‘I’m Not Jumping in After You’: Arizona Cops ‘Stood and Watched’ Black Man Drown

[Divine Wind]

I can pretty much guarantee that if the actual facts of this case were presented there would be no settlement and the cops would be exonerated. Of course it would require a forensics team to make the determination.

What forensics? That Sean was mentally ill? The police department policies, training and equipment?

I strongly doubt the outcome would have been different had a homeless white man jumped off the wall, into deep water and swam 30-40 yards away.

Those comparing the dog story carefully don't mention the water depth or other circumstances, but the video of the tragedy clearly indicates it was deep water and a long distance to swim.

 

[Divine Wind]

MAGATs will take their family along on their boat ride to Hell.

I expect more than a few of them will do exactly that: murder/suicide.

The high number of misogynistic MAGA males online indicates this is true; they hate their spouses and are more likely to murder them as the links below indicate.

This ties into this thread as a mental health issue. The homeless victim's actions clearly indicated mental instability. The investigation and lawsuit not only pointed out this problem but also the city's responsibility in using "street cops" to handle mental crisis victims....something for which they are not well trained.

How Conservative Policies and Rhetoric Kill People

Study after study says it: Right-wing policies and rhetoric lead to more homicides and suicides. Why don’t more people know this?

newrepublic.com

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115608/documents/HHRG-118-GO00-20230329-SD008.pdf

The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.

 

[Woodznutz]

What forensics? That Sean was mentally ill? The police department policies, training and equipment?

Yup, those included.

I strongly doubt the outcome would have been different had a homeless white man jumped off the wall, into deep water and swam 30-40 yards away.

Totally agree.

Those comparing the dog story carefully don't mention the water depth or other circumstances, but the video of the tragedy clearly indicates it was deep water and a long distance to swim.

That's a key fact.

The whole issue boils down to the fact that the cops didn't have the means to save the man. That is the fault of the department, not the cops. But I don't see a lawsuit there either.

Was the BMI of the man ever mentioned?

 

[Divine Wind]

The whole issue boils down to the fact that the cops didn't have the means to save the man. That is the fault of the department, not the cops. But I don't see a lawsuit there either.

Was the BMI of the man ever mentioned?

Agreed on the department fault, but that goes to taxes. Cops aren't supermen. Expecting a cop to be a fireman, hostage negotiator, mental health expert along with being prepared to confront violent criminals is excessive, IMO. Better to have other experts on call like a fire department and a mental health squad.

If you mean body mass, no, but the pictures indicate he was a very large man, tall and a typically overweight American.

New footage released shows Arizona cops refusing to save a drowning man

The videos and transcripts have been released showing the last few moments of Sean Bickings' life as he struggled to stay afloat. Fox29 explained that the police were called to handle a domestic violence situation, but both Bickings and his wife said that they didn't make a call and nothing...

www.rawstory.com

 

[Woodznutz]

The key question is whether a "sworn commanding officer" was present at the scene who could have authorized the removal of an officer's uniform in order to safely rescue the drowning man.

Application to drowning rescue
In a life-threatening situation like a drowning rescue, an officer’s primary duty is to save a life. If wearing the full uniform (e.g., jacket, vest, or other equipment) would hinder mobility, visibility, or access to rescue tools, a commander could reasonably authorize removal of those items. This would fall under the “extraordinary circumstances” exception, as the officer’s safety and the victim’s life take precedence over uniform compliance.

Key points for officers

• Officers must still wear the badge and rank insignia in view when on duty, even if part of the uniform is removed uploads.teachablecdn.com.
• Any deviation from uniform standards must be authorized by a sworn commander.
• The decision should be made quickly and in the officer’s best judgment to ensure effective rescue.

In short, CPD policy permits removing parts of the uniform in emergencies when a sworn commander authorizes it for extraordinary circumstances, and a drowning rescue scenario would likely qualify under that exception.

 

[Woodznutz]

Agreed on the department fault, but that goes to taxes. Cops aren't supermen. Expecting a cop to be a fireman, hostage negotiator, mental health expert along with being prepared to confront violent criminals is excessive, IMO. Better to have other experts on call like a fire department and a mental health squad.

If you mean body mass, no, but the pictures indicate he was a very large man, tall and a typically overweight American.

New footage released shows Arizona cops refusing to save a drowning man

The videos and transcripts have been released showing the last few moments of Sean Bickings' life as he struggled to stay afloat. Fox29 explained that the police were called to handle a domestic violence situation, but both Bickings and his wife said that they didn't make a call and nothing...

www.rawstory.com

Even a strong swimmer would have a hard time overcoming the drag of clothing and shoes, which includes the officers. And even if an officer reached him in the water it is doubtful that he would have complied with instructions, which of course would have led to both men drowning.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's unlikely that article would have been written.

And if you didn't have an algorithm curated by foreign bots to feed the white wing manufactured outrage, you likely never would have seen it.

 

[GLASNOST]

‘I’m Not Jumping in After You’: Arizona Cops ‘Stood and Watched’ Black Man Drown​

I saw the title of this thread and without reading it I had an odd feeling. A “what if” feeling. Let’s say two cops (one white, one black) go to an address to question a white female witness. One thing leads to another and she decides she wants to screw both cops. So, the black cop does her but when it’s the other cop’s turn, he says to his partner, ‘I’m Not Jumping in After You’. Will the white cop get charged for making a racist remark?