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Biden proposes banning vast majority of all guns.

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AR about ten seconds for a well trained shooter, modern revolver, about the same, pump or semi auto shotgun twelve to fifteen seconds. Winchester perhaps twenty to thirty seconds depending on how the shooter carry’s his ammo, bolt action rifle anywhere from five seconds for a military rifle like a Lee Enfield, 1903 Springfield, or Mauser 98K that use stripper clips to ten seconds for something like a Remington 700. If you want to see how fast a bolt action rifle can be loaded and fired look up “enfield rifle mad minute” on UTube.
A Lee Enfield is one particular type of bolt action rifle. Neither as fast to load nor to fire as an AR nor is it in any sense common.. And an AR does NOT take ten seconds to reload
 

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You protect kids in schools by providing proper, armed and trained security. Keeping external doors locked and controlling access points.
Prisons? How about address the problem--mental illness.
 

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A Lee Enfield is one particular type of bolt action rifle. Neither as fast to load nor to fire as an AR nor is it in any sense common.. And an AR does NOT take ten seconds to reload
Sorry, but I’ve put thousands of rounds through M16A1s and AR-15s over the decades. Ten seconds is a good time for a well-trained shooter to drop the old mag, pull a new one out of the pouch, seat it and release the bolt carrier and hit the forward assist to make sure the bolt is seated. A untrained shooter would take thirty seconds or more to go through the process. If you were firing from a bench, had your mags laid out and neglected the forward assist, you might beat the ten seconds, but I doubt it. Changing mags on an AR isn’t as simple as you imagine. First you have to move your right hand off the pistol grip to reach the mag release button with your index finger, then hope the empty mag falls free ( often they don’t unless they are very well worn), pull it out if it doesn’t fall free, then pick up the new mag With your left hand, seat it, slide your right hand in the other direction to hit the bolt release with your thumb, then either gamble that the bolt seated, or pull your right hand completely off the pistol grip, hit the forward assist with the heel of your hand, then return your hand to the pistol grip, reacquire your target and begin firing again.
With the Lee Enfield a British infantryman was required to fire fifteen to twenty AIMED rounds in a minute. That was the minimum, most could manage twenty easily and the record was thirty eight. Starting with a full ten round magazine, the minimum figure required reloading with at least one five round stripper clip and possibly two for twenty rounds. Not counting the reloading, that’s a round every three seconds, while operating a bolt action. Watch a video, it’s impressive.
 

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Third leading. Sorry



Yeah....it is a lie....gang members are not "Children" in any sense of the word....you idiot......


First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.


Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths
 

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Nope...guns are the leading cause of death of children
Yeah when you include 18 and 19 year old ADULTS in the stats they are
 

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A Lee Enfield is one particular type of bolt action rifle. Neither as fast to load nor to fire as an AR nor is it in any sense common.. And an AR does NOT take ten seconds to reload
An AR is just another semiautomatic rifle no different in any way but cosmetics from any other semiautomatic rifle
 

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Tackled by who? A ten year old? The teacher would be the first killed if ammo was limited.
Ya, let's just sit on our hands and do nothing. Owning big ass guns is more important than child safety at school. GAWD! You're an idiot!
 

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You protect kids in schools by providing proper, armed and trained security. Keeping external doors locked and controlling access points.
So like a prison, that's how our children should go to school? GAWD, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
 

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Jaxson

they wouldn’t leave revolvers alone since they can be reloaded with speedloaders about as fast as a semiauto can by magazine change.

They would move onto those next.
 

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Translate: I surrender and want to infringe your rights.

No, it means you have no real argument, and have to resort to logical fallacies.
 

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Yeah....it is a lie....gang members are not "Children" in any sense of the word....you idiot......


First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.


Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths
So we should not care about 17-18 year old kids being killed and should not care about suicides?
 

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So we should not care about 17-18 year old kids being killed and should not care about suicides?

Considering most in that age bracket are probably gangbangers and being killed in Dem shitholes, evidently not caring is part of the Progressive package.

A person can just as easily kill themself by hopping in front of a train or truck as with a firearm.
 

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it's not a logical fallacy that you want to restrict people's right to bear arms. It's a fact.

That's all it is.

A nuke isn't an "arm", and also isn't something as common as a semi-automatic weapon is.

So all you are doing is argumentum ad absurdum, and not realizing it, either by choice or by stupidity.

All you SJW twats have is pathetic attempted "gotcha" moments, not one of you can actually debate competently.
 

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So like a prison, that's how our children should go to school? GAWD, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
You are an idiot. Prisons have security to KEEP PEOPLE IN, schools need security TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT. No one that isn't a student, staff member or teacher should be on a campus period.
 

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