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The Supreme court does. They could have rejected the case. They took it.
Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No
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FALSE! We were better off. For one example, there was much more fresh water per capita (especially in the dry western states).
Air & water were cleaner.
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I have no problem with the 14th Amendment. But, of course, I am not a Republican, so I support and defend the entire Constitution. I even honer oaths, taken. Promises made, and marriage vows.
We don't know that yet. You are speculating.
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I wonder if the words of Sen Jacob Howard have ever been spoken/heard in this Supreme Court review.
looks like the Supreme court has no fear of posters here, me too, of making decisions for the supreme courtha ha Oh, so kids of ambassadors and diplomats are not OK, but fence cutters & climbers, tunnel diggers, smugglees in car trunks, and caravan invaders all are OK, huh ?
You can go back to sleep now.
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Talking about the process.
The Southerns States were forced to sign on "at the point of a bayonet ".
One state reversed on it's approval but congress would not let them.
The whole thing was a giant Kangaroo Government.....mess.
The 14th was never ratified correctly.
I know, I know....it's there now.
Don't really give a flying fig. It sucks and I will forever be against it and hate it.
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So only diplomats arent "subject to jurisdiction thereof"? Why would they be the only ones not included? I also dont see "diplomats" mentioned anywhere in the Constitution.
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No such thing.
NO to birthright citizenship if it leads to permanent citizenship for the illegal parents. The parents MUST be deported and, if they actually love their kid, MUST take him/her with them.
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" Basic Criteria Of Protection Collective State "
* Understandable And Resolvable *
Us citizens are entitled to a difference between subject to and subject of , for safety , security , autonomy and solvency of its republic .
All concur that individuals whom are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system , as undocumented sojourners , are not entitled to positive liberties such as medicaid , which affirms that such individuals are not subjects of us jurisdiction , though such individuals are subject to us jurisdiction .
Except by an act of diplomacy , as an agreement between us government and other governments , or between us government and an individual , such than an individual becomes a subject by title in us legal immigration system , and therefore a subject of us jurisdiction , the live birth of progeny on us soil , from such individuals does not qualify , does not qualify the offspring for jus soli citizenship , and is to be awarded jus originis citizenship to maternal country of origin .
* Understandable And Resolvable *
There would be hurdles to verify citizenship , however a unique association between an individual us citizen and a social security number is fairly well documented and the disposition of verification is likely to be readily available .
Us citizens are entitled to a difference between subject to and subject of , for safety , security , autonomy and solvency of its republic .
All concur that individuals whom are not subjects by title in us legal immigration system , as undocumented sojourners , are not entitled to positive liberties such as medicaid , which affirms that such individuals are not subjects of us jurisdiction , though such individuals are subject to us jurisdiction .
Except by an act of diplomacy , as an agreement between us government and other governments , or between us government and an individual , such than an individual becomes a subject by title in us legal immigration system , and therefore a subject of us jurisdiction , the live birth of progeny on us soil , from such individuals does not qualify , does not qualify the offspring for jus soli citizenship , and is to be awarded jus originis citizenship to maternal country of origin .
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It doesn't, not for at least 20 years anyway.
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You do understand though that this whole issue was created by hospital nursing staff.
And a bit of regulatory agency over reach.
Because newborn babies are now issued a SS number as well as a birth certificate. And nursing staff just pushes the buttons to make these things happen. They just follow orders and procedures....because of the many and hefty regulations surrounding their careers.
So nursing staff began issuing SS numbers to ALL babies regardless of the legal immigration status of parents....indigent mothers arent that uncommon....and issuing SS cards means nothing to nursing staff anymore than the child's birth certificate....they likely are caring more about whether the baby's mother is nursing correctly or needs something like infant first aid training/CPR.
Never understanding they have caused a catastrophe with immigration due to the regulations imposed upon them forcing them to issue such documents.
(This is exactly how the crisis came into existence)
These illegal immigrants now having a citizen baby....tell ALL their family and friends back home their good fortune and how they now have an "in" to stay in America without getting kicked out. Which in turn eventually causes an avalanche of pregnant women coming to America to have babies...for free....and gaining citizenship all at the same time. (In Mexico you have to pay for healthcare....no indigent healthcare system whatsoever)
Which is why today a little over 9% of all live births in America are to illegal alien women.
Even if they dont stay in America....they at least show up for the free healthcare.
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No, it's not. Not according to the current, century and a half understanding of the Constitution.
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The civil rights act states exactly that. Not under any other jurusdiction
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"Other jurisdiction" like the Constitution of the United States of America?
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No, it's not "exactly how the crisis came into existance". You make it sound as if nurses were acting independently and make side references to "regulations".
Well the actual fact is that in 1986 under the Reagan Administration the Tax Reform Act of 1986 was passed that REQUIRED that social security numbers be provided to claim a dependent tax exemption. Social Security numbers were not "automatically" issued by nurses, but the parents were given the opportunity to request a SSN after birth so that the parents could then comply with tax law.
Sure, parents could elect NOT to get a SSN, but then under the law they could not claim the tax deduction for their children.
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" Access Authorization System Government Auditing Authorities Absent "
* Action By A Greater Individual Of Collective Individuals Is A Government Role *
A system would also need to be in place for issuing jus originis citizenship to the maternal country of origin , which would need to be established through diplomatic agreement , and perhaps integrating social security totalization agreements for back billing of medical services .
* Animal Apex Predator Hue Mammon Ape Predictability *
Propensities for breeding into poverty , by taxing ecological and economic systems beyond carrying capacity , remains a great contributor with deleterious outcomes in closed systems .
There are +600 million in latin america and incursions into etas unis to proliferate its populations , which is facilitated by malfeasance of government and negligence of jurisprudence , is illegitimate aggression with significant risks to safety , security , autonomy and solvency against the republic of us citizens .
That populations are numerically over represented globally , and have incurred the costs of over extending carrying capacity , neither incurs an obligation of responsibility by citizens of etas unis to accommodate permanent residency , nor incurs an obligation to jus soli us citizenship for their live births .
The affects of cultural idealism from spanish dominion within latin america should remain there , as affects of cultural idealism from english dominion within north america , inbued within the foundations of us constitution , are more valid .
* Action By A Greater Individual Of Collective Individuals Is A Government Role *
An agency of government service would need to be in place to avert cart blanch issuance of jus soli citizenship , to live births of individuals , whom are not a subject by title in us legal immigration system , whom are therefore not subjects of us jurisdiction , and whom would receive jus originis citizenship to the maternal country of origin .
A system would also need to be in place for issuing jus originis citizenship to the maternal country of origin , which would need to be established through diplomatic agreement , and perhaps integrating social security totalization agreements for back billing of medical services .
* Animal Apex Predator Hue Mammon Ape Predictability *
It is astounding how individuals claim distress as excuses for escaping a plight , only to maintain the original beliefs and methods of behavior which provisioned the conditions blamed for the distress and plight .
Propensities for breeding into poverty , by taxing ecological and economic systems beyond carrying capacity , remains a great contributor with deleterious outcomes in closed systems .
There are +600 million in latin america and incursions into etas unis to proliferate its populations , which is facilitated by malfeasance of government and negligence of jurisprudence , is illegitimate aggression with significant risks to safety , security , autonomy and solvency against the republic of us citizens .
That populations are numerically over represented globally , and have incurred the costs of over extending carrying capacity , neither incurs an obligation of responsibility by citizens of etas unis to accommodate permanent residency , nor incurs an obligation to jus soli us citizenship for their live births .
The affects of cultural idealism from spanish dominion within latin america should remain there , as affects of cultural idealism from english dominion within north america , inbued within the foundations of us constitution , are more valid .
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What we have at odds is legal immigration vx illegal immigrants.
Legal immigrants who have worked hard to make it to America and have become citizens or have taken flight from oppressive regimes tend to be very conservative when voting. They also work hard at whatever employment they qualify for. (We love these people)
Illegal immigrants vote Democrat for all the freebies they are given. They are leeches on our society and systems. They want to turn America into the cesspool nation they escaped.
No matter what, due to our declining birth rates of citizens, we are desperate for immigrants. Otherwise we will have a societal collapse.
Legal immigrants who have worked hard to make it to America and have become citizens or have taken flight from oppressive regimes tend to be very conservative when voting. They also work hard at whatever employment they qualify for. (We love these people)
Illegal immigrants vote Democrat for all the freebies they are given. They are leeches on our society and systems. They want to turn America into the cesspool nation they escaped.
No matter what, due to our declining birth rates of citizens, we are desperate for immigrants. Otherwise we will have a societal collapse.
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