As the collapse continues....

[Nuthin' Fancy]

What they don't understand, what they'll never understand, is that this is not about Trump, and never has been.

No, but it was/is about finding the dumbest of the dumb candidate.

We don't want a president who can think,we already know what the top 1% want him to do.He only needs to be capable if signing with a pen!​

Grover Norquist 2012


Trump fits that bill.

I've said it a hundred times over these years, and I specifically discussed it in the OP.

I think that, at some level, they may know. But they have not been provided a response.

 

[AntonToo]

The facts dont support your biased opinion. In every aspect of life

The facts of tax volume differences DIRECTLY support what i've said.

You can't directly deal with that, so you go into your "every aspect of life" rant.

Sad to watch.

 

[Mac1958]

No, but it was/is about finding the dumbest of the dumb candidate.

We don't want a president who can think,we already know what the top 1% want him to do.He only needs to be capable if signing with a pen!​

Grover Norquist 2012


Trump fits that bill.

He himself says, "smart people don't like me". And for the thousandth time, the flock is not insulted. Somehow.

Part of the problem here is how many Americans clearly don't have much knowledge of world history. That, or they simply can't put two and two together.

And again, that's on America. Their savior is merely taking advantage of it.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

What makes you think the this country, and the world, were not in a freefall collapse on a apocalyptic scale for the last couple of decades prior to now?

That's been my message, the fuse was lit long ago (60's), it has now reached the dynamite...trump isn't taking over the country he is taking it back using some of the same methods that stole it in the first, folks who don't understand that that is what happened here [the socially educated] are never going to understand what is really happening.

 

[AntonToo]

why didnt they let us know what was happening?

Don't know what you are talking about.

"They" let you know as soon as Biden's poor debate performance caused broad doubt among Democrats he is up for it.

Pressure mounts on Biden to drop out of race after disastrous debate performance

Pressure on President Joe Biden to drop out of the race is mounting with more Democrats going public with their concerns about his candidacy.

cbsaustin.com

 

[Hollie]

I dunno, but we have a lot of damage to repair based on what Trump has already inflicted on the country.

We're fucked for the foreseeable future until we get that incompetent fool out of Office.

You dunno. Good answer. You NOI groupies are fucked for the foreseeable future until you launch your Jihad.

 

[AntonToo]

We just did that after Joe Biden's disastrous 4-years. We're now enjoying a real president...

Joe Biden was a real president and conducted his office respectably.

You can speak for yourself, I'm definetly not enjoying economic, social and foreign policy mayhem along with corrupt polticization of our fed government at every level.

 

[berg80]

One person, empowered by his enablers and sycophants, has managed to (a) throw the world economy into chaos with his bizarre, wildly erratic tariff gambit, (b) throw global geopolitics into a tailspin with his soft-handed approach to an aggressive Russian tyrant and pugilistic behaviors towards America's former friends, and (c) put America itself on the edge of social collapse by openly taking sides in its most sensitive sociological/cultural moment in decades, and (d) inspire one of the great religions of the world to sell its soul to a person who is essentially the opposite of the deity it claims to follow.

One person has created a chaos most of us have never seen, because he has been allowed to.

That's because this has never been about that one person. This is about a country that is so sick and manipulable that it has allowed its priorities to become entirely perverted. Bad enough that this would happen to ANY country. But the most important, dynamic country in the world? It's still a little difficult to digest.

As this collapse continues, does anyone have any guesses as to what this country looks like in 20 years?

Chaos Theory Meets Trump: Why America’s Institutions and Psyche Are Under Siege

Your attempt to generate an enlightened discussion about the slow but steady descent in to political dysfunction, happening before our eyes, has been met by the same obstacle almost all of these attempts are confronted with. Many of our fellow Americans experience an alternative reality unlike ours.

We see an aspiring authoritarian who has continually claimed powers exceeding his constitutional authority. Proclaiming the existence of emergencies to justify illegal actions. Firing government employees with legal protections that can only be removed for cause. Usurping congressional authority over spending and tariffs. Intentionally creating division. Purposely eroding faith in core principles on which the nation was founded.

Frankly, I'm not sure what the hell they see because I am not immersed in the MAGAsphere, a separate reality of right wing media's making. But I do know it prevents them from addressing the concerns of people like you and I in a deliberate, factual way.

In 20 years I'm guessing the alternate reality will still exist. Fueled by people other than trump. Both being the most destructive domestic forces this country has ever encountered.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Maybe we have to read between the lines of the OP. Yes, there is a collapse occurring. But it's not the whole country, or the whole world, it is the democrap party that is collapsing. The whole world of Mac1958 is collapsing because the neo-leftists are being purged from the government and from the workplace. As I look around, I don't see any collapse, and what I do see are people showing small signs of hope that everything is finally going to get better now that the democraps are defeated.

 

[kyzr]

Joe Biden was a real president. You are delusional.

That you can even say that shows how moronic you are.
1. Biden couldn't do real press conferences
2. Biden pardoned his entire crime family
3. Biden's open borders was a national security disaster
4. Biden's withdrawal from AFG was a disaster, the Brits hold him IN CONTEMPT
5. Biden shit himself
6. Biden couldn't walk up the stair to AF-1
7. Biden couldn't find his way off stages
8. Biden molested his daughter Ashley in the shower

Biden was not a real president, he was a POS.

 

[Mac1958]

Your attempt to generate an enlightened discussion about the slow but steady descent in to political dysfunction, happening before our eyes, has been met by the same obstacle almost all of these attempts are confronted with. Many of our fellow Americans experience an alternative reality unlike ours.

We see an aspiring authoritarian who has continually claimed powers exceeding his constitutional authority. Proclaiming the existence of emergencies to justify illegal actions. Firing government employees with legal protections that can only be removed for cause. Usurping congressional authority over spending and tariffs. Intentionally creating division. Purposely eroding faith in core principles on which the nation was founded.

Frankly, I'm not sure what the hell they see because I am not immersed in the MAGAsphere, a separate reality of right wing media's making. But I do know it prevents them from addressing the concerns of people like you and I in a deliberate, factual way.

In 20 years I'm guessing the alternate reality will still exist. Fueled by people other than trump. Both being the most destructive domestic forces this country has ever encountered.

I've spent a lot of time over the last ten years watching, listening to, and reading what these folks say in a variety of venues. I've learned along the way that trying to communicate is pointless and depressing, but much can be learned from their own words.

On one hand, I have agreements to some degree with them on several issues. But the problem is, and this has been growing and festering since the day Limbaugh went national, the voices they choose to trust have driven them into such an angry, paranoid, disordered frenzy that they are essentially desperate. They'll put up with anything to "save America" from "evil", and if they have to lie to themselves about their savior, they surely will.

Ring a bell? That, of course, has been the story of the rise of authoritarians throughout history. Sew seeds of desperation, rage and misinformation, announce you're the savior, and you can gain power. And that's where our educational system has failed us. These people somehow can't make that clear historical connection, no matter how many clues they're given. OR, it's exactly what they want.

 

[PatriotJohn888]

I dunno, but we have a lot of damage to repair based on what Trump has already inflicted on the country.

We're fucked for the foreseeable future until we get that incompetent fool out of Office.

Regardless of how many posts you have made on this ridiculous site, you have failed to realize that it's people like you who propel the division and violence you claim to abhor. The president has nothing to do with how perverse our society has become.

"Traditional values" is a bad word in many circles and the people in those circles are first to leap to the megaphone to shout about the decline of society. We dont have a president problem. We have a perversion problem. We dont have a gun violence problem. We have a violence problem.

You cant blame your way out of it. We all caused this. We are all going to have to fix it. Stop pointing to others and expecting them to carry your part of the load.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

We just did that after Joe Biden's disastrous 4-years. We're now enjoying a real president...

Biden was president??? I thought it was the autopen...

CHUCKLE

 

[80zephyr]

I dunno, but we have a lot of damage to repair based on what Trump has already inflicted on the country.

We're fucked for the foreseeable future until we get that incompetent fool out of Office.

Then we'll have president Vance.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

One person, empowered by his enablers and sycophants, has managed to (a) throw the world economy into chaos with his bizarre, wildly erratic tariff gambit, (b) throw global geopolitics into a tailspin with his soft-handed approach to an aggressive Russian tyrant and pugilistic behaviors towards America's former friends, and (c) put America itself on the edge of social collapse by openly taking sides in its most sensitive sociological/cultural moment in decades, and (d) inspire one of the great religions of the world to sell its soul to a person who is essentially the opposite of the deity it claims to follow.

One person has created a chaos most of us have never seen, because he has been allowed to.

That's because this has never been about that one person. This is about a country that is so sick and manipulable that it has allowed its priorities to become entirely perverted. Bad enough that this would happen to ANY country. But the most important, dynamic country in the world? It's still a little difficult to digest.

As this collapse continues, does anyone have any guesses as to what this country looks like in 20 years?

Chaos Theory Meets Trump: Why America’s Institutions and Psyche Are Under Siege

No, the hate, division, seething rage started years ago by the left and now has become deadly violent. It wasn't orange man. You're just parroting radical liberal media rags. Very sad. Thought you were smarter than that mac.

 

[berg80]

I've spent a lot of time over the last ten years watching, listening to, and reading what these folks say in a variety of venues. I've learned along the way that trying to communicate is pointless and depressing, but much can be learned from their own words.

On one hand, I have agreements to some degree with them on several issues. But the problem is, and this has been growing and festering since the day Limbaugh went national, the voices they choose to trust have driven them into such an angry, paranoid, disordered frenzy that they are essentially desperate. They'll put up with anything to "save America" from "evil", and if they have to lie to themselves about their savior, they surely will.

Ring a bell? That, of course, has been the story of the rise of authoritarians throughout history. Sew seeds of desperation, rage and misinformation, and you can gain power. And that's where our educational system has failed us. These people somehow can't make that clear historical connection. OR, it's exactly what they want.

You wrote the post I was going to write for me. When chaos is created in steps the strongman to instill a sense of order. The irony being it's always the strongman creating the chaos.

 

[AntonToo]

That you can even say that shows how moronic you are.
1. Biden couldn't do real press conferences
2. Biden pardoned his entire crime family
3. Biden's open borders was a national security disaster
4. Biden's withdrawal from AFG was a disaster, the Brits hold him IN CONTEMPT
5. Biden shit himself
6. Biden couldn't walk up the stair to AF-1
7. Biden couldn't find his way off stages
8. Biden molested his daughter Ashley in the shower

Biden was not a real president, he was a POS.

Historians (you know, people that write history) disagree with your silly assesment, rank Biden's term as a respectable presidency, while ranking Trump among the worst presidencies we've ever had. This was true across idological spectrum of the historians.

Conservatives rated Biden No. 30, while liberals put him 13th and moderates ranked him 20th. All three of those same groups ranked Trump, whose presidency was marked by his flouting of historical norms, in the bottom five.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/19/1232447088/historians-presidents-survey-trump-last-biden-14th

Twice impeached, 4 times criminally indicted fellon named Trump will be gone soon enough and once again leave a dumpster fire behind as the net-sum of his legacy.

 

[Nostra]

Link to this collapse?

: crickets:


Mac1958 gets exposed as full of shit again.

 

[berg80]

Maybe we have to read between the lines of the OP. Yes, there is a collapse occurring. But it's not the whole country, or the whole world, it is the democrap party that is collapsing. The whole world of Mac1958 is collapsing because the neo-leftists are being purged from the government and from the workplace. As I look around, I don't see any collapse, and what I do see are people showing small signs of hope that everything is finally going to get better now that the democraps are defeated.

A 2020 academic article argues that The Art of the Deal reflects the “superficial chaos” of neoliberal capitalism—where spectacle, disruption, and asymmetry are normalized as strategic tools. Trump’s approach doesn’t model chaos theory in a scientific sense, but it weaponizes chaos as a performative and tactical aesthetic.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

I've spent a lot of time over the last ten years watching, listening to, and reading what these folks say in a variety of venues. I've learned along the way that trying to communicate is pointless and depressing, but much can be learned from their own words.

On one hand, I have agreements to some degree with them on several issues. But the problem is, and this has been growing and festering since the day Limbaugh went national, the voices they choose to trust have driven them into such an angry, paranoid, disordered frenzy that they are essentially desperate. They'll put up with anything to "save America" from "evil", and if they have to lie to themselves about their savior, they surely will.

Ring a bell? That, of course, has been the story of the rise of authoritarians throughout history. Sew seeds of desperation, rage and misinformation, and you can gain power. And that's where our educational system has failed us. These people somehow can't make that clear historical connection, no matter how many clues they're given. OR, it's exactly what they want.

The rise of authoritarians is when inhuman atheist transgender Democratic liberal assassins start murdering people for exercising their first Amendment rights and are cheered on by their goosestepping inhuman atheist Nazi fascist supporters...

CHUCKLE