction in that us government has an obligation to secure equal protection of negative liberties for its citizens , whether a us citizen is within the domain of us judicial authority or not .

The parents of wong kim ark were subjects of chinese emperor , however through diplomatic agreement , as subjects by title in us legal immigration system , the parents of wong kim ark became subjects of us jurisdiction , and chinese exclusion act did not include a clause denying jus soli citizenship for live births .

The implications of being a subject of a chinese emperor are that of subservience , subjugation , submission , however us republic is founded upon independence of the individual , through equal protection of negative liberties among individuals , which does not preclude subservience to or subjugation by us government , such that the clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " was applied .

 

[Hafar1014]

Still waiting for that citation.

Its called common ssne and the ability to read English

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Its called common ssne and the ability to read English

So, you just made it up? How you can you do shit like that and consider yourself a professional?

I am calling you a liar straight to your face and that's the best you have? Pathetic!

 

[Hafar1014]

So, you just made it up? How you can you do shit like that and consider yourself a professional?

I am calling you a liar straight to your face and that's the best you have? Pathetic!

Civil Rights Act 1866
"Be it enacted . . . , That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding."

This is too easy how does it feel to make fool out of yourself?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Us Citizen Ships Entitled To Self Autonomy "

* Know Equivalent Thereof Is There Of And Those Of There *

Civil Rights Act 1866
"Be it enacted . . . , That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power,

The civil rights act of 1866 annexed by congress in 1870 was a one time declaration to cover the current demographic of individuals , which included any having survived live birth on us soil , whether formerly enslaved and of any race , though also excluding any not subject to any foreign power , which is somehow equivalent with an allegiance to a foreign power .

A meaning in the phrase " not subject to any foreign power " is not directly intuitive and such continues to generate inane opinions , before senate and scotus , pleading for jurisprudence to determine whether an undocumented migrant is subject to us jurisdiction .

Such a question is mundane , as all are subject to us jurisdiction , except where through diplomacy a foreign envoy negotiates immunity , so as neither to be extradited , nor interned as a hostage .

It can be stated that positive liberties may not be equally endowed , and it should be understood that a diplomatic agreement negotiates conditions whereby an individual becomes a subject by title in us legal immigration system , whereby a diplomat becomes a subject of us jurisdiction .

Becoming a subject by title in us legal immigration systems may entitle an individual to positive liberties of endowment , perhaps for general welfare , or protection , however the positive liberty of jus soli citizenship for live births of a diplomats is rescinded due to conflicts of allegiance .

It can be stated that negative liberties may be equally protected , and it should be understood that those whom are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system receive equal protection of due process , however such individuals are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system and therefore are not subjects of us jurisdiction , which means their live births on us soil are not entitled to just soli citizenship and would receive jus originis citizenship to the country of maternal origin , which requires diplomatic agreements with countries of origin .

Is there a reason us government is not engaging in diplomacy to establish jus originis citizenship for children born of individuals whom are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system and not subjects of us jurisdiction ?

* Too Fun Knee *

excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding."
This is too easy how does it feel to make fool out of yourself?

The para phrase " without regard . . , except as punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted " means that a previous conviction could be regarded when deciding eligibility for citizenship at the time .

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Its called common ssne and the ability to read English

No dude..it's called the law. All your squirming will not get you a citation that even begins to say that one must be a citizen to birth a citizen. No-where..and the law is replete with example of just the opposite--some have been quoted here.

Nothing is more sacred in law than Precedent...and the precedent for birthright citizenship--is quite well-established.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

" Us Citizen Ships Entitled To Self Autonomy "

* Know Equivalent Thereof Is There Of And Those Of There *

The civil rights act of 1866 annexed by congress in 1870 was a one time declaration to cover the current demographic of individuals , whereby any having survived live birth on us soil , whether formerly enslaved and of any race , though also excluding any not subject to any foreign power , which is somehow equivalent with an allegiance to a foreign power .

A meaning in the phrase " not subject to any foreign power " is not directly intuitive and such continues to generate inane opinions , before senate and scotus , pleading for jurisprudence to determine whether an undocumented migrant is subject to us jurisdiction .

Such a question is mundane , as all are subject to us jurisdiction , except where through diplomacy a foreign envoy negotiates immunity , so as neither to be extradited , nor interned as a hostage .

It can be stated that positive liberties may not be equally endowed , and it should be understood that a diplomatic agreement negotiates conditions whereby an individual becomes a subject by title in us legal immigration system , whereby a diplomat becomes a subject of us jurisdiction .

Becoming a subject by title in us legal immigration systems may entitle an individual to positive liberties of endowment , perhaps for general welfare , or protection , however the positive liberty of jus soli citizenship for live births of a diplomats is rescinded due to conflicts of allegiance .

It can be stated that negative liberties may be equally protected , and it should be understood that those whom are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system receive equal protection of due process , however such individuals are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system and therefore are not subjects of us jurisdiction , which means their live births on us soil are not entitled to just soli citizenship and would receive jus originis citizenship to the country of maternal origin , which requires diplomatic agreements with countries of origin .

Is there a reason us government is not engaging in diplomacy to establish jus originis citizenship for children born of individuals whom are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system and not subjects of us jurisdiction ?

* Too Fun Knee *

The para phrase " without regard . . , except as punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted " means that a previous conviction could be regarded when deciding eligibility for citizenship at the time .

Nicely worded--and pretty much not going to happen.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5818557-birthright-citizenship-trump-sc/

President Trump on Monday said the Supreme Court just “doesn’t seem to care” about the country after its ruling against his tariffs, and the considerable doubts many of the justices showed toward striking down birthright citizenship.