Biggest causes of genocide?

[koshergrl]

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Eisenhower mass-deported Mexicans in Operation Wetback.

Now, what major genocide, war event etc. did Eisenhower foster that was so bad?

I don't think DocIsDumb knows what the word *genocide* means.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

 

[José]

Originally posted by koshergrl
Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

He's trying to equate nationalism to racial supremacy.

This is what the post WWII western world have indoctrinated him to believe:

Nazism is not a perversion of nationalism but its innevitable result.

Contrary to all available evidence, the post WWII world tries to convince westerners that genocide is the rule rather than the exception in nationalism in white nations.

So we must start a process of genocide to avoid a future genocide.

Go figure.

 

[koshergrl]

Genocide:
"Beginning in 1915, ethnic Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were rounded up, deported and executed on orders of the government."

"After coming to power in 1933, Germany's Nazi Party implemented a highly organized strategy of persecution, murder and genocide aimed at ethnically "purifying" Germany, a plan Hitler called the “Final Solution”.

"Six million Jews and five million Slavs, Roma, disabled, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and political and religious dissidents were killed during the Holocaust."

"When the Khmer Rouge took control of the Cambodian government in 1975 they began a "re-education" campaign targeting political dissidents.

"These citizens, including doctors, teachers and students suspected of receiving education were singled out for torture at the notorious Tuol Sleng prison."

"Approximately 800,000 Tutsis and Hutu moderates were slaughtered in a carefully organized program of genocide over 100 days, making history as the quickest killing spree the world has ever seen."

"The Serbs targeted Bosniak and Croatian civilians in areas under their control in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. The war in Bosnia claimed the lives of an estimated 100,000 people."

"Over a decade ago the Government of Sudan carried out genocide against Darfuri civilians, murdering 300,000..."

Past Genocides - Armenia, Holocaust, Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur

This site does reference the decimation of the Indian population in North America...but they rightly do not refer to it as a GENOCIDE because except for one or two universally reviled instances, Indians were not targeted for decimation any more than we targeted the nazis for *genocide* when we went to war with them.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Eisenhower mass-deported Mexicans in Operation Wetback.

Now, what major genocide, war event etc. did Eisenhower foster that was so bad?

I have not claimed that every nationalistic government or policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however, is a different story. Every genocide has been driven by nationalism.

 

[koshergrl]

Originally posted by koshergrl
Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

He's trying to equate nationalism to racial supremacy.

This is what the post WWII western world have indoctrinated him to believe:

Nazism is not a perversion of nationalism but its innevitable result.

Contrary to all available evidence, the post WWII world tries to convince westerners that genocide is the rule rather than the exception to nationalism in white nations.

So we must start a process of genocide to avoid a future genocide.

Go figure.

I know but he's clumsy and stupid, and so fails.

 

[koshergrl]

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Eisenhower mass-deported Mexicans in Operation Wetback.

Now, what major genocide, war event etc. did Eisenhower foster that was so bad?

I have not claimed that every nationalistic government or policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however, is a different story. Every genocide has been driven by nationalism.

No, every genocide has been driven by a tyrant who tricks imbeciles like you into supporting human rights violations.

 

[José]

Originally posted by koshergrl
I know but he's clumsy and stupid, and so fails.

You don't see the supporters of the genocidal ideology of multiracialism protesting in front of Asian and African embassies, demmanding China, Japan, Nigeria, etc... to increase their "racial diversity" (code word for genocide), to import millions of foreigners.

According to the supporters of this bestiality, this genocidal monstrosity thinly disguised as an ideology, all nationalisms have the potential to generate genocides, but strangely enough, only nationalism in white majority countries must be targeted for extermination.

This is the moment when the real goal behind their "benign" ideology is suddenly revealed.

 

[TNHarley]

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

Im sorry but that just doesnt sound like nationalism. That sounds like psychopathy.
Im fairly positive there are several meanings for the word. Maybe we are just focusing on different ones.
Ive never once heard it means you label your own people enemies simply because they are different.

It doesn't have to be "your own people".

But nationalism requires an enemy. It cannot exist without conflict.

Thats malarkey man

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

Im sorry but that just doesnt sound like nationalism. That sounds like psychopathy.
Im fairly positive there are several meanings for the word. Maybe we are just focusing on different ones.
Ive never once heard it means you label your own people enemies simply because they are different.

It doesn't have to be "your own people".

But nationalism requires an enemy. It cannot exist without conflict.

Thats malarkey man

Nope.

That's the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

Patriotism requires that you love your country.

Nationalism requires an enemy to fight against.

 

[eagle1462010]

Man's quest for Power, Greed, Land, or dominion of an Ideology................are primary factors.......

Dictators being a prime example slaughtering their own to maintain power being some of the largest in History.

Anyone perceived as a threat to their power would be eliminated.............

They are also caused by Hate especially after Wars to exact revenge on those they fought.

They are crimes against Humanity..........and are historically the evil exacted on each other throughout history.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

 

[koshergrl]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

That's what he's saying. Anybody who has ever said they want what's best for their country is a *nationalist* the way docisdumb sees it.

It's just his way of smearing American Patriots.

 

[eagle1462010]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

Mao policies of going to Industrialization put people in jobs with no skills and took them out of the farming duties they usually worked on..........Ad in a drought and Typhoons the food crops died and they couldn't feed their people.

Nearly 45 million died as a result of Mao policies.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

There is a lot of truth to that statement, I'm sure. I'm not a philosopher.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

No shit.

What better way to build a new "nation" than destroy the traces of what came before?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

Mao policies of going to Industrialization put people in jobs with no skills and took them out of the farming duties they usually worked on..........Ad in a drought and Typhoons the food crops died and they couldn't feed their people.

Nearly 45 million died as a result of Mao policies.

Yes, yes. Mao is evil, etc, etc.

No one is debating that.

We all agree. Mao was, in the ways that matter, as bad as Hitler or Stalin.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Eisenhower mass-deported Mexicans in Operation Wetback.

Now, what major genocide, war event etc. did Eisenhower foster that was so bad?

I have not claimed that every nationalistic government or policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however, is a different story. Every genocide has been driven by nationalism.

Take 2.)
I have not claimed that every Human government, or policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however, is a different story. Every genocide has been driven by Humans.

Take 3.)
I have not claimed that every greedy government, or policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however is a different story, every genocide has been driven by greed.

Take 4.)
I have not claimed that different cultures meeting in policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however is a different story, every time there's been genocide there's been a clash of cultures.

Take 5.)
I have no claimed that different weapons meeting in policy has led to genocide.

The inverse, however is a different story, every time there's been a genocide there's been weapons involved.

So?

Take 1 (Your comment) might tell us that Nations are a problem, and thus must be liquidated.

Take 2 (My mockery) might tell us we can believe that perhaps "Humans" are a problem, and thus must be liquidated.

Take 3 ( My mockery) might tell us we can believe that perhaps "Money + Trade, and Barter" are a problem, and thus must be liquidated.

Take 4 (My mockery) might tell us we can believe that perhaps " Cultures" are a problem, and thus must be liquidated.

Take 5 (My mockery) might tell us that we can believe that perhaps "Weapons" are a problem, and thus must be liquidated.

Okay, this is basically an outline of Communist Psychopathy.

 

[eagle1462010]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

Mao policies of going to Industrialization put people in jobs with no skills and took them out of the farming duties they usually worked on..........Ad in a drought and Typhoons the food crops died and they couldn't feed their people.

Nearly 45 million died as a result of Mao policies.

Yes, yes. Mao is evil, etc, etc.

No one is debating that.

We all agree. Mao was, in the ways that matter, as bad as Hitler or Stalin.

So EVIL is part of it as well. 45 Million dead Chinese would agree as well.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

Every single genocide that has ever occurred in history was in pursuit of a nationalistic goal.

If you think the Communists were Nationalists, then basically everybody's a bunch of Nationalists to some degree.

The Communists in fact had a lot of anti-Nationalist sentiments, such as destroying cultural elements, like religion, or traditions in many cases.

Mao policies of going to Industrialization put people in jobs with no skills and took them out of the farming duties they usually worked on..........Ad in a drought and Typhoons the food crops died and they couldn't feed their people.

Nearly 45 million died as a result of Mao policies.

Yes, yes. Mao is evil, etc, etc.

No one is debating that.

We all agree. Mao was, in the ways that matter, as bad as Hitler or Stalin.

Humans are a bigger factor in genocide rather than Nationalism.

So, perhaps genocide is the answer that will solve the Human problem of genocide.

(Just kidding obviously)

 

[hjmick]

Ignorance and hate.