Biden proposes banning vast majority of all guns.

[2aguy]

So the school shootings don't exist for you? If it was JUST gang bangers, no one would give a fuck, but it's not, but you refuse to acknowledge that. Why is that?

I know you are an idiot........I see your posts...

The question wasnt' about school shootings, it was about the lies used about "Child" deaths from guns......the study Lesh used was a lie....using 15-18 year old gang members and calling them "children," in order to lie to uninformed people who only see the word "Child," not hard core, criminal gang banger.....

You doofus.

 

[Lesh]

Nope....what you did was attempt at distracting from the truth.

When idiots like you say child in relation to gun deaths, you are lying to uninformed readers by implying those children are actual children.......the truth is, the vast majority of deaths by guns that you call "children," are 15-19 year old gang members engaged in drug trafficking, and killing rivals.......big fucking difference........and that is why you lie. You need to lie to uninformed people because if they knew that the majority of so called "children" were actually 18 year olds car jacking, selling drugs and shooting at each other, you couldn't stampede these uninformed people into giving you the gun bans and confiscation that you want.....

So you lie....you guys lie about every aspect of guns in the U.S....

You just claimed that the vast majority of gun deaths to children are gang members.

Prove it

 

[M14 Shooter]

Prove it

^^^
Oh, the irony

 

[martybegan]

So now you're infringing my rights by "context". Is that your final answer? lol

I am calling out your concern trolling gotcha attempt as just that.

Now go play in traffic.

 

[Lesh]

Oh and I was not wrong

Guns...No. 1 cause of death for kids

Guns now the leading cause of death for US children, CDC says

Firearms outpaced motor vehicle crashes to become the leading cause of death for children and adolescents in the U.S. in 2020, the most recent year with data available.

www.foxnews.com

 

[martybegan]

Oh and I was not wrong

Guns...No. 1 cause of death for kids

Guns now the leading cause of death for US children, CDC says

Firearms outpaced motor vehicle crashes to become the leading cause of death for children and adolescents in the U.S. in 2020, the most recent year with data available.

www.foxnews.com

As was stated before, if you remove children under 2, and count them as children up to 19.

 

[Lesh]

As was stated before, if you remove children under 2, and count them as children up to 19.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[M14 Shooter]

What the fuck are you talking about?

^^^
Oh, the irony

 

[martybegan]

What the fuck are you talking about?

The numbers used and the statistics used to get the "children" in the articles in question.

Next time read what the thread is based on, dipshit.

And I find it comical you are a proponent of disarming Americans when you use the Ukranian flag to show support for their armed people fighting a tyrannical government.

 

[Jaxson]

I know you are an idiot........I see your posts...

The question wasnt' about school shootings, it was about the lies used about "Child" deaths from guns......the study Lesh used was a lie....using 15-18 year old gang members and calling them "children," in order to lie to uninformed people who only see the word "Child," not hard core, criminal gang banger.....

You doofus.

Seems like you're trying to distract from the truth yourself, although I've read your posts, you seem quite irrational about guns. I asked some of the others this question, are nukes protected by the 2nd? Or do you think the restrictions put on them are ok?

 

[2aguy]

You just claimed that the vast majority of gun deaths to children are gang members.

Prove it

First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

Sorry...the health stats don't break down by criminal organization......which is how they get away with lying about the teenagers.....

 

[2aguy]

Seems like you're trying to distract from the truth yourself, although I've read your posts, you seem quite irrational about guns. I asked some of the others this question, are nukes protected by the 2nd? Or do you think the restrictions put on them are ok?

Nukes are not bearable arms you dumb ass.

 

[Jaxson]

I am calling out your concern trolling gotcha attempt as just that.

Now go play in traffic.

You're arguing to restrict arms, you get that, don't you? No gotcha shit, just pointing out that you're a hypocrite.

 

[2aguy]

As was stated before, if you remove children under 2, and count them as children up to 19.

In some of the studies they go up to age 26.......

 

[Jaxson]

First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

Sorry...the health stats don't break down by criminal organization......which is how they get away with lying about the teenagers.....

So basically, any amount of kids getting shot at school of any age is ok with you.

 

[Jaxson]

Nukes are not bearable arms you dumb ass.

So now you want to restrict on size? A dirty bomb can be put in a suitcase, so they're ok?

 

[2aguy]

You just claimed that the vast majority of gun deaths to children are gang members.

Prove it

Some evidence....

About 96 percent of victims and suspects in both homicides and nonfatal shootings were Black, despite Black residents comprising only 46 percent of the overall population in the District (Table 1).
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Approximately 86 percent of homicide victims and suspects were known to the criminal justice system prior to the incident. Among all victims and suspects, about 46 percent had been previously incarcerated (Figure 2).


At least 23.3 percent of all homicide victims and suspects were under active supervision (i.e., CSOSA, PSA, or DYRS)1. At least 64 percent of all victims and suspects had been under any prior or active supervision and at least 76% of homicide suspects had active or prior supervision.
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Overall, most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide. This count only refers to adult arrests and juvenile arrests were not included.
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In Washington, DC, most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors, including: involvement in street crews/groups; significant criminal justice history including prior or active community supervision; often prior victimization; and a connection to a recent shooting (within the past 12 months).
While the majority of people involved in shootings, as victim or suspect, are members or associates of street groups/gangs, the motive for the shooting may not be a traditional gang war. Often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now ubiquitous social media slight.
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This small number of very high risk individuals are identifiable, their violence is predictable, and therefore it is preventable. Based on the assessment of data and the series of interviews conducted, NICJR estimates that within a year, there are at least 500 identifiable people who rise to this level of very high risk, and likely no more than 200 at any one given time.


These individuals comprise approximately 60-70% of all gun violence in the District. Nealy 250 specific individuals were identified through the GVPA process but more importantly, the risk factors that make someone at very high risk has been identified in order to develop an on-going process to focus intervention efforts on those at very high risk.

https://cjcc.dc.gov/sites/default/f... Violence Problem Analysis Summary Report.pdf
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Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
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The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.
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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.
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A WND review of the Philadelphia Police Department Murder and Shooting Analysis for 2011 shows a similar pattern to that of other large cities in America – a majority of the murder victims have prior records.

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In Philadelphia in 2011, of 324 murders, 81 percent (263) of the victims had at least one prior arrest; 62 percent (164) had been arrested for a violent crime prior to their murder.
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In Newark, N.J., long considered one of America’s most dangerous cities, 85 percent of the 165 murder victims between 2009 and 2010 had serious arrest histories.
Anthony Braga, a professor with the Rutgers-Newark School of Criminal Justice, told the Newark Star-Ledger that 85 percent of 165 murder victims in Newark between 2009 and 2010 had been arrested at least once before they were killed.
Those victims, he said, had, on average, 10 prior arrests on their criminal records.
A WND review of the Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from 2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time period.






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Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?
Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.

We don’t have national figures that are of any use. For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed. One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related.

But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related. So those data are useless.


What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

 

[martybegan]

You're arguing to restrict arms, you get that, don't you? No gotcha shit, just pointing out that you're a hypocrite.

You're trying to concern troll actual people who support RKBA with making the argument that people want nukes.

It's childish and what I expect from gun grabbing idiots.

 

[2aguy]

So basically, any amount of kids getting shot at school of any age is ok with you.

How many of your stupid pills did you take today? You should try to limit them to only a dozen or so....cause they don't help you much.

 

[Lesh]

First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
----

In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
---
We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

Sorry...the health stats don't break down by criminal organization......which is how they get away with lying about the teenagers.....

So let’s parse out your bullshit.

A. You can’t substantiate your claim that most kids who are killed by guns are gang members.

B. You seem to think that any kid killed by guns that is over 16 “doesn’t count” somehow. I guarantor those kids and their parents and family/ friends they “count” very much.

C. Yes suicides count. Suicide attempts by gun are almost always successful. And those deaths hurt the victims and their families greatly