Zone1 Are LDS (Mormons) Christians?

[egp320i]

Your boss never told you that. Liar. He may have given you reasons that soda isn't good for you but never told you to do anything. What is a magic tablet? See, this is why you actually know very little about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And, it wasn't in code, fool. It was written in reformed Egyptian. Good grief. You must be a religious zelot.

sure, so a tablet in upstate ny magically got their in egyptian......now that makes it even more a fairly tale

not lying about anything, this boss was an asshole and the other mormons would constant harass me for drinking coffee with little jokes all the time, trust me I know a joke vs a silent condemnation which is what they were always doing

This boss wanted to fire me so bad even though I was more experienced, smart and worked better by making up a story I was working off the clock or something

later day saints my ass, saints are people who the catholics deem did something great

so mormons are just a catholic cult, right?

 

[Cougarbear]

Good point, but Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Alon Anava could be the fulfillment of the person predicted in Zechariah chapter three. The Latter day Saints that I have fellowshipped with face to face over the years seem to be the most well prepared to accept the massive calling that could be on the life of Rabbi Alon Anava?

Zone1 Thread 'Does Rabbi Alon Anava also have a "Cyrus" calling on his life?'

Nov 14, 2025

Although I am technically a Gentile I have listened to near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava on youtube, over and over and over again as he gave the description of his first near death experience in many different synagogues.

I personally feel that Rabbi Alon Anava had a brush with death that can remind a Messianic Gentile like myself with Matthew chapter four, and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death remind me of very down to earth basic Judaism such as was given in Matthew chapter five, six and seven.

Rabbi Alon Anava obviously knew about html coding and he was shown that...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Religion and Ethics

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Again, beating a dead horse, the Apostles all believed Jesus Christ to be the Son of God, the Great Jehovah, in the flesh. The Messiah and God of the Universe. Judaism has never believed this. Never. Jews for Jesus or converts like me from Judaism believe Jesus is the Christ. But not my own brother and parents.

Now, as to The Book of Mormon, watch this short video and pick up the book and read it without a double mind, with real intent to find out it’s true and let not your faith waver.

 

[egp320i]

The only dead horse I am beating is a another false religion with claims they found something
that's all it really is
If you soak in the propaganda so be it, lovely for you but most people just don't

There is a reason for jack mormons and I knew a few.....they opened their eyes to the joke

You have the choice

Just like scientology .......fantasy cult you can't even break away from

 

[Zebra]

What's next, are Catholics Christians. A lot of people would say no. But the key word is "Christian" Anyone who believes in Christ is one. Whether any man made religion is real is a different question.

who are tthose that say no?

 

[Slyhunter]

who are tthose that say no?

Protestants.

 

[Zebra]

Protestants.

aha ....

and Protestants are fair judges?

 

[Slyhunter]

aha ....

and Protestants are fair judges?

I didn't say that.

 

[Zebra]

Check this video out and then respond to the question.

we have a poll here about it

 

[Cougarbear]

sure, so a tablet in upstate ny magically got their in egyptian......now that makes it even more a fairly tale

not lying about anything, this boss was an asshole and the other mormons would constant harass me for drinking coffee with little jokes all the time, trust me I know a joke vs a silent condemnation which is what they were always doing

This boss wanted to fire me so bad even though I was more experienced, smart and worked better by making up a story I was working off the clock or something

later day saints my ass, saints are people who the catholics deem did something great

so mormons are just a catholic cult, right?

Have you read The Book of Mormon? What do you know about it? Who are the main characters in the book? Where were they from originally and where does the main part of the book play out in? Who wrote in it?
Here's a little bit about Joseph Smith and writing the entire book in less than 3 months.


If you aren't willing to watch the very short video and read The Book of Mormon for yourself. Then you have nothing to say that would influence me one way or another. You would be like one hand clapping. Just another hateful person against religion in general.

 

[Cougarbear]

we have a poll here about it

So? I'm supposed to be impressed? You only show fear that the only way Joseph Smith could have written it is by the way he said it happened. By the gifts and power of God.

 

[Slyhunter]

Have you read The Book of Mormon? What do you know about it? Who are the main characters in the book? Where were they from originally and where does the main part of the book play out in? Who wrote in it?
Here's a little bit about Joseph Smith and writing the entire book in less than 3 months.


If you aren't willing to watch the very short video and read The Book of Mormon for yourself. Then you have nothing to say that would influence me one way or another. You would be like one hand clapping. Just another hateful person against religion in general.

According to the Forward Joseph Smith found rare metal pages of the book of Mormon written in a language only he could read. It was verified by 7 witnesses who could not read the language. None of them saw the Angel who led him to the plaques. He copied them into the book you know as the book of Mormon and that is how it came into existence. The original plaques were taken by the Angel and hidden to not be seen again until the end of time.

Sounds to me like a scam to allow him to keep marrying child brides and add to his collection.

 

[Cougarbear]

According to the Forward Joseph Smith found rare metal pages of the book of Mormon written in a language only he could read. It was verified by 7 witnesses who could not read the language. None of them saw the Angel who led him to the plaques. He copied them into the book you know as the book of Mormon and that is how it came into existence. The original plaques were taken by the Angel and hidden to not be seen again until the end of time.

Sounds to me like a scam to allow him to keep marrying child brides and add to his collection.

Since you refuse to listen and read, here are the 15 points made in the video. Your ignorance is showing by your statements.

The Book of Mormon’s Incredible Story Worth Contemplating
​

1. At just 23 years of age, with the equivalent of a third-grade education, Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Mormon.
2. His contemporaries described him as unlearned. His wife Emma said that he could neither write nor dictate a coherent or well- worded letter, let alone a book, like the Book of Mormon.
3. There is zero evidence that he had any experience in creative writing, theology, or ancient history. All of the historical
evidence points to him having no library, no notes, no manuscripts.
4. Witnesses consistently testified that he worked with only the plates or his interpreters. The original manuscript shows virtually no cross-outs, edits, or revisions.
5. Unusual for a complex work and remarkably unique from an unlearned farm boy. The Book of Mormon is 531 pages.
6. It was translated in less than 75 working days between April and June of 1829. Witnesses and scribes testified that even after
interruption, Joseph would never ask where they were.
7. He would simply pick up exactly where they left off. The book contains dozens of distinct voices and writing styles, each
consistent throughout their portions of the narrative.
8. Despite jumping between time periods, civilizations, dates, genealogies, and historical details remain internally. The Book of
Mormon contains hundreds of biblical concepts and phrases, yet consistently from a pre-Christian perspective when narrated
before Christ's visit to the Americas.
9. The Book of Mormon also contains complex Hebrew literary forms unknown in Joseph Smith's day, including intricate, chiastic
structures spanning entire chapters.
10. The Book of Mormon also contains hundreds of authentic ancient Near Eastern names that weren't known to scholars until
decades after Joseph Smith's life.
11. Joseph worked with multiple scribes to bring about the Book of Mormon, each testified of the miraculous nature of the
translation process.
12. Eleven men testified they saw and handled the actual metal plates, with three claiming to see an angel and hear God's voice
testifying of his truthfulness.
13. At least seven other unofficial witnesses had experiences with the plates, some involving angelic visitation. Despite
motivations to recant, all witnesses retained their testimonies throughout their lives, even when some became estranged
from Joseph or the church.
14. Remember that the Book of Mormon was translated to the time when public libraries and research materials were Would
not be readily accessible in rural New York.
15. On top of all of this, the translation occurred during an intense period of persecution and financial hardship, hardly
conducive to producing a masterpiece of literature.

This being a remarkable story doesn't necessarily mean that the Book of Mormon has to be true, but it ought to pique your curiosity. If you read the Book of Mormon with the intent to deepen your relationship in Jesus Christ, it will change your life.

 

[Slyhunter]

Since you refuse to listen and read, here are the 15 points made in the video. Your ignorance is showing by your statements.

The Book of Mormon’s Incredible Story Worth Contemplating
​

1. At just 23 years of age, with the equivalent of a third-grade education, Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Mormon.
2. His contemporaries described him as unlearned. His wife Emma said that he could neither write nor dictate a coherent or well- worded letter, let alone a book, like the Book of Mormon.
3. There is zero evidence that he had any experience in creative writing, theology, or ancient history. All of the historical
evidence points to him having no library, no notes, no manuscripts.
4. Witnesses consistently testified that he worked with only the plates or his interpreters. The original manuscript shows virtually no cross-outs, edits, or revisions.
5. Unusual for a complex work and remarkably unique from an unlearned farm boy. The Book of Mormon is 531 pages.
6. It was translated in less than 75 working days between April and June of 1829. Witnesses and scribes testified that even after
interruption, Joseph would never ask where they were.
7. He would simply pick up exactly where they left off. The book contains dozens of distinct voices and writing styles, each
consistent throughout their portions of the narrative.
8. Despite jumping between time periods, civilizations, dates, genealogies, and historical details remain internally. The Book of
Mormon contains hundreds of biblical concepts and phrases, yet consistently from a pre-Christian perspective when narrated
before Christ's visit to the Americas.
9. The Book of Mormon also contains complex Hebrew literary forms unknown in Joseph Smith's day, including intricate, chiastic
structures spanning entire chapters.
10. The Book of Mormon also contains hundreds of authentic ancient Near Eastern names that weren't known to scholars until
decades after Joseph Smith's life.
11. Joseph worked with multiple scribes to bring about the Book of Mormon, each testified of the miraculous nature of the
translation process.
12. Eleven men testified they saw and handled the actual metal plates, with three claiming to see an angel and hear God's voice
testifying of his truthfulness.
13. At least seven other unofficial witnesses had experiences with the plates, some involving angelic visitation. Despite
motivations to recant, all witnesses retained their testimonies throughout their lives, even when some became estranged
from Joseph or the church.
14. Remember that the Book of Mormon was translated to the time when public libraries and research materials were Would
not be readily accessible in rural New York.
15. On top of all of this, the translation occurred during an intense period of persecution and financial hardship, hardly
conducive to producing a masterpiece of literature.

This being a remarkable story doesn't necessarily mean that the Book of Mormon has to be true, but it ought to pique your curiosity. If you read the Book of Mormon with the intent to deepen your relationship in Jesus Christ, it will change your life.

**** the video I read the actual book and Paraphrased what he put in the front of the book prior to reading chapter 1.

My mistake 8 wwitnesses;

And his own words;

Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith

The Prophet Joseph Smith’s own words about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon are:

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

“Having removed the earth, I obtained a lever, which I got fixed under the edge of the stone, and with a little exertion raised it up. I looked in, and there indeed did I behold the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and the breastplate, as stated by the messenger. The box in which they lay was formed by laying stones together in some kind of cement. In the bottom of the box were laid two stones crossways of the box, and on these stones lay the plates and the other things with them.

The plates themselves;

Brief Explanation about the Book of Mormon

The Book of Mormon is a sacred record of peoples in ancient America and was engraved upon metal plates. Sources from which this record was compiled include the following:

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

In or about the year A.D. 421, Moroni, the last of the Nephite prophet-historians, sealed the sacred record and hid it up unto the Lord, to be brought forth in the latter days, as predicted by the voice of God through His ancient prophets. In A.D. 1823, this same Moroni, then a resurrected personage, visited the Prophet Joseph Smith and subsequently delivered the engraved plates to him.

 

[Slyhunter]

BTW How big would the book of Mormon have to be if written on Brass and Gold plates?

 

[Cougarbear]

**** the video I read the actual book and Paraphrased what he put in the front of the book prior to reading chapter 1.

My mistake 8 wwitnesses;
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And his own words;

Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith

The Prophet Joseph Smith’s own words about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon are:

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

The plates themselves;

Brief Explanation about the Book of Mormon

The Book of Mormon is a sacred record of peoples in ancient America and was engraved upon metal plates. Sources from which this record was compiled include the following:

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

You missed the 3 witnesses. You didn't read the book very well. Here is 1 and 2 from my post that apparently you aren't very good in.
1. At just 23 years of age, with the equivalent of a third-grade education, Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Mormon.
2. His contemporaries described him as unlearned. His wife Emma said that he could neither write nor dictate a coherent or well- worded letter, let alone a book, like the Book of Mormon.

The Testimony of Three Witnesses​

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris

You should also know besides these 11 witnesses, Emma and others as well saw the plates and/or the plates covered as well. And, while many of the witnesses later left the Church or were excommunicated, even on their deathbeds, they did not deny what they saw and heard. They were given ample opportunities including money as well to deny what they saw and heard. But, they did not. That's a testament to the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon and that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God in these the latter days. And, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true.
Now, back to the real debate, from the 15 points made, there is no way Joseph Smith could have done this in 75 days without help from God and Heaven. So, please explain the 15 points of the video on why or how Joseph Smith did it? Or, anyone for that matter. And, throwing temper tantrums with expletives doesn't help your cause at all. It actually diminishes it.

 

[leftwinger]

To address this perceived corruption, Mormons rely on additional scriptures—the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—as sources of restored truth.

The Book of Mormon is considered equal in authority to the Bible and serves as a companion witness to Christ.

//* As had I posted, these later created religions like Scientology, LDS are cults. No need for it. Get back to the original hard stuff. Christianity. Nobody told you to revamp it, your way. Someone above tried to calm me wrong, claiming KDS use the Bible KJV. Hogwash when you water it down ewith your own book. No time to go into this. I'm out.*//

 

[Cougarbear]

To address this perceived corruption, Mormons rely on additional scriptures—the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—as sources of restored truth.

The Book of Mormon is considered equal in authority to the Bible and serves as a companion witness to Christ.

//* As had I posted, these later created religions like Scientology, LDS are cults. No need for it. Get back to the original hard stuff. Christianity. Nobody told you to revamp it, your way. Someone above tried to calm me wrong, claiming KDS use the Bible KJV. Hogwash when you water it down ewith your own book. No time to go into this. I'm out.*//

Your cults, Catholic, Baptist, Methodist... are inferior because they are incomplete. That's why there are 40,000 different versions of your cult. Also, there is no authority in a book. A book is a book. It has letters, words, sentences of historical value of God's dealings with mankind from Adam to John the Revelator. The only authority exists in Heaven with the Godhead, Father-Son-Holy Ghost. We use the books to learn how to use the authority of the Godhead to benefit mankind. This authority to exercise the power of the Godhead is given to man from time to time in the form of the Priesthood. The Priesthood then is the power and authority of God given to man to do His work to bring to past the immortality and eternal life of mankind. The Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price are manuals to learn how to righteously use this Priesthood Power of God.

So, how do LDS utilize these canonized scriptural books? The Bible is essentially the blueprint of God's Church and how it should be put together to disseminate the Power and Authority of God beginning with the foundation on Apostles and Prophets with Jesus Christ as the Chief Cornerstone. There are also other authorities like the 70 that Jesus called to go and spread the Gospel. And, other offices in the Priesthood and Church auxiliaries. Bishops, Elders, High Priests, Teachers, Deacons, Priests and so on.

The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. As Jesus said, with two or more witnesses you should go out and testify of him and teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel as much misunderstandings of the Bible have caused 40,000 cults. Together in our hands, we are one nation of Israel as Ezekiel said would happen in these last days.

The Doctrine and Covenants are specific directions for building up the kingdom of God on the earth and in spirit prison as well. They are direct messages from the Lord to His prophets starting with Joseph Smith and currently Dallin H. Oaks. In fact, the oath and covenant of the Priesthood is contained in the Doctrine and Covenants.

The Pearl of Great Price is old revelation and understanding given to ancient patriarchs like Moses and Abraham. Information lost from the Bible. Much is clarified in the stories of those. And, there are new revelations and information we need in our days. New proclamations from God to mankind.

 

[Slyhunter]

You missed the 3 witnesses. You didn't read the book very well. Here is 1 and 2 from my post that apparently you aren't very good in.
1. At just 23 years of age, with the equivalent of a third-grade education, Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Mormon.
2. His contemporaries described him as unlearned. His wife Emma said that he could neither write nor dictate a coherent or well- worded letter, let alone a book, like the Book of Mormon.

The Testimony of Three Witnesses​

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris

You should also know besides these 11 witnesses, Emma and others as well saw the plates and/or the plates covered as well. And, while many of the witnesses later left the Church or were excommunicated, even on their deathbeds, they did not deny what they saw and heard. They were given ample opportunities including money as well to deny what they saw and heard. But, they did not. That's a testament to the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon and that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God in these the latter days. And, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true.
Now, back to the real debate, from the 15 points made, there is no way Joseph Smith could have done this in 75 days without help from God and Heaven. So, please explain the 15 points of the video on why or how Joseph Smith did it? Or, anyone for that matter. And, throwing temper tantrums with expletives doesn't help your cause at all. It actually diminishes it.

I ignored the 3 because already had 8. No need to go into unnecessary detail.
3rd grade education how could he read much less write the book of Mormon. He couldn't.

 

[Cougarbear]

I ignored the 3 because already had 8. No need to go into unnecessary detail.
3rd grade education how could he read much less write the book of Mormon. He couldn't.

The three are more special than the 8. And they were the first to see and hold the plates. These three saw the angel and heard the angel speak and the Lord speak to them. Their testimony is also much more powerful. You would know this if you were not a liar and actually read these two testimonies.
And, you answered the question. Joseph Smith didn’t “translate” like we think of translation today. Instead, with the seer stones of the Urim and Thumum he was told what was written on each leaf of gold and brass. That’s why it took only 75 actual days to translate them. Incredible!!!

 

[Slyhunter]

The three are more special than the 8. And they were the first to see and hold the plates. These three saw the angel and heard the angel speak and the Lord speak to them. Their testimony is also much more powerful. You would know this if you were not a liar and actually read these two testimonies.
And, you answered the question. Joseph Smith didn’t “translate” like we think of translation today. Instead, with the seer stones of the Urim and Thumum he was told what was written on each leaf of gold and brass. That’s why it took only 75 actual days to translate them. Incredible!!!

Incredible isn't the word I would use.