Assault weapons ban? Yes

[wihosa]

No. The distinguishing characteristic is the capcity to fire full-auto.
Like all useful idiots, your masters' agenda is more important to you than knowledge and honesty.

A machine gun with only one round in it wouldn't be much of a machine would it? A hundred round magazine in a semi auto could be emptied in a minute, it's the uninterrupted fire that makes them similar.

Like all useful idiots, your masters' agenda is more important to you than knowledge and honesty.

Why don't you address my point directly instead of hiding behind your supposed superior knowledge of firearms, nit picking the true meaning of assault weapon when I have made it abundantly clear what weapons I'm talking about. Oh, you can't, you can only call names and accuse me of being an avatar for someone else's agenda.

 

[Bigfoot]

But ban weapons which accept large capacity mags and ban the magazines. It's Constitutional and common sense.

You can neither show that any such ban is constitutional, nor that there is any sense to it.

Man this guy is full of it, he hasn't a clue as to what he is talking about.

 

[wihosa]

But ban weapons which accept large capacity mags and ban the magazines. It's Constitutional and common sense.

You can neither show that any such ban is constitutional, nor that there is any sense to it.

Man this guy is full of it, he hasn't a clue as to what he is talking about.

Back at 'ya

 

[Bigfoot]

You can neither show that any such ban is constitutional, nor that there is any sense to it.

Man this guy is full of it, he hasn't a clue as to what he is talking about.

Back at 'ya

It's pretty amusing when several of us have explained to you that you obviously do not understand the subject. Yet you insist on spouting your ignorance anyway. Those of us that have tried to explain it to you are getting to the point where it's becoming obvious that you have no desire to fix your ignorance as you are to busy claiming that "you know". We just can't fix stupid for you.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

We always hear that assault weapons are no different functionally from semi-automatic hunting rifles. But there is a difference and that is the large capacity magazine. These magazines are not made to fit hunting rifles,they are for assault rifles.
Assault rifles fitted with large capacity magazines are the functional equivalent of machine guns which the Supreme Court has already ruled may be banned for ownership by civilians.
Finally, there is the mentality that is engendered by the use of such weapons. While the hunter imagines himself bringing down a nice duck or pheasant when sighting down the barrel of his hunting rifle, what is it that the owner of an assault weapon sees in his minds eye?
Bring back the assault weapons ban, it's Constitutional and common sense.

In 2010 there around 31,000 deaths by guns. Do you know how many of those were from assault rifles? Roughly 300.

Keep thinking that assault rifles are a problem. Meanwhile pistols are causing thousands upon thousands more deaths per year

 

[wihosa]

What does that mean?

A gun does not give you courage?

How many times do you see the president out and about without the secret service and their guns to protect him...those guns seem to give him courage.

Cowards cling tightest to their guns. I've raised four children in the Los Angeles area. I've never had a firearm for protection. Anyone trying to sneak into my house will have to deal with my aluminum T-ball bat.

Well then brave man. You don't have anything to fear from a person who owns weapon then. So, you have no reason to take the rights away from others if you are so brave.

Well at least we have a recognition of each other I'm brave and you are a coward.

 

[dnsmith35]

It takes more than a large capacity magazine to make it an assault weapon. It also takes more than semi-automatic to make it an assault weapon. Many look a likes have been called assault weapons erroneously. The most important tell is the mode of fire; either burst of 3 or full automatic are required to be a true assault weapon.

The issue of the magazine is separate and should be addressed separately. But even so, banning large capacity magazines does little to make the shooter less lethal as anyone with a little experience can use smaller capacity mags to do as much or more damage than one with a large magazine. According to the State Police in Connecticut, the shooter at the school changed magazines 3 times. He obviously did the change fast enough to prevent anyone from stopping him.

That said, I have no problem with large capacity magazines being banned. I don't need one and haven't since my last combat tour in the Army. Even then shooting many times without changing mags was more a convenience than a need. A shooter can hit more targets shooting one aimed shot at a time than rapid fire burst or full auto.

When ever I read about some gun control freak wanting to ban assault weapons I have to laugh at the ignorance behind his interest.

And when I hear of gun control freaks whining about militias not existing unless the people are trained I laugh again at their ignorance and just refer them to the US Code 10 Para 311.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. (This latter militia consists of warm bodies of the proper age who will be trained by professionals as needed or OJT if required)

Again, stop getting bogged down by the definition of an assault weapon, it's the amount of rounds available to be fired without stopping. Call the gun what you like. But ban weapons which accept large capacity mags and ban the magazines. It's Constitutional and common sense.
And for all you who are going to say so what, you could just carry extra 10 round clips, well don't forget that in the Gabby Giffords shooting the gunman was only stopped when he had to reload.

What stopped him was HE WAS SLOW reloading. A machine gun is a fully automatic weapon. They can be mounted, or they can be hand held or they can have a bipod. Machine guns are typically belt fed or drum fed. Belts and drums typically have 80 to several hundreds of rounds and the mode of fire must be automatic to be "machine gun." We all recognize that a 10 round magazine scares the crap out of you, but regardless, rifles of any kind account for very few homicides every year in the US. In fact, get the statistics of the total gun deaths average a year. Every source will tell you half are suicides so we discount them off hand. The same source will tell you that between 25% and 30% are gang on gang/drug murders so subtract them out. Now take the 20 to 25% and subtract all of the cops and victims taking out criminals and how many do we have left? Not very many. In fact our homicide rate then compares to the UK with all of its fancy gun control.

Next look up the history of recent gun control in Australia which is very draconian. Since then violent crime has gone up. Fancy that, take away guns and violent crime goes up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

A machine gun with only one round in it wouldn't be much of a machine would it? A hundred round magazine in a semi auto could be emptied in a minute, it's the uninterrupted fire that makes them similar.

Like all useful idiots, your masters' agenda is more important to you than knowledge and honesty.

Why don't you address my point directly

I did. Several posts back in my first response to this topic. You didnt respond, so those points still stand.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/276485-assault-weapons-ban-yes-5.html#post6761265

Here, as well:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/276485-assault-weapons-ban-yes-6.html#post6762301

Nothing you have presented in this topic has an ounce of truth to it. Nothing.
And thus, like all useful idiots, your masters' agenda is more important to you than knowledge and honesty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We always hear that assault weapons are no different functionally from semi-automatic hunting rifles. But there is a difference and that is the large capacity magazine. These magazines are not made to fit hunting rifles,they are for assault rifles.
Assault rifles fitted with large capacity magazines are the functional equivalent of machine guns which the Supreme Court has already ruled may be banned for ownership by civilians.
Finally, there is the mentality that is engendered by the use of such weapons. While the hunter imagines himself bringing down a nice duck or pheasant when sighting down the barrel of his hunting rifle, what is it that the owner of an assault weapon sees in his minds eye?
Bring back the assault weapons ban, it's Constitutional and common sense.

In 2010 there around 31,000 deaths by guns. Do you know how many of those were from assault rifles? Roughly 300.

I'd bet it was close to zero, and I'd bet none of them were assault rifles legaly owned by civilians.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Heller Court, when reaffirming Miller, determined that weapons considered ‘dangerous and unusual’ ' were not entitled to Second Amendment protection. To compare an AR 15 to a fully automatic rifle, or a sawed-off shotgun, for that matter, is idiocy – there is no legitimate civilian use for a fully automatic weapon or a sawed-off shotgun, whereas a semi-auto AR 15 has a legitimate civilian use as a sporting and target rifle; it clearly falls into the ‘in common use’ category, and possession of this firearm is consequently protected.

Unquestionably.
The only way the court woud uphold an AWB is if it reversed Miller/Heller.

Tell me:
What do you thinik the court means by "dangerous" when it used the phrase "dangerous and unusual"?

 

[hjmick]

There's a well reasoned argument!

As well reasoned as your OP. You do know that civilians are barred from owning assault weapons, right?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It takes more than a large capacity magazine to make it an assault weapon. It also takes more than semi-automatic to make it an assault weapon. Many look a likes have been called assault weapons erroneously. The most important tell is the mode of fire; either burst of 3 or full automatic are required to be a true assault weapon.

The issue of the magazine is separate and should be addressed separately. But even so, banning large capacity magazines does little to make the shooter less lethal as anyone with a little experience can use smaller capacity mags to do as much or more damage than one with a large magazine. According to the State Police in Connecticut, the shooter at the school changed magazines 3 times. He obviously did the change fast enough to prevent anyone from stopping him.

That said, I have no problem with large capacity magazines being banned. I don't need one and haven't since my last combat tour in the Army. Even then shooting many times without changing mags was more a convenience than a need. A shooter can hit more targets shooting one aimed shot at a time than rapid fire burst or full auto.

When ever I read about some gun control freak wanting to ban assault weapons I have to laugh at the ignorance behind his interest.

And when I hear of gun control freaks whining about militias not existing unless the people are trained I laugh again at their ignorance and just refer them to the US Code 10 Para 311.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. (This latter militia consists of warm bodies of the proper age who will be trained by professionals as needed or OJT if required)

(This latter militia consists of warm bodies of the proper age who will be trained by professionals as needed or OJT if required)

THIS IS YOUR OPINION AND NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION OF THE UNORGANIZED MILITIA

That said, I have no problem with large capacity magazines being banned. I don't need one and haven't since my last combat tour in the Army.

Suppose you live in California and they have one of those major earthquakes, and their is no contact of emergency personal such as law enforcement for at least a week would you want a
1. five round capacity magazine
2. 10 round capacity magazine
3. 20 round capacity magazine
4. 30 round magazine capacity


Oh and I would not want to place a restriction on what you thought you needed to defend your life I'm not an elite Statist like you are.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

We always hear that assault weapons are no different functionally from semi-automatic hunting rifles. But there is a difference and that is the large capacity magazine. These magazines are not made to fit hunting rifles,they are for assault rifles.
Assault rifles fitted with large capacity magazines are the functional equivalent of machine guns which the Supreme Court has already ruled may be banned for ownership by civilians.
Finally, there is the mentality that is engendered by the use of such weapons. While the hunter imagines himself bringing down a nice duck or pheasant when sighting down the barrel of his hunting rifle, what is it that the owner of an assault weapon sees in his minds eye?
Bring back the assault weapons ban, it's Constitutional and common sense.

In 2010 there around 31,000 deaths by guns. Do you know how many of those were from assault rifles? Roughly 300.

I'd bet it was close to zero, and I'd bet none of them were assault rifles legaly owned by civilians.

No, it was around 300. I think the exact number was 323. Feel free to check the FBI statistics on it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

While the hunter imagines himself bringing down a nice duck or pheasant when sighting down the barrel of his hunting rifle, what is it that the owner of an assault weapon sees in his minds eye?

My mind's eye sees things from a Hollywood movie.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In 2010 there around 31,000 deaths by guns. Do you know how many of those were from assault rifles? Roughly 300.

I'd bet it was close to zero, and I'd bet none of them were assault rifles legaly owned by civilians.

No, it was around 300. I think the exact number was 323. Feel free to check the FBI statistics on it.

323 murders involving rifles, 2011.

FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

My wagers stand.

 

[Lakhota]

Sylvester Stallone Supports Assault Weapon Ban | TIME.com

 

[dnsmith35]

THIS IS YOUR OPINION AND NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION OF THE UNORGANIZED MILITIA

In fact, this is exactly what the unorganized militia is. I don't believe it has anything to do with the right to keep and bear arms. But when someone questioned the validity of a militia I looked it up. Here is the law:

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information InstituteUS Code 10 Para 311.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

We may disagree about the need for large capacity magazines and what actual military grade assault weapons are, but I suspect we agree on most everything else about gun control.

BTW, I am not, nor have I ever been a statist.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sylvester Stallone Supports Assault Weapon Ban | TIME.com

Great spokes person

[ame=http://youtu.be/aL39jJN9hHM]Rambo 4 (End Scene) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

THIS IS YOUR OPINION AND NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION OF THE UNORGANIZED MILITIA

In fact, this is exactly what the unorganized militia is. I don't believe it has anything to do with the right to keep and bear arms. But when someone questioned the validity of a militia I looked it up. Here is the law:

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information InstituteUS Code 10 Para 311.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

We may disagree about the need for large capacity magazines and what actual military grade assault weapons are, but I suspect we agree on most everything else about gun control.

BTW, I am not, nor have I ever been a statist.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. (This latter militia consists of warm bodies of the proper age who will be trained by professionals as needed or OJT if required)

You posted this and added the bold part which does not exist in the definition of the unorganized militia.

 

[Bigfoot]

While the hunter imagines himself bringing down a nice duck or pheasant when sighting down the barrel of his hunting rifle, what is it that the owner of an assault weapon sees in his minds eye?

My mind's eye sees things from a Hollywood movie.

That guy is really something isn't he? Yeah and he did a combat tour in the Army ~rolleyes~ What did they do leave out firearms training for him?