Biggest causes of genocide?

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd argue that the biggest causes of genocide, are these in this order.

1.) Love, and tolerance.

Well, love, and tolerance of authority figures.

2.) Apathy, and submission.

Well, apathy, and submission to authority figures.

3.) Trust, and Faith.

Well, trust, and faith in authority figures.

4.) Big government, and big military.

Well, you already kind of figured that, right?

5.) Balkanization, and Diversity.

Well, how do you solve such conflicts that blow up when caused by Balkanization, and Diversity, a lot of times genocide erupts.

6.) The Psycho-path leader himself.

Well, you probably figured he was #1, right?

Well, I disagree, I happen to see that all of the above enable him, and the masses are a bigger cause.

The Psychopath simply can't get away with very, very much in society like genocide, without his enablers.

Thus the enablers are more of an issue, in at least total numbers.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Soldiers go to war all the time, they are submissive / tolerant outright most of the time to the authority figure, in many cases this is how genocide starts.

That while populism can be used, then again populism couldn't be worked unless the masses submit, and tolerate it.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

India's got a lot of Nationalistic sentiments, so has Poland, Italy, Slovakia, Estonia, Finland, and Greece countries which never committed much genocide historically, and are some of the most rebellious against Muslims now-a-days.

Not saying that Nationalism isn't there to be used.

However, look at the biggest genocide perps, they are usually the more submissive, tolerant, obedient, and, or apathetic of Humanity, like Germans, like theJapanese, etc.

 

[TNHarley]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

There's a lot of things that can be used to push a genocide, Nationalism could be, but what about anti-Nationalism?

Lenin was anti-Nationalist Russian when he exterminated about 6 - 16 million Russians in a violent civil war.

Stalin was against anti-Nationalist in the Polish Operation of the NKVD for their pro-Polish Nationalist sentiments of over 100,000 Poles shot, and killed.

Stalin was anti-Nationalist German when pushed forward ethnic cleansing of Germans following WW2, with perhaps 500,000 Germans killed after the war.

That yes, anti-Nationalism can be used to further genocide goals too, no?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

There's a lot of things that can be used to push a genocide, Nationalism could be, but what about anti-Nationalism?

Lenin was anti-Nationalist Russian when he exterminated about 6 - 16 million Russians in a violent civil war.

Stalin was against anti-Nationalist in the Polish Operation of the NKVD for their pro-Polish Nationalist sentiments of over 100,000 Poles shot, and killed.

Stalin was anti-Nationalist German when pushed forward ethnic cleansing of Germans following WW2, with perhaps 500,000 Germans killed after the war.

That yes, anti-Nationalism can be used to further genocide goals too, no?

"Anti-nationalism" isn't a real thing.

If a nationalist state kills members of a different nationalist state, that doesn't make them "anti-nationalist".

 

[TNHarley]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Does this bring some evidence for what I'm touting of?

This article finds "Agreeable" people are more likely to commit poor acts, and yes this could be implicated with genocide, isn't that akin with "Tolerance" usually?

Psychologists Have Uncovered a Troubling Feature of People Who Seem Nice All the Time

The news: A new Milgram-like experiment published this month in the Journal of Personality has taken this idea to the next step by trying to understand which kinds of people are more or less willing to obey these kinds of orders. What researchers discovered was surprising: Those who are described as "agreeable, conscientious personalities" are more likely to follow orders and deliver electric shocks that they believe can harm innocent people, while "more contrarian, less agreeable personalities" are more likely to refuse to hurt others.

The methodology and findings: For an eight-month period, the researchers interviewed the study participants to gauge their social personality, as well as their personal history and political leanings. When they matched this data to the participants' behavior during the experiment, a distinct pattern emerged: People who were normally friendly followed orders because they didn't want to upset others, while those who were described as unfriendly stuck up for themselves.

"The irony is that a personality disposition normally seen as antisocial — disagreeableness — may actually be linked to 'pro-social' behavior,'" writes Psychology Today's Kenneth Worthy. "This connection seems to arise from a willingness to sacrifice one's popularity a bit to act in a moral and just way toward other people, animals or the environment at large. Popularity, in the end, may be more a sign of social graces and perhaps a desire to fit in than any kind of moral superiority."

 

[there4eyeM]

The gentlest term that can be offered as a 'reason' is "ignorance".
"Vile and inhuman stupidity for which there is absolutely no justification" is perhaps less gentle.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

Not really, the Wiki definition doesn't fit it very well.

That Nationalism is hyper ethno centric, for religion, for race,culture etc.

If we examin the Soviets, or Maoists, than they were anti-religion, weren't real ethno-entircs, and actually watered down a lot of culture, in general.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry

 

[TNHarley]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Okay, so here's something supporting that yes, "Authoritarians, tend to submit to Authority"

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ty-Scale-as-a-measure-of-authoritarianism.pdf

mension of authoritarianism does not exist (Ray & Lovejoy, 1990). In an extensive reconceptuali/ation of the authoritarian personality, Altemeyer (1981, 1988) proposed that authoritarianism is composed of three clusters: authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, and conventionalism. Authoritarian submission focuses on the extent that an individual yields to the will of established authorities. Authoritarian aggression refers to an individual s judgment of the degree of hostility and punitiveness that is acceptable to authorities. Finally, conventionalism involves an individual's loyalty to social norms and conventions. Altemeyer's conceptualization of authoritarianism contributes to efforts to more clearly explore how various components of authoritarianism influence behavior. Inappropriate Submissiveness to Authority This study is concerned with Altemeyer's first authoritarian cluster—submission to authority. Prior research in this area provides some interesting insights that may be relevant to workplaee settings. For example, Higgins and McCann (1984) found that psychology students high in authoritarianism were more likely to distort information they presented to a person with authority than they were to a person without authority. The results provide evidence that suggests individuals high in authoritarianism submitted to the authority by presenting the information they thought the authority wanted to hear.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

Not really, the Wiki definition doesn't fit it very well.

That Nationalism is hyper ethno centric, for religion, for race,culture etc.

If we examin the Soviets, or Maoists, than they were anti-religion, weren't real ethno-entircs, and actually watered down a lot of culture, in general.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry

Ummm...

If you think that Mao wasn't "ethno-centric", you're missing a big part of history.

But you should also read your cut-and-paste a little more thoroughly.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Gun confiscation by the offending government.

 

[TNHarley]

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

 

[José]

theDoctorIsIn is expressing the ways of thinking that have dominated western countries since the end of WWII:

White nationalism caused the worst carnage in human history, so nationalism in european countries as well as in America, Canada, etc... must be erradicated.

Those countries must have their white majorities destroyed or at the very least greatly reduced through immigration from non-white countries.

Additionally the youth in those countries must be subjected to a propaganda bombardment glamourizing race mixing and non-white popular culture.