Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[protectionist]

There was a later law, not Constitutional ammendment, that further included Black people and Native Americans as citizens.
Even after the Civil War Black's didn't immediately get full voting rights. That came later.

And this, as well as a few court cases, is where everyone is arguing from.

Truly, this came about because Nurses are not immigration specialists....they are nurses. And when that illegal alien gives birth the nurses automatically signs that baby up for a SS card....

I don't see anything as nullifying the 14th amendment as Howard created it. No foreign kids. Period.

 

[JonKoch]

Only FOURTEEN out of seventy-five countries can even be argued to be first world countries. Most are third world countries.

So you agree, Cheeto is a liar claiming the USA is the only nation with birthright citizenship

 

[JohnDB]

I don't see anything as nullifying the 14th amendment as Howard created it. No foreign kids. Period.

Correct.
They are arguing in favor of geographic birth solely determining citizenship.

And it can't be that way.

However....
We have 10% of all live births in America being for the purpose of being an anchor baby for American citizenship.

And we are STILL running short of citizens.

We have a growing population demographic problem. If we think we have a problem. There are a few others with worse ones...

Like Japan, Italy, and Greece. They literally do not have enough children. The USA has been short for a while now but it's definitely getting worse. We need more children than adults. And we don't have any children.

That's just to keep the population stable.

But these other nations are looking at a complete societal collapse. When there aren't any young people to be fireman, police, nurses and doctors....it's a problem.

If we are to fix our population issues....EVERY American woman needs to birth 4 children minimum.

We are not going to make it otherwise.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It isn't interpretation. It is FACT.
The author, Sen Jacob Howard said the 14th doesn't include kids of foreigners, aliens. That should close it.

That's not what he said. You left off the part of the speach. Foreigners, aliens where used as adjectives to decribe ambassadors and foreign diplomats admitted on diplomatic missions for foreign countries.

WW

 

[Unkotare]

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And why has there been a such thing as anchor babies for so long ? ...

There hasn't.

 

[protectionist]

Correct.
They are arguing in favor of geographic birth solely determining citizenship.

And it can't be that way.

However....
We have 10% of all live births in America being for the purpose of being an anchor baby for American citizenship.

And we are STILL running short of citizens.

We have a growing population demographic problem. If we think we have a problem. There are a few others with worse ones...

Like Japan, Italy, and Greece. They literally do not have enough children. The USA has been short for a while now but it's definitely getting worse. We need more children than adults. And we don't have any children.

That's just to keep the population stable.

But these other nations are looking at a complete societal collapse. When there aren't any young people to be fireman, police, nurses and doctors....it's a problem.

If we are to fix our population issues....EVERY American woman needs to birth 4 children minimum.

We are not going to make it otherwise.

I don't see any criteria to support this notion at all. Seems to me the country would be much better off with far LESS population, and thereby more resources per capita.

 

[protectionist]

There hasn't.

Of course there has.

 

[protectionist]

That's not what he said. You left off the part of the speach. Foreigners, aliens where used as adjectives to decribe ambassadors and foreign diplomats admitted on diplomatic missions for foreign countries.

ha ha Oh, so kids of ambassadors and diplomats are not OK, but fence cutters & climbers, tunnel diggers, smugglees in car trunks, and caravan invaders all are OK, huh ?

You can go back to sleep now.

 

[Godboy]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

"AND subject to the juristiction therof".

Did they just throw in extra words for funzies? Why add that extra part if they just wanted us to know that "ALL persons born in the United States are citizens"? There is no way that they would just throw those words in if they didnt have any meaning. And why the f*** would they want every person born to instantly become citizen, even if their parents arent citizens? Why the f*** would that hold any importance to them whatsoever, let alone important enough to put it in the Constitution? Why do WE want every person born here to instantly become a US citizen? How is that useful to us in any way?

Do you have an actual logical, reasonable answer, or are you one of those "just because" guys?

 

[mudwhistle]

Bull ******* shit. Several thousand of your traitor scum certainly did.

From what was reported only a couple hundred people entered the Capital....and every one of them was either taken on a tour or were let inside by somebody in the building.

 

[Unkotare]

Of course there has.

In fact, there has not.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Correct.
They are arguing in favor of geographic birth solely determining citizenship.

And it can't be that way.

However....
We have 10% of all live births in America being for the purpose of being an anchor baby for American citizenship.

And we are STILL running short of citizens.

We have a growing population demographic problem. If we think we have a problem. There are a few others with worse ones...

Like Japan, Italy, and Greece. They literally do not have enough children. The USA has been short for a while now but it's definitely getting worse. We need more children than adults. And we don't have any children.

That's just to keep the population stable.

But these other nations are looking at a complete societal collapse. When there aren't any young people to be fireman, police, nurses and doctors....it's a problem.

If we are to fix our population issues....EVERY American woman needs to birth 4 children minimum.

We are not going to make it otherwise.

There is no such thing as an anchor baby as the citizenship of the child doesn't anchor a damned thing. Parents can still be deported and are not eligible for citizenship simply because the kid is. You are either in error or being dishonest when using the term incorrectly.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It isn't interpretation. It is FACT.
The author, Sen Jacob Howard said the 14th doesn't include kids of foreigners, aliens. That should close it.

No one cares.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't see any criteria to support this notion at all. Seems to me the country would be much better off with far LESS population, and thereby more resources per capita.

Well, you have the right to be wrong about that. Were we any better off with a tiny population in the past? No.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

"AND subject to the juristiction therof".

Did they just throw in extra words for funzies? Why add that extra part if they just wanted us to know that "ALL persons born in the United States are citizens"? There is no way that they would just throw those words in if they didnt have any meaning. And why the f*** would they want every person born to instantly become citizen, even if their parents arent citizens? Why the f*** would that hold any importance to them whatsoever, let alone important enough to put it in the Constitution? Why do WE want every person born here to instantly become a US citizen? How is that useful to us in any way?

Do you have an actual logical, reasonable answer, or are you one of those "just because" guys?

It was meant to distinguish diplomats sent here by other countries. This has been explained numerous times to those of you incapable of reading.

 

[White 6]

You ever read up on how that amendment was "ratified" (it wasn't).

It was immorally, unethically, and probably illegally passed.

I suspect the US Supreme Court is going to rule to keep it, as it is, whether Trump likes it or not. I hear the Solicitor General sounded like a Trumpian dumbass, being pot shot by all but two confirmed Trump loyalist. They obviously were not buying the administration argument. That EO is soon to be history.

 

[White 6]

Are you better educated than the supreme court?

No. But they were still smart enough to not buy into the Solicitor General's BS. It was obvious, and it was the reason Trump didn't hang around.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I suspect the US Supreme Court is going to rule to keep it, as it is, whether Trump likes it or not. I hear the Solicitor General sounded like a Trumpian dumbass, being pot shot by all but two confirmed Trump loyalist. They obviously were not buying the administration argument. That EO is soon to be history.

Why did you bother to quote my post?

Do you have any idea of just how disgusting the process was for "ratifying" (which really didn't happen) the 14th.

 

[protectionist]

In fact, there has not.

Go watch the cow jump over the moon.