Vance Admits He's Making Stuff Up

[Marener]

Far more rational than your arguments.

If they are making that request, if you refuse, they will either follow you while getting permission to make it an order, or make it an order.

There is no rationale provided, so it can't be "far more". Experience shows that your assessment is bullshit, given that we know Facebook did not always comply with the requests and no orders followed.

Can a cop ask your permission to look into your trunk if they do not have probable cause to search?

 

[martybegan]

There is no rationale provided, so it can't be "far more". Experience shows that your assessment is bullshit, given that we know Facebook did not always comply with the requests and no orders followed.

Can a cop ask your permission to look into your trunk if they do not have probable cause to search?

The government thought they had probable cause to tell Media to silence certain opinions.

That they were opinions you don't like is why you don't care.

 

[Marener]

The government thought they had probable cause to tell Media to silence certain opinions.

That they were opinions you don't like is why you don't care.

That makes absolutely no sense. They were opinions that could harm Americans. That's something I do care about.

You never answered the question.

Can a cop ask your permission to look into your trunk if they do not have probable cause to search?

 

[martybegan]

That makes absolutely no sense. They were opinions that could harm Americans. That's something I do care about.

You never answered the question.

Can a cop ask your permission to look into your trunk if they do not have probable cause to search?

They were opinions you and the government didn't like. How is saying the Wu Flu originated in a Chinese lab harmful?

If they don't have probable cause, the search gets thrown out.

In your situation, the government THINKS it has the equivalent of probable cause to pressure a media org to silence things it doesn't like.

 

[Marener]

If they don't have probable cause, the search gets thrown out.

If someone consents to a voluntary search, it doesn't matter if they had probable cause or not.

So you're still avoiding the question. Can a cop ask your permission to look into your trunk if they do not have probable cause to search?

 

[martybegan]

If someone consents to a voluntary search, it doesn't matter if they had probable cause or not.

So you're still avoiding the question. Can a cop ask your permission to look into your trunk if they do not have probable cause to search?

"Voluntary"

and the Facebook thing involves a platform where they claim the content isn't theirs, but that of the people posting it.

It's not a good comparison, so you have gotten all the answer I feel like giving you.

 

[Marener]

"Voluntary"

and the Facebook thing involves a platform where they claim the content isn't theirs, but that of the people posting it.

It's not a good comparison, so you have gotten all the answer I feel like giving you.

Yeah, voluntary.

But you are claiming that a request from anyone with authority to prosecute is not actually not a request, but an order.

Which leads me to believe that you do not think that a cop can ask to search your trunk without having probable cause as such a request would actually be an order.

That's why I asked since I just want to see if your logic is consistent.

The fact that you aren't answering the question tells me that you realized your own incoherence and just are going to ignore it.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah, voluntary.

But you are claiming that a request from anyone with authority to prosecute is not actually not a request, but an order.

Which leads me to believe that you do not think that a cop can ask to search your trunk without having probable cause as such a request would actually be an order.

That's why I asked since I just want to see if your logic is consistent.

The fact that you aren't answering the question tells me that you realized your own incoherence and just are going to ignore it.

It's intimidation to do what the government wants. When what the government wants is censorship, that's unconstitutional.

It shows your whataboutthis attempt is not worth responding to further.

 

[Marener]

It's intimidation to do what the government wants. When what the government wants is censorship, that's unconstitutional.

It shows your whataboutthis attempt is not worth responding to further.

Engaging in an abstract thought is what adults do.

Is it intimidation for a cop to ask you to look in your trunk if they don't have probable cause?

 

[martybegan]

Engaging in an abstract thought is what adults do.

Is it intimidation for a cop to ask you to look in your trunk if they don't have probable cause?

It's not relatable. You are trying to do a gotcha, not happening.

 

[Marener]

It's not relatable. You are trying to do a gotcha, not happening.

Why not?

Both are requests from people who are from the government and have the authority to prosecute you.

Just trying to explain how your argument isn't well thought out.

The fact is the government can make requests. If they do not actually make threats or use intimidation, then there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional about it. A cop can request to search your trunk without probable cause. Hell, the cops can request a lot of things and often do. Getting voluntary cooperation from people is helpful to their job. They have rather limited abilities to legally compel someone to do something.

 

[martybegan]

Why not?

Both are requests from people who are from the government and have the authority to prosecute you.

Just trying to explain how your argument isn't well thought out.

The fact is the government can make requests. If they do not actually make threats or use intimidation, then there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional about it. A cop can request to search your trunk without probable cause. Hell, the cops can request a lot of things and often do. Getting voluntary cooperation from people is helpful to their job. They have rather limited abilities to legally compel someone to do something.

One involves upper levels of federal government intimidating media to silence opinions it doesn't like

The other involves traffic stop rules that are well established.

No comparison.

 

[Marener]

One involves upper levels of federal government intimidating media to silence opinions it doesn't like

The other involves traffic stop rules that are well established.

No comparison.

So you're basically claiming that there's some ambiguous level between a cop and an FBI field agent where it suddenly becomes unconstitutional.

How did you come to that conclusion? It's a bit absurd. A government actor is a government actor. The constitution applies equally to all of them.

 

[Marener]

How is saying the Wu Flu originated in a Chinese lab harmful?

The government was asking to take down vaccine misinformation. Hundreds of thousands of people died when their deaths would have been prevented by more broad vaccination.

 

[martybegan]

The government was asking to take down vaccine misinformation. Hundreds of thousands of people died when their deaths would have been prevented by more broad vaccination.

What disinformation?

That it didn't prevent spread?

That it usually only mitigated COVID, not prevented it?

 

[martybegan]

So you're basically claiming that there's some ambiguous level between a cop and an FBI field agent where it suddenly becomes unconstitutional.

How did you come to that conclusion? It's a bit absurd. A government actor is a government actor. The constitution applies equally to all of them.

I saying your comparison is worthless.

 

[Marener]

What disinformation?

That it didn't prevent spread?

That it usually only mitigated COVID, not prevented it?

All kinds of misinformation, for example the vaccine causes miscarriages and infertility.

 

[Marener]

I saying your comparison is worthless.

Distinction without a difference.

Yet again.

You're basically claiming that the constitution doesn't apply to everyone equally.

 

[Delldude]

The government was asking to take down vaccine misinformation.

The government were the ones censoring anyone or anybody against the only 'approved' vaccine. They were lying.

 

[Delldude]

What makes drag story hour adult entertainment?

What makes it necessary that little children, far from dealing with sexuality at their young ages be forced into the BS.