Bill of Rights

[presonorek]

Oh, I get it now. You're a Reid Hoffman employee pretending to be a Russian Bot.

BUSTED!! You got me. I didn't think anybody would find out. Boy is Reid going to be pissed at me for blowing my cover.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?

The 2nd Amendment allows citizens to own nuclear bombs.

The 4th Amendment prohibits road blocks designed to catch drunk drivers.

The 5th Amendment allows people to ignore questions from cops.

Americans aren't the same in 2019 as they were in 1789. There were no nuclear bombs to consider. There were no intoxicated persons driving 2000 lb. hunks of metal at 60mph. There were no police officers. (Maybe a sheriff or two but not a police force like we know today) I think all Americans agree that you shouldn't own nuclear weapons, cops should capture drunk drivers and people should answer cops questions. However, aren't the Bill of Rights written in stone so to speak? They can't ever be removed? or can they? Most Americans in 2019 disagree with the objective if the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment.

I call Shenanigans.

Please provide a link to anyone other than a fringe kook who thinks individuals should have nuclear bombs.

It was our fringe kook forefathers who thought the people should be militarily capable of defeating the government if it ever stopped too far out of bounds. We as Americans don't believe that any more.

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It is Illegal for a citizen to own a nuke and it is perfectly legal to enforce that law Strategic weapons are not personal weapons.In the Constitution it is illegal for a State to own an armed Naval vessel which in 1789 was the only strategic weapon we had. So no stretch to include individuals in that ban. Be specific and list for us ANY Judge that disagrees? As for road blocks they also are perfectly legal nd YES cops can ask for and recieve ID if you don't provide it they can hold you till they establish your identity also perfectly legal.

Courts have disagreed with your finding.

No they have not or perhaps you can link to the court case that allows me to own a nuke?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I call Shenanigans.

Please provide a link to anyone other than a fringe kook who thinks individuals should have nuclear bombs.

It was our fringe kook forefathers who thought the people should be militarily capable of defeating the government if it ever stopped too far out of bounds. We as Americans don't believe that any more.

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It is Illegal for a citizen to own a nuke and it is perfectly legal to enforce that law Strategic weapons are not personal weapons.In the Constitution it is illegal for a State to own an armed Naval vessel which in 1789 was the only strategic weapon we had. So no stretch to include individuals in that ban. Be specific and list for us ANY Judge that disagrees? As for road blocks they also are perfectly legal nd YES cops can ask for and recieve ID if you don't provide it they can hold you till they establish your identity also perfectly legal.

Courts have disagreed with your finding.

Really? Link to a court decision that says individuals have the right to own a nuclear bomb?

Road blocks for the purpose of seizing drugs has been determined illegal.

You said all roadblocks were illegal and they are not.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?

The 2nd Amendment allows citizens to own nuclear bombs.

The 4th Amendment prohibits road blocks designed to catch drunk drivers.

The 5th Amendment allows people to ignore questions from cops.

Americans aren't the same in 2019 as they were in 1789. There were no nuclear bombs to consider. There were no intoxicated persons driving 2000 lb. hunks of metal at 60mph. There were no police officers. (Maybe a sheriff or two but not a police force like we know today) I think all Americans agree that you shouldn't own nuclear weapons, cops should capture drunk drivers and people should answer cops questions. However, aren't the Bill of Rights written in stone so to speak? They can't ever be removed? or can they? Most Americans in 2019 disagree with the objective if the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment.

And the First Amendment allows everyone to post ignorant, ridiculous nonsense such as this.

 

[Indeependent]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?

The 2nd Amendment allows citizens to own nuclear bombs.

The 4th Amendment prohibits road blocks designed to catch drunk drivers.

The 5th Amendment allows people to ignore questions from cops.

Americans aren't the same in 2019 as they were in 1789. There were no nuclear bombs to consider. There were no intoxicated persons driving 2000 lb. hunks of metal at 60mph. There were no police officers. (Maybe a sheriff or two but not a police force like we know today) I think all Americans agree that you shouldn't own nuclear weapons, cops should capture drunk drivers and people should answer cops questions. However, aren't the Bill of Rights written in stone so to speak? They can't ever be removed? or can they? Most Americans in 2019 disagree with the objective if the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment.

I call Shenanigans.

Please provide a link to anyone other than a fringe kook who thinks individuals should have nuclear bombs.

It was our fringe kook forefathers who thought the people should be militarily capable of defeating the government if it ever stopped too far out of bounds. We as Americans don't believe that any more.

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You're a blithering moron.

Keep and bear arms refers to personal weapons, not large ordnance such as cannons (or nuclear bombs). Learn something about history, swampy.

Did you see the part where I said we as Americans don't believe that any more?

Speak for yourself.
Oh wait!
You are speaking for yourself!

 

[presonorek]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?

The 2nd Amendment allows citizens to own nuclear bombs.

The 4th Amendment prohibits road blocks designed to catch drunk drivers.

The 5th Amendment allows people to ignore questions from cops.

Americans aren't the same in 2019 as they were in 1789. There were no nuclear bombs to consider. There were no intoxicated persons driving 2000 lb. hunks of metal at 60mph. There were no police officers. (Maybe a sheriff or two but not a police force like we know today) I think all Americans agree that you shouldn't own nuclear weapons, cops should capture drunk drivers and people should answer cops questions. However, aren't the Bill of Rights written in stone so to speak? They can't ever be removed? or can they? Most Americans in 2019 disagree with the objective if the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment.

And the First Amendment allows everyone to post ignorant, ridiculous nonsense such as this.

I think most Americans affirm the first amendment in its present form. I just think there are more Americans that disagree with the 2nd, 4th and 5th. Those are the ones that need to be rewritten to match the modern United States of America.

 

[JamesTheDick]

The new modern America ... Overly politically correct, religiously fueled, fuck the ten commandments, ohh wait ... I mean the bill of rights. Remember who's house you're in hotshot.

 

[JamesTheDick]

So ... our founding fathers had a vision, were pioneers in establishing this republic. Most were deists ... No personal God who mandates or or rather who pulls strings, with only occasional touch ups performed when needed ... They called that divine providence. Many were "free" Masons and when developing the constitution and writing down the bill of rights , there were many deliberations, discussions on wording, the brevity, simplicity, and purpose for each. Lets go through each one ...in written form original ... one by one and maybe then have a real discussion, given our current state of affairs and history. Hind sight is said to be 20/20 or is it 20/22 ... It could be ya know? Better understood if people actually had dialogues instead of ... I'm right right you're wrong, lets get on with the burning and churning, then get people so stirred up they don't if their coming or going. Seriously, It's ;like we've turned it all over to first year civic students still studying civics 101. Is there room for discussion, or are the kids so hellbent on rebellion, or so damned stubborn and prideful that they're willing to let this great nation fall?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?
The 2nd Amendment allows citizens to own nuclear bombs.

False. 2A jurisprudence very clearly says otherwise.

The 4th Amendment prohibits road blocks designed to catch drunk drivers.

False. DUI checkpoints are common.

The 5th Amendment allows people to ignore questions from cops.

True. So what?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Amendments can be repealed without changing anything

What???

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It was our fringe kook forefathers who thought the people should be militarily capable of defeating the government if it ever stopped too far out of bounds. We as Americans don't believe that any more.

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It is Illegal for a citizen to own a nuke and it is perfectly legal to enforce that law Strategic weapons are not personal weapons.In the Constitution it is illegal for a State to own an armed Naval vessel which in 1789 was the only strategic weapon we had. So no stretch to include individuals in that ban. Be specific and list for us ANY Judge that disagrees? As for road blocks they also are perfectly legal nd YES cops can ask for and recieve ID if you don't provide it they can hold you till they establish your identity also perfectly legal.

Courts have disagreed with your finding.

Really? Link to a court decision that says individuals have the right to own a nuclear bomb?

Road blocks for the purpose of seizing drugs has been determined illegal.

You said all roadblocks were illegal and they are not.

They should be. They are clear violations of the Fourth Amendment.

 

[regent]

Perhaps some amendments should come with an expiration date. Customs and traditions change as people change and some should go through a renewal process after a time period.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Perhaps some amendments should come with an expiration date. Customs and traditions change as people change and some should go through a renewal process after a time period.

Nonsense.

That's what the courts are for.

 

[regent]

Perhaps some amendments should come with an expiration date. Customs and traditions change as people change and some should go through a renewal process after a time period.

Nonsense.

That's what the courts are for.

How many amendments have the court's declared expired because their time has run out?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Perhaps some amendments should come with an expiration date. Customs and traditions change as people change and some should go through a renewal process after a time period.

Nonsense.

That's what the courts are for.

Actually, that is what the Amendment process is for.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Perhaps some amendments should come with an expiration date. Customs and traditions change as people change and some should go through a renewal process after a time period.

Nonsense.

That's what the courts are for.

How many amendments have the court's declared expired because their time has run out?

Amendments do not expire.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Perhaps some amendments should come with an expiration date. Customs and traditions change as people change and some should go through a renewal process after a time period.

The Constitution has a provision for this - see Article V

 

[dblack]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?

I sure hope not. I know a lot of nitwits are clamoring for it, but I'll fight them tooth and nail.

 

[dblack]

I think most Americans affirm the first amendment in its present form. I just think there are more Americans that disagree with the 2nd, 4th and 5th. Those are the ones that need to be rewritten to match the modern United States of America.

Well, you'll have to go through the amendment process which is deliberately onerous. The founders knew the country would face trials that would tempt many people to give up fundamental freedoms in exchange for empty promises of security. And they wanted to make it hard for you to fuck things up. Good luck!

 

[TNHarley]

Can the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment ever be changed without creating a new government?

The 2nd Amendment allows citizens to own nuclear bombs.

The 4th Amendment prohibits road blocks designed to catch drunk drivers.

The 5th Amendment allows people to ignore questions from cops.

Americans aren't the same in 2019 as they were in 1789. There were no nuclear bombs to consider. There were no intoxicated persons driving 2000 lb. hunks of metal at 60mph. There were no police officers. (Maybe a sheriff or two but not a police force like we know today) I think all Americans agree that you shouldn't own nuclear weapons, cops should capture drunk drivers and people should answer cops questions. However, aren't the Bill of Rights written in stone so to speak? They can't ever be removed? or can they? Most Americans in 2019 disagree with the objective if the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment.

I call Shenanigans.

Please provide a link to anyone other than a fringe kook who thinks individuals should have nuclear bombs.

It was our fringe kook forefathers who thought the people should be militarily capable of defeating the government if it ever stopped too far out of bounds. We as Americans don't believe that any more.

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It is Illegal for a citizen to own a nuke and it is perfectly legal to enforce that law Strategic weapons are not personal weapons.In the Constitution it is illegal for a State to own an armed Naval vessel which in 1789 was the only strategic weapon we had. So no stretch to include individuals in that ban. Be specific and list for us ANY Judge that disagrees? As for road blocks they also are perfectly legal nd YES cops can ask for and recieve ID if you don't provide it they can hold you till they establish your identity also perfectly legal.

Please cite the law that makes nuclear arms illegal in regards to citizenship ownership.