Are you born with spiritual needs ?

[Dr Grump]

You don't believe there is a God because man is egotistical?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH I get it now !!!

No. I don't believe in god because logic tells me god is a myth created by man to explain the unexplainable. I think people believe in a god (and this is of any religion by the way) due to their own ego.

What do YOU believe in Dillo?

 

[dilloduck]

No. I don't believe in god because logic tells me god is a myth created by man to explain the unexplainable. I think people believe in a god (and this is of any religion by the way) due to their own ego.

What do YOU believe in Dillo?

Logic talks to you ??????

 

[Dr Grump]

Logic talks to you ??????

Ah..yeah......(Twilight Zone music playing in the background)...

Answer the question Dillo...

 

[dilloduck]

Ah..yeah......(Twilight Zone music playing in the background)...

Answer the question Dillo...

I believe God is.

Talk to a shrink if you continue to have logic "telling you things".

 

[Eightball]

Do liberalism and atheism go hand in hand?

I guess I'll stick my neck out on this one.......Just a little, though.

It's been my observation with posting and reading on a lot of political forums, that a lot of folks with liberal philosophies have a rather strong abhorance to Christian biblical comments, or themes that are raised. Their(Liberal) comments usually are typified with a "mocking" at the alleged Christian/biblical poster, or the poster's comments are taken, with a "grain of salt", as being unintellectual.

Those that claim to be liberals and Christians seem to take biblical scripture out of context, or don't even have an understanding of biblical scripture at all. A little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge in some cases.

Many liberals that abhor Christian/biblical values will often claim great understanding of the bible, yet, when pressed to answer or support their positions, miserably fail a test of knowledge.

I've also noticed that liberal, Atheists/agnostics seem to have incredible tolerance for Islam, Hinduism, Bhudism, Zorasterism, Bahaism, New Age ism, yet when it comes to biblical Christianity, their whole countenance or reaction changes drastically to "adversarial".

Somehow through the years of observing this and even being involved in forums personally, a distaste for Christian/biblical themes or values in posts seems to run greatest with liberals, followed not to far behind by libertarians, and then a smattering of conservatives.

Yes folks.........conservatives can be avowed atheists!
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On the theme of atheists..........I think in reality, that you would find that most folks that call or think of themselves as aetheists, are in reality, "agnostics".

Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: ag-'näs-tik, &g-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos known, from gignOskein to know -- more at KNOW
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god


Actually, atheists are a rare bird or breed, if you consider the above, Merriam Webster definition of an "agnostic".
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I've also in my own observations noticeds some traits that seem to be more common/apparent with the folks that call themselves atheists/agnostics.........Most notably, they seem to show a lack of gratefulness about life, and seem to have a suspicious, untrusting nature towards some/any or all authority over their lives. Their lives tend to be obsessed with conspiratorial worries, and undertones of fear of unfair treatment from perceived authority.

These folk's lack of personal gratefulness or thankfulness for life in general, seems to be offset with over-developed needs to extend compassion on all human entities. Sometimes it remindes me of a kind of penance being worked out as a result of deep, subconscious guilt.

Yes, conservaties can be atheists/agnostics, as it is so easy to become obsessed with pride of one's material blessing of life, and obsessed and prideful with one's own endeavors that obtained the material belongings, that a desire or need for a God/Creator or ultimate authority is totally ignored.

Why most professed atheists are really agnostics, is that they really are confused about who and what to believe, but not because God made it confusing, but because they chose to not accept the obvious evidences of His reality through the very creation that is all around us.

Instead of worshiping God, whom they have rejected, they have replaced God with cars, money, job stature, self, intellect, education, hobbies, noteriety(popularity), external beauty/handsomeness, homes, possessions.. etc. These before-mentioned things are not evil in and of themselves, but it's what agnostic man does with them, or how agnostic man views them. Agnostic man has made sense of his universe by creating his own little library of gods.........they are all convenient, they're not convicting to his soul, but they do get boring and must be constantly upgraded or replaced.

The true atheist would have to admit that life "stinks" and is just an "existence" with no need to have inspired goals.
Agnostics, think there maybe some sort of god, but won't commit, as they don't think there's convincing evidence to bring them to a conclusion. As a result, atheists are the saddest or most to be pitied of all mankind.........and agnostics.........are basically living the metaphorical life of the grasshopper fiddling away its life, picking Summer fruit, denying that Winter is on the horizon, and that their food pantry is empty.

I would go out on a limb and say that most liberals that call themselves atheists are most likely, agnostics.

It's nearly impossible with the human species to live out it's life without venerating something..........to give it(humanity) motivation to survive and continue with life. Anything venerated, or esteemed potentially can become one's god.
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I think that in some ways the liberal mantra to help the minorities, the sick, the hurting, the chastised by society, is leaning strongly towards a Christian values or biblical values direction. No one can argue the point that liberals have embraced compassion for humanity in large ways.

Yet, with that compassion there is a hypocritical, selectivity, as revealed with their strong advocacy of abortion rights, Euthanasia, etc. They reserve the right to define "life", as they see it. This direction of philosphy hurts the credibility of liberalism as a full encompassing philosophy of compassion of the weak, chastised, downtrodden......etc.

 

[Nuc]

I've also noticed that liberal, Atheists/agnostics seem to have incredible tolerance for Islam, Hinduism, Bhudism, Zorasterism, Bahaism, New Age ism, yet when it comes to biblical Christianity, their whole countenance or reaction changes drastically to "adversarial".

This syndrome is easy to explain, it's because you and they live in the West where Christianity is the norm.

Scandinavians probably bitch about cold weather, whereas Jamaicans don't, because they don't face it every day.

Liberals in Muslim countries bitch about Islam and liberals in Buddhist countries bitch about the Buddhist establishment. Liberals in Italy bitch about the Pope. I know this for a fact because I've been to those places.

Liberals probably feel put upon by some of the constraints of Christianity and its influence on our society because they live in a country where Christianity is the strongest religious influence. They have no reason to fear or abhore Zoroastrianism (to cite one of your examples) because no Zoroastrian ever told them what to do or how they should think. When the Zoroastrians take over that will change.

What I don't understand is the liberals who don't understand the threat we face from Islam, but that's another topic.

 

[glockmail]

No.

Then why is it I have never met a conservative atheist? Perhaps I just dont frequent the correct bars.

 

[Nuc]

Then why is it I have never met a conservative atheist? Perhaps I just dont frequent the correct bars.

I've met plenty. You can find them in fields such as science, the arts, education, etc. I know a lot of atheists who are Republicans for example, because they are wealthy and think of the Republicans as the party who will protect their interests. But they don't like the fundamentalism the Republican party sometimes embraces.

 

[Dr Grump]

Then why is it I have never met a conservative atheist? Perhaps I just dont frequent the correct bars.

My whole family is practically atheist conservatives. Every single one of them vote conservative and not one of them believes in god. You won't find them in bars,,,,,

 

[dilloduck]

This syndrome is easy to explain, it's because you and they live in the West where Christianity is the norm.

Scandinavians probably bitch about cold weather, whereas Jamaicans don't, because they don't face it every day.

Liberals in Muslim countries bitch about Islam and liberals in Buddhist countries bitch about the Buddhist establishment. Liberals in Italy bitch about the Pope. I know this for a fact because I've been to those places.

Liberals probably feel put upon by some of the constraints of Christianity and its influence on our society because they live in a country where Christianity is the strongest religious influence. They have no reason to fear or abhore Zoroastrianism (to cite one of your examples) because no Zoroastrian ever told them what to do or how they should think. When the Zoroastrians take over that will change.

What I don't understand is the liberals who don't understand the threat we face from Islam, but that's another topic.

I agree--rebellion!

 

[glockmail]

I guess I'll stick my neck out on this one............ liberalism as a full encompassing philosophy of compassion of the weak, chastised, downtrodden......etc.

I can't disagree with any of this.

I think that liberals-agnostics are consumed with themselves, thinking that they are just too smart to have to bother with God, and since they are so much smarter than everyone else, they are the societal "elites" and know better than the rest of us sorry individuals how to make life choices. Hence they seek power and authority, and their love of big government and socialist policies. They certainly see themselves smarter than "some old, dead white guys" who wrote the Constitution, men who greatly mistrusted government.

What I have found about myself, however, is that the more that I know, the more that I find out how much I don't know. I believe acceptance of this obvious fact, that there is a finite limit to my intelligence and understanding, takes a certain level of maturity that liberals lack. This acceptance makes me reverent towards God, the Founders, and soldiers who have seen battle.

The funny thing is that I have yet to meet a liberal who I consider to be more intelligent than I am, and I can be a rather dim bulb about some things. That tells me that they are fooling themselves, denying themselves the benefit of humility.

 

[glockmail]

My whole family is practically atheist conservatives. Every single one of them vote conservative and not one of them believes in god. You won't find them in bars,,,,,

I'll take your word on that. It just seems to me that the two philosophies are incompatible for the reasons I stated below.

 

[Eightball]

What I don't understand is the liberals who don't understand the threat we face from Islam, but that's another topic.

Great Point Nuc!!:clap1:

 

[Nuc]

Great Point Nuc!!:clap1:

If they can't handle Pat Robertson or even Geo. W., what are they gonna think when they have to wear a burkha?

 

[CharlestonChad]

I'm positive that a "spirit" isn't part of human anatomy. Therefore, we aren't born with a desire to fulfill something that doesn't exist.

 

[Eightball]

I'll take your word on that. It just seems to me that the two philosophies are incompatible for the reasons I stated below.

Atheism and Agnosticism aren't respecters of any one political party or philosophy. It has, will be, and is embraced by any adherents of any political philosophys. It's a spiritual condition of man, and even a nation loving, patriot isn't exempt from this error in judgement.

Again, I will say, that atheism is nearly impossible to follow as a system of life/belief, no matter how hard one tries to say they are, "one".

I'd say that 99% of avowed atheists are agnostics. Not based on some reference........just Eightball's observations of life interactions with other humans.

 

[Annie]

I'm positive that a "spirit" isn't part of human anatomy. Therefore, we aren't born with a desire to fulfill something that doesn't exist.

And your bonafides? I mean why everyone should jump on your bandwagon, follow you?

 

[Said1]

I'm positive that a "spirit" isn't part of human anatomy. Therefore, we aren't born with a desire to fulfill something that doesn't exist.

The question wasn't 'are we born with a spirit' it was 'are we born with spiritual needs'. There is a difference. Posting here fullfills some sort of none-human-anatomy need for you, doesn't it?

 

[glockmail]

I'm positive that a "spirit" isn't part of human anatomy. Therefore, we aren't born with a desire to fulfill something that doesn't exist.

Emotions are not part of the human anatomy either. So they don't exist? Is that your position?

 

[Said1]

Emotions are not part of the human anatomy either. So they don't exist? Is that your position?

This is SO unlike our Chad. Moral relativism is usually his position. It's not like him to be so black and white when grey is so much easier to hide behind. He must be really sick, still.