Biden proposes banning vast majority of all guns.

[2aguy]

So let’s parse out your bullshit.

A. You can’t substantiate your claim that most kids who are killed by guns are gang members.

B. You seem to think that any kid killed by guns that is over 16 “doesn’t count” somehow. I guarantor those kids and their parents and family/ friends they “count” very much.

C. Yes suicides count. Suicide attempts by gun are almost always successful. And those deaths hurt the victims and their families greatly

Yeah...here......this is why I continue to engage morons like you.....I get to find more information on various topics...

Unlike homi- cides of children under age 12, relatively few homicides of teenagers (9 percent) are committed by family members (figure 8).4 The percentage of homicide victims mur- dered by other youth is much larger for teenagers (figure 9) than for victims younger than 12. Nonetheless, two-thirds of teenage homicide victims are killed by adults. The murderers of teenagers are pre- dominantly young (figure 9), but only a minority are younger than 18.
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expansion of gang activity, spread of crack cocaine and drug market competition,
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Some of the increase in teens’ gun use during that period may have been connect- ed to the drug trade and a perceived need to protect valuable drugs and money. The cycle of gun use accelerated as additional youth acquired guns to protect them- selves from other armed youth.
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that gangs and drugs remained a part of many killings of teens (gangs in 29 percent and drugs in 6 percent of homicides) (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1997).

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And before you try to claim moral high ground......you source lied about the word, "Child," in order to stampede uninformed people into believing their bullshit.........

 

[Lesh]

Some evidence....

About 96 percent of victims and suspects in both homicides and nonfatal shootings were Black, despite Black residents comprising only 46 percent of the overall population in the District (Table 1).
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Approximately 86 percent of homicide victims and suspects were known to the criminal justice system prior to the incident. Among all victims and suspects, about 46 percent had been previously incarcerated (Figure 2).


At least 23.3 percent of all homicide victims and suspects were under active supervision (i.e., CSOSA, PSA, or DYRS)1. At least 64 percent of all victims and suspects had been under any prior or active supervision and at least 76% of homicide suspects had active or prior supervision.
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Overall, most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide. This count only refers to adult arrests and juvenile arrests were not included.
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In Washington, DC, most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors, including: involvement in street crews/groups; significant criminal justice history including prior or active community supervision; often prior victimization; and a connection to a recent shooting (within the past 12 months).
While the majority of people involved in shootings, as victim or suspect, are members or associates of street groups/gangs, the motive for the shooting may not be a traditional gang war. Often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now ubiquitous social media slight.
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This small number of very high risk individuals are identifiable, their violence is predictable, and therefore it is preventable. Based on the assessment of data and the series of interviews conducted, NICJR estimates that within a year, there are at least 500 identifiable people who rise to this level of very high risk, and likely no more than 200 at any one given time.


These individuals comprise approximately 60-70% of all gun violence in the District. Nealy 250 specific individuals were identified through the GVPA process but more importantly, the risk factors that make someone at very high risk has been identified in order to develop an on-going process to focus intervention efforts on those at very high risk.

https://cjcc.dc.gov/sites/default/f... Violence Problem Analysis Summary Report.pdf
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Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
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The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.
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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.
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A WND review of the Philadelphia Police Department Murder and Shooting Analysis for 2011 shows a similar pattern to that of other large cities in America – a majority of the murder victims have prior records.

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In Philadelphia in 2011, of 324 murders, 81 percent (263) of the victims had at least one prior arrest; 62 percent (164) had been arrested for a violent crime prior to their murder.
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In Newark, N.J., long considered one of America’s most dangerous cities, 85 percent of the 165 murder victims between 2009 and 2010 had serious arrest histories.
Anthony Braga, a professor with the Rutgers-Newark School of Criminal Justice, told the Newark Star-Ledger that 85 percent of 165 murder victims in Newark between 2009 and 2010 had been arrested at least once before they were killed.
Those victims, he said, had, on average, 10 prior arrests on their criminal records.
A WND review of the Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from 2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time period.





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Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?
Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.

We don’t have national figures that are of any use. For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed. One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related.

But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related. So those data are useless.


What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

So you go full on racist to try to prove a point you can’t make?

No where in any of that does is support your claim

 

[Lesh]

Yeah...here......this is why I continue to engage morons like you.....I get to find more information on various topics...

Unlike homi- cides of children under age 12, relatively few homicides of teenagers (9 percent) are committed by family members (figure 8).4 The percentage of homicide victims mur- dered by other youth is much larger for teenagers (figure 9) than for victims younger than 12. Nonetheless, two-thirds of teenage homicide victims are killed by adults. The murderers of teenagers are pre- dominantly young (figure 9), but only a minority are younger than 18.
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expansion of gang activity, spread of crack cocaine and drug market competition,
-----
Some of the increase in teens’ gun use during that period may have been connect- ed to the drug trade and a perceived need to protect valuable drugs and money. The cycle of gun use accelerated as additional youth acquired guns to protect them- selves from other armed youth.
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that gangs and drugs remained a part of many killings of teens (gangs in 29 percent and drugs in 6 percent of homicides) (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1997).

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And before you try to claim moral high ground......you source lied about the word, "Child," in order to stampede uninformed people into believing their bullshit.........

THAT puts the number of gang related deaths to teens at less than 30%. And even THERE the victims are not necessarily gang members themselves.

HUGE fail retard

 

[2aguy]

So let’s parse out your bullshit.

A. You can’t substantiate your claim that most kids who are killed by guns are gang members.

B. You seem to think that any kid killed by guns that is over 16 “doesn’t count” somehow. I guarantor those kids and their parents and family/ friends they “count” very much.

C. Yes suicides count. Suicide attempts by gun are almost always successful. And those deaths hurt the victims and their families greatly

You seem to think that any kid killed by guns that is over 16 “doesn’t count” somehow.


No....moron.....what "counts," is the fact that you and the other anti-gun fantaics claim that guns are the leading cause of death among "children." And by children you leave the impression of little Jack and Jill playing in the sandbox and getting shot.

The truth is the "children," you hide, are the 15-19 year old career criminals, engaged in drug trafficking, car jacking, assorted violent crime, and shooting at each other over gang rivalries and social media insults....

You are lying in order to stampede normal, uniformed people into supporting your gun control agenda.....lying to them implying that their normal children are at risk for getting shot....when the exact opposite is true...if their kids aren't slinging drugs in a democrat party controlled city, they aren't in danger from guns...

 

[Lesh]

You seem to think that any kid killed by guns that is over 16 “doesn’t count” somehow.
You just proved that racist claim to be wrong jerk off

No....moron.....what "counts," is the fact that you and the other anti-gun fantaics claim that guns are the leading cause of death among "children." And by children you leave the impression of little Jack and Jill playing in the sandbox and getting shot.

The truth is the "children," you hide, are the 15-19 year old career criminals, engaged in drug trafficking, car jacking, assorted violent crime, and shooting at each other over gang rivalries and social media insults....

You are lying in order to stampede normal, uniformed people into supporting your gun control agenda.....lying to them implying that their normal children are at risk for getting shot....when the exact opposite is true...if their kids aren't slinging drugs in a democrat party controlled city, they aren't in danger from guns...

 

[2aguy]

THAT puts the number of gang related deaths to teens at less than 30%. And even THERE the victims are not necessarily gang members themselves.

HUGE fail retard

And you failed to read Kleck...you idiot....

Gangs and Violence​

Armstrong: Let’s turn to questions of where crime is coming from in our country. How much violent crime takes place in the subset of the population we would typically associate with the gang culture?
Kleck: In places like Chicago or Los Angeles, it’s a huge fraction of it. It varies enormously from place to place. It may well be that half or more of the gun homicides in those cities are gang related. But in most places in America, it’s a somewhat more modest fraction.

We don’t have national figures that are of any use. For what it’s worth, in the FBI uniform crime reports data, they do have a category for the circumstance in which the crime was committed. One possible box that local police can check in filling out the homicide reports for the FBI could indeed be for gang-related.

But the problem is that the FBI forms require police to check just one circumstance. So if a guy belongs to a gang, and he was selling drugs, and he has a dispute with his customer over the price, and then they get into an argument and one shoots the other, that could go into any of three or four different categories, only one of which is gang-related. So those data are useless.


What we’re stuck with are local estimates, and, as I say, it varies enormously from one locality to another. It’s a huge percentage in a couple of cities. Chicago and Los Angeles have really bad street-gang problems. On the other hand, in Peoria it’s probably a relatively small fraction, certainly well under half.

Criminologist Gary Kleck on Guns, Crime, and Their Study - Ari Armstrong

 

[M14 Shooter]

B. You seem to think that any kid killed by guns that is over 16 “doesn’t count” somehow. I guarantor those kids and their parents and family/ friends they “count” very much.
C. Yes suicides count. Suicide attempts by gun are almost always successful. And those deaths hurt the victims and their families greatly

Look at you, (D)ishonestly preying on the emotions of the ignorant.

 

[Jaxson]

You're trying to concern troll actual people who support RKBA with making the argument that people want nukes.

It's childish and what I expect from gun grabbing idiots.

So now it's a popularity contest, what we want and what we don't want. Is that really how you want to go about this? lol

 

[martybegan]

So now it's a popularity contest, what we want and what we don't want. Is that really how you want to go about this? lol

No, it's about you being a gun grabbing concern troll using argumentum ad absurdum instead of actually discussing the issue.

 

[Jaxson]

No, it's about you being a gun grabbing concern troll using argumentum ad absurdum instead of actually discussing the issue.

Actually, I'm for no restrictions on the 2nd whatsoever. No age restriction, no restriction of felons, no restrictions on type of arms... You're the "arms grabber".

 

[martybegan]

Actually, I'm for no restrictions on the 2nd whatsoever. No age restriction, no restriction of felons, no restrictions on type of arms... You're the "arms grabber".

Bullshit.

Concern troll is concerned that their concerned trolling isn't concerned enough.

 

[Jaxson]

Bullshit.

Concern troll is concerned that their concerned trolling isn't concerned enough.

Not bullshit, you're bullshit. I'm for no restrictions. You want restrictions. it's a fact.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

Tell us again how he isn’t coming after America’s guns. He wants to ban all semi-automatic weapons.

Critics erupt on Biden after ‘sick’ comment on semi-automatic gun purchases: 'Sheer ignorance'

Conservatives ripped into President Biden after he called semi-automatic gun purchases "sick" and reiterated his call to ban "assault weapons" in America.

www.foxnews.com

Joe Biden has my vote for 2024.

 

[martybegan]

Not bullshit, you're bullshit. I'm for no restrictions. You want restrictions. it's a fact.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Joe Biden has my vote for 2024.

Whoever has a (D) next to their name has your vote.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Bullshit.
Concern troll is concerned that their concerned trolling isn't concerned enough.

The board has an ignore function for trolls.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

Whoever has a (D) next to their name has your vote.

How did you guess that? LOL!

 

[M14 Shooter]

How did you guess that? LOL

Hyper-partisan bigots are easy to spot.

 

[Lesh]

Hyper-partisan bigots are easy to spot.

YOU can find one in every mirror

 

[M14 Shooter]

YOU can find one in every mirror

^^^
Oh, the irony.