Birthright Citizenship…Arguments to begin this week at the Supreme Court.

[d0gbreath]

Apparently you cannot. But have a nice day.

It's not for you, nor I to decide. SCOTUS is taking it up and will decide. Then we, will live by their decision.

 

[Foxfyre]

It's not for you, nor I to decide. SCOTUS is taking it up and will decide. Then we, will live by their decision.

The key will be in the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' The Founders and those who amended the Constitution were clear that they did not consider visitors, those on other temporary visas, ambassadors or other foreign officials to be subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, i.e. they were subject to the jurisdiction of whatever country where they were citizens.

If SCOTUS goes by the original intent, there will be no question. Anchor babies will not be citizens. If they go by the definition the left demands, then we're screwed.

It's as simple as that.

 

[d0gbreath]

The key will be in the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' The Founders and those who amended the Constitution were clear that they did not consider visitors, those on other temporary visas, ambassadors or other foreign officials to be subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, i.e. they were subject to the jurisdiction of whatever country where they were citizens.

If SCOTUS goes by the original intent, there will be no question. Anchor babies will not be citizens. If they go by the definition the left demands, then we're screwed.

It's as simple as that.

Would it be OK with you, Mr. Speculation, if we just wait and see?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Because it simply is not what the amendment explicitly says.

An amendment to it is what is needed for us to change it.

Only these people were NOT subject to our government's jurisdiction at the time:

1. Foreign- Diplomats, Ambassadors, and Royalty itself, with Diplomatic Immunity under international laws and their family residing with them.


2. Native Americans on Reservations with Treaties giving the Native Americans autonomy to Rule and govern themselves,

they have their own governing jurisdiction on their reservation with the Natives.


3. Foreign national enemies of war, and their family members (during wartime)


Everyone else was under our jurisdiction, under our laws of the land.

You are even now to this day, labeling these crossers, ILLEGALS....because under the law these crossers on our soil, are under our laws and under our laws, they are crossing illegally, no? They are under our jurisdiction for them to be, so called illegals....

Quislings Twist Meanings into Contradictions

You're begging the question by assuming that "jurisdiction" means anything more than the power to immediately deport the immigration criminal and her baby.

There's nothing beneficial to her in the only meaning of "jurisdiction" relevant to her case. In fact, she's not even qualified to use our maternity ward; hers is in the country she invaded us from.

 

[Foxfyre]

Would it be OK with you, Mr. Speculation, if we just wait and see?

You didn't. You made your mind right up. Forgive the rest of us if we find it a topic that deserves some consideration.

 

[WEATHER53]

The key will be in the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' The Founders and those who amended the Constitution were clear that they did not consider visitors, those on other temporary visas, ambassadors or other foreign officials to be subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, i.e. they were subject to the jurisdiction of whatever country where they were citizens.

If SCOTUS goes by the original intent, there will be no question. Anchor babies will not be citizens. If they go by the definition the left demands, then we're screwed.

It's as simple as that.

Are they inclined toward though or projected sentiment.

 

[WEATHER53]

Would it be OK with you, Mr. Speculation, if we just wait and see?

It’s a discussion hoard twit

 

[Robert W]

Not everybody born in the USA is a Citizen. Does the 14th exclude anybody?
So why can't the president also exclude a class such as babies?

In the United States, birthright citizenship is generally guaranteed to all persons born within the U.S. territory, regardless of their parents' immigration status, due to the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. However, there are a few established exceptions:

• Children of foreign diplomats: Individuals born in the U.S. whose parents are foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are thus not granted birthright citizenship.
• Children of hostile occupying forces: Children born to soldiers of an enemy army during a hostile occupation of U.S. territory are also not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted birthright citizenship.
• Individuals born in American Samoa: The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that individuals born in the unincorporated territory of American Samoa are not automatically granted birthright citizenship, but are considered "non-citizen nationals" unless Congress enacts legislation granting them citizenship.
• Individuals born on foreign public ships: Children born on foreign warships visiting a U.S. port are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted citizenship.

Note: It's important to be aware of recent legal challenges to birthright citizenship in the U.S., particularly concerning children born to undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status. The legality of an executive order attempting to restrict birthright citizenship in these cases is currently being reviewed by the Supreme Court.

 

[bendog]

Would it be OK with you, Mr. Speculation, if we just wait and see?

actually some native americans objected to citizenship in the early 1920s. dunno about the 14th, but you cannot be wrong.

 

[Foxfyre]

Are they inclined toward though or projected sentiment.

I don't know. That is why many of us are nervous about it.

 

[bendog]

Not everybody born in the USA is a Citizen. Does the 14th exclude anybody?
So why can't the president also exclude a class such as babies?

In the United States, birthright citizenship is generally guaranteed to all persons born within the U.S. territory, regardless of their parents' immigration status, due to the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. However, there are a few established exceptions:

• Children of foreign diplomats: Individuals born in the U.S. whose parents are foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are thus not granted birthright citizenship.
• Children of hostile occupying forces: Children born to soldiers of an enemy army during a hostile occupation of U.S. territory are also not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted birthright citizenship.
• Individuals born in American Samoa: The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that individuals born in the unincorporated territory of American Samoa are not automatically granted birthright citizenship, but are considered "non-citizen nationals" unless Congress enacts legislation granting them citizenship.
• Individuals born on foreign public ships: Children born on foreign warships visiting a U.S. port are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted citizenship.

Note: It's important to be aware of recent legal challenges to birthright citizenship in the U.S., particularly concerning children born to undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status. The legality of an executive order attempting to restrict birthright citizenship in these cases is currently being reviewed by the Supreme Court.

excluding babies was one on the things most of the "justices" found absurd in Team Trump's arguments.

 

[Robert W]

The key will be in the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' The Founders and those who amended the Constitution were clear that they did not consider visitors, those on other temporary visas, ambassadors or other foreign officials to be subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, i.e. they were subject to the jurisdiction of whatever country where they were citizens.

If SCOTUS goes by the original intent, there will be no question. Anchor babies will not be citizens. If they go by the definition the left demands, then we're screwed.

It's as simple as that.

Democrats don't admit it but there are a good number of babies not awarded citizenship already in the laws of this country.
In the United States, birthright citizenship is generally guaranteed to all persons born within the U.S. territory, regardless of their parents' immigration status, due to the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. However, there are a few established exceptions:

• Children of foreign diplomats: Individuals born in the U.S. whose parents are foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are thus not granted birthright citizenship.
• Children of hostile occupying forces: Children born to soldiers of an enemy army during a hostile occupation of U.S. territory are also not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted birthright citizenship.
• Individuals born in American Samoa: The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that individuals born in the unincorporated territory of American Samoa are not automatically granted birthright citizenship, but are considered "non-citizen nationals" unless Congress enacts legislation granting them citizenship.
• Individuals born on foreign public ships: Children born on foreign warships visiting a U.S. port are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted citizenship.

Note: It's important to be aware of recent legal challenges to birthright citizenship in the U.S., particularly concerning children born to undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status. The legality of an executive order attempting to restrict birthright citizenship in these cases is currently being reviewed by the Supreme Court.

 

[bendog]

Democrats don't admit it but there are a good number of babies not awarded citizenship already in the laws of this country.
In the United States, birthright citizenship is generally guaranteed to all persons born within the U.S. territory, regardless of their parents' immigration status, due to the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. However, there are a few established exceptions:

• Children of foreign diplomats: Individuals born in the U.S. whose parents are foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are thus not granted birthright citizenship.
• Children of hostile occupying forces: Children born to soldiers of an enemy army during a hostile occupation of U.S. territory are also not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted birthright citizenship.
• Individuals born in American Samoa: The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that individuals born in the unincorporated territory of American Samoa are not automatically granted birthright citizenship, but are considered "non-citizen nationals" unless Congress enacts legislation granting them citizenship.
• Individuals born on foreign public ships: Children born on foreign warships visiting a U.S. port are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted citizenship.

Note: It's important to be aware of recent legal challenges to birthright citizenship in the U.S., particularly concerning children born to undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status. The legality of an executive order attempting to restrict birthright citizenship in these cases is currently being reviewed by the Supreme Court.

why would democrats not accept this?

don't get me wrong. I think there are ways for the SC to find people who break the law getting here are not covered, but the purpose of the 14th was to prevent the South (or presumably anyone) from using share croppers who are not citizens with protection of law.

 

[Robert W]

excluding babies was one on the things most of the "justices" found absurd in Team Trump's arguments.

Quote the court making such a statement.

 

[Robert W]

why would democrats not accept this?

Democrats fight only for Foreigners.

 

[bendog]

Democrats fight only for Foreigners.

fuck you robert. I'm related to dems who gave their lives for you

 

[bendog]

Quote the court making such a statement.

I posted a link earlier, but you'd have to read it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Democrats don't admit it but there are a good number of babies not awarded citizenship already in the laws of this country.
In the United States, birthright citizenship is generally guaranteed to all persons born within the U.S. territory, regardless of their parents' immigration status, due to the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution. However, there are a few established exceptions:

• Children of foreign diplomats: Individuals born in the U.S. whose parents are foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are thus not granted birthright citizenship.
• Children of hostile occupying forces: Children born to soldiers of an enemy army during a hostile occupation of U.S. territory are also not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted birthright citizenship.
• Individuals born in American Samoa: The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that individuals born in the unincorporated territory of American Samoa are not automatically granted birthright citizenship, but are considered "non-citizen nationals" unless Congress enacts legislation granting them citizenship.
• Individuals born on foreign public ships: Children born on foreign warships visiting a U.S. port are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and are not granted citizenship.

Note: It's important to be aware of recent legal challenges to birthright citizenship in the U.S., particularly concerning children born to undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status. The legality of an executive order attempting to restrict birthright citizenship in these cases is currently being reviewed by the Supreme Court.

Again I am 100% certain neither the Founders nor the authors of the 14th Amendment intended that children born to visitors or those on other short term visas would be citizens of the USA. That is why the clause 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' was included in the 14th Amendment.

The purpose of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to those black Americans born on U.S. soil and had no home country to return to. They certainly did not intend for it to be interpreted that the poor and opportunistic of the entire world come here to have their babies and thereby forever be allowed to stay here in perpetuity.

 

[Delldude]

Would it be OK with you, Mr. Speculation, if we just wait and see?

Post 27 you gave an interpretation which is speculation.

 

[WEATHER53]

fuck you robert. I'm related to dems who gave their lives for you

Dems do in fact, baby outburst, push for illegals and criminals far More than the productive and lawful
If that causes you to outburst then work to change that