Biggest causes of genocide?

[theDoctorisIn]

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

 

[koshergrl]

The answer is populism and nationalism.

Atheism and progressivism.

 

[koshergrl]

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So it's communism. Got it.

 

[TNHarley]

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

 

[José]

So this is the big irony behind the paradigms created by WWII:

In order to prevent a future genocide perpetrated by a given white country we must carry on the genocide of their populations.

 

[Synthaholic]

Biggest causes of genocide?


Murder?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

 

[TNHarley]

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So it's communism. Got it.

Basically every communist government fits into the umbrella of nationalism, yes.

But you fit right in that definition, too.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Putting your country as a high priority leads to genocide of your country? LMFAO

No, it usually results in genocides against those labelled as "enemies".

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

Not really, the Wiki definition doesn't fit it very well.

That Nationalism is hyper ethno centric, for religion, for race,culture etc.

If we examin the Soviets, or Maoists, than they were anti-religion, weren't real ethno-entircs, and actually watered down a lot of culture, in general.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry

Ummm...

If you think that Mao wasn't "ethno-centric", you're missing a big part of history.

But you should also read your cut-and-paste a little more thoroughly.

Mao purged cultural religions / cultural philosophy practices, and beliefs ancient to China like Confucius, Buddhism, or the Tao etc.

Explain how that's Nationalistic?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So it's communism. Got it.

Basically every communist government fits into the umbrella of nationalism, yes.

But you fit right in that definition, too.

Basically every country before the 1970's was Nationalistic in comparison to today, LOL

 

[TNHarley]

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

Im sorry but that just doesnt sound like nationalism. That sounds like psychopathy.
Im fairly positive there are several meanings for the word. Maybe we are just focusing on different ones.
Ive never once heard it means you label your own people enemies simply because they are different.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

I think what makes Germans unique is not Nationalism, not anti-Semitism, or anything other than being submissive, apathetic, loving, and obedient towards authority.

Jozef Beck's Polish regime was Nationalism, and anti-Semitism, and was rebellious, being the first to fight the Nazis.

Horthy's Hungarian regime was Nationalism, and anti-Semitism, and was rebellious, ended up dragging it's feet against the Holocaust orders of Nazis.

Today Germans are still submissive, apathetic, loving, and obedient towards authority, now it's Merkel the Multiculturalist.

Today Poles, and Hungarians are still rebellious.

 

[José]

Originally posted by theDoctorIsIn
Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

Originally posted by José
Those countries must have their white majorities destroyed or at the very least greatly reduced through immigration from non-white countries.

 

[koshergrl]

Doc is per usual spinning his usual half dumb/half dishonest rhetoric.

There are lots and lots of nationalist countries that have never engaged in genocide.

There are no commie countries that haven't.

There are lots and lots of nationalist and CHRISTIAN countries that haven't engaged in genocide...and the US is the primary of those...

There are zero atheist countries that haven't engaged in genocide.

 

[koshergrl]

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

I think what makes Germans unique is not Nationalism, not anti-Semitism, or anything other than being submissive, apathetic, loving, and obedient towards authority.

Jozef Beck's Polish regime was Nationalism, and anti-Semitism, and was rebellious, being the first to fight the Nazis.

Horthy's Hungarian regime was Nationalism, and anti-Semitism, and was rebellious, ended up dragging it's feet against the Holocaust orders of Nazis.

Today Germans are still submissive, apathetic, loving, and obedient towards authority, now it's Merkel the Multiculturalist.

Today Poles, and Hungarians are still rebellious.

The Germans are generally of a pagan bent AND they are absolutely slavish in their devotion to *science* and *progress*.

Just like today's leftists.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

Im sorry but that just doesnt sound like nationalism. That sounds like psychopathy.
Im fairly positive there are several meanings for the word. Maybe we are just focusing on different ones.
Ive never once heard it means you label your own people enemies simply because they are different.

It doesn't have to be "your own people".

But nationalism requires an enemy. It cannot exist without conflict.

 

[koshergrl]

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

No, the problem is that people feel better when they have an "enemy" to hate - whether or not that "enemy" actually wants to kill them.

Jews weren't trying to kill the Germans, but that didn't stop the Germans from making them the enemy.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Do you see it now?

Im sorry but that just doesnt sound like nationalism. That sounds like psychopathy.
Im fairly positive there are several meanings for the word. Maybe we are just focusing on different ones.
Ive never once heard it means you label your own people enemies simply because they are different.

Doc is Stupid has no idea what he's blathering.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

So the problem is, humans have had a problem of looking at the enemy that wants to kill you, like an enemy that wants to kill you?

Illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't trying to kill you, but that doesn't stop you from making them the enemy.

Eisenhower mass-deported Mexicans in Operation Wetback.

Now, what major genocide, war event etc. did Eisenhower foster that was so bad?